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Post by mrbarnaby on May 29, 2024 16:55:04 GMT
It’s happening.
Announcement imminent
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2024 16:56:55 GMT
It’s happening. Announcement imminent Didn't it get mixed at best reviews in Hamburg, hopefully Disney are making changes. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 29, 2024 17:09:18 GMT
That's a very big house for a show that may well not have universal appeal.
It is one of my favourite Disney films with some fantastic music.
But it has always been a bit more divisive than other Disney films of the same era.
I wish we had had a big scale Hunchback but that isn't going to happen now!
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Post by anthony40 on May 29, 2024 17:12:06 GMT
I wish we had had a big scale Hunchback but that isn't going to happen now! Oh My God! Yes! |
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Post by showtoones on May 29, 2024 17:22:19 GMT
Mr B - what are the dates? Thank you for always having your finger on the pulse for us...
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Post by blamerobots on May 29, 2024 17:28:17 GMT
After the reception and sales in Hamburg... 
Get out van Hove, this is the true risk-taking theatre venture...
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Post by AddisonMizner on May 29, 2024 18:01:26 GMT
Love the score, so will be booking for this. Very exciting’
I would also have loved HUNCHBACK even more though. Perhaps the greatest score for a Disney film ever written, and the recording of the stage production sounds divine!
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2024 18:12:13 GMT
After the reception and sales in Hamburg...
Get out van Hove, this is the true risk-taking theatre venture... Yeah, Disney aren't touching van Hove with a barge pole. Hunchback is a hard sell with its tragic ending and general darkness, it would be a great show for the National Theatre to do. |
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Post by SuttonPeron on May 29, 2024 18:30:01 GMT
Knowing how lackluster the production is, how butchered up the songs are and how expensive it´ll most likely be; I won´t go see this.
Disney isn´t what it once was.
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Post by mattnyc on May 29, 2024 18:45:15 GMT
Curious how much this has changed since it was here in the states where it was one of the messiest, most boring disasters I’d seen in years.
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Post by danb on May 29, 2024 18:49:42 GMT
It’s not really the most loved Disney property is it? To close ‘Frozen’ for this seems bonkers.
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Post by blamerobots on May 29, 2024 18:51:22 GMT
I wonder if the Hamburg production will close and they will bring the technical side (sets/costumes) over to TRDL rather than having to redo. That's surely their plan... though it entirely depends when this opens. The Hamburg production is booking until January 5th, 2025, unless they suddenly close early... So this could be one for late January 2025 at TRDL.
That leaves a gap between mid-September and late-December, which I believe Elf is rumoured to fill. I do seriously wonder how well this will go down though. Hercules in Hamburg is just... not selling. To run a show that has been trying to get off the ground for about 5 or so years now, a show that has yet to hit at all, at one of the biggest theatres in London... seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2024 18:53:31 GMT
Sometimes reworking further can work. Aladdin in Toronto wasn't clicking but when they went to Broadway the show was different with the Genie front and centre and not the sidekicks. Jasmine got a new song as well even though I did like Call Me a Princess.
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Post by viserys on May 29, 2024 19:07:59 GMT
I wonder if the Hamburg production will close and they will bring the technical side (sets/costumes) over to TRDL rather than having to redo. That's surely their plan... though it entirely depends when this opens. The Hamburg production is booking until January 5th, 2025, unless they suddenly close early... So this could be one for late January 2025 at TRDL. It won't close then. Stage Entertainment lets badly selling shows drag on for much longer. They are opening &Juliet in October and MJ in December - they can't open three shows in short succession because there's no market for that and they wouldn't have anything "ready" to go in. Unless they bring Mamma mia back for the umpteenth time. I guess that Disney just doesn't have anything else ready to go into the theatre. The new Aida was also a commercial failure in the Netherlands. |
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Post by blamerobots on May 29, 2024 19:24:07 GMT
That's surely their plan... though it entirely depends when this opens. The Hamburg production is booking until January 5th, 2025, unless they suddenly close early... So this could be one for late January 2025 at TRDL. I guess that Disney just doesn't have anything else ready to go into the theatre. The new Aida was also a commercial failure in the Netherlands. I agree; to me it seems like more of an opportunistic transfer in the sense of "we have this space so let's give it a go." It seems wild they'd shutter Frozen which is still selling somewhat reliably for this though. Especially approaching Christmas..? |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 29, 2024 19:24:57 GMT
As a German posters said on here that German theatre relies on spectacle, which I took as a pinch of salt at the time, but seeing as the most popular musical in the world failed in Hamburg, that being Hamilton, I can see what that poster now means. So Germany shouldn't be used as a barometer of what will succeed in the wild West End.
Know one better than Disney to find cracks in a show and then repair them, which I expect Disney to do before it comes to London
So now with Hercules along with Prada, 2 musicals that are opening in the next year, but also had very tepid reviews elsewhere, so what to say than other - than bring it on, I'm actually looking forward to seeing both shows and see it as very refreshing that we are getting 2 shows that aren't actual jukebox.
So will this be the next Aladdin or Prince of Egypt?
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Post by viserys on May 29, 2024 19:41:36 GMT
as the most popular musical in the world failed in Hamburg I might have been that German; however I disagree on Hamilton being "the most popular musical in the world" - that would certainly be Les Miz or Phantom or Lion King or somesuch juggernaut. Hamilton has hardly ever been done outside the USA, presumably because most producers know it wouldn't work in their countries due to lack of interest. All things considered Hamilton did do decently in Hamburg. The failure came through the usual Stage Entertaiment refusal to fill seats through really good discounts. Hamilton was a show that would have attracted a younger audience and that audience can't afford the tickets. And many people would have been "mildly curious" but that isn't enough to pay 100-150 Euro. At 40-50 Euro, they would have lured many more over the threshold. I fear &Juliet will suffer the same fate, especially when the much better known IP of "MJ" hoovers up the audience. But Hercules shows that the German audience doesn't just go for spectacle for spectacle's sake. They do notice quality (or lack thereof). Old stuff like Lion King and Starlight Express is still selling well simply because it's good and by now a known quantity. |
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Post by SuttonPeron on May 29, 2024 20:04:10 GMT
As if the West End didn´t love "spectacle" as well...
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 29, 2024 20:18:38 GMT
Frozen flopped on broadway, they reworked it a bit and was a hit here. The same could well happen to Hercules.
It has a lot of love and is one of those disney films that may have not been a massive hit on release, but a lot of people discovered it through vhs/dvd/disney channel and is definitely a millennial favourite, especially amongst disney fans.
From the clips the German production showed potential and definitely better than the papermill version. The German production doesn't look like a spectacle though
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2024 20:20:33 GMT
Frozen flopped on broadway, they reworked it a bit and was a hit here. The same could well happen to Hercules. It has a lot of love and is one of those disney films that may have not been a massive hit on release, but a lot of people discovered it through vhs/dvd/disney channel and is definitely a millennial favourite, especially amongst disney fans. From the clips the German production showed potential and definitely better than the papermill version. Frozen didn't really flop on Broadway, Disney Theatrical made a decision to close it and transfer most of the assets to the West End production so it ended up costing a lot less. |
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Post by theatrefan62 on May 29, 2024 20:29:21 GMT
Frozen flopped on broadway, they reworked it a bit and was a hit here. The same could well happen to Hercules. It has a lot of love and is one of those disney films that may have not been a massive hit on release, but a lot of people discovered it through vhs/dvd/disney channel and is definitely a millennial favourite, especially amongst disney fans. From the clips the German production showed potential and definitely better than the papermill version. Frozen didn't really flop on Broadway, Disney Theatrical made a decision to close it and transfer most of the assets to the West End production so it ended up costing a lot less. It was struggling long before covid hit and the shutdown. It was a flop. Disney expected it to run much longer, especially with the second movie coming out at the same time. |
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Post by blamerobots on May 29, 2024 20:38:36 GMT
I wonder who they're gonna stunt cast in these roles to rope in some extra tickets. We're banking on Jason Donovan for Hades guys, who's with me  |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 29, 2024 20:50:43 GMT
as the most popular musical in the world failed in Hamburg I might have been that German; however I disagree on Hamilton being "the most popular musical in the world" - that would certainly be Les Miz or Phantom or Lion King or somesuch juggernaut. Hamilton has hardly ever been done outside the USA, presumably because most producers know it wouldn't work in their countries due to lack of interest. All things considered Hamilton did do decently in Hamburg. The failure came through the usual Stage Entertaiment refusal to fill seats through really good discounts. Hamilton was a show that would have attracted a younger audience and that audience can't afford the tickets. And many people would have been "mildly curious" but that isn't enough to pay 100-150 Euro. At 40-50 Euro, they would have lured many more over the threshold. I fear &Juliet will suffer the same fate, especially when the much better known IP of "MJ" hoovers up the audience. But Hercules shows that the German audience doesn't just go for spectacle for spectacle's sake. They do notice quality (or lack thereof). Old stuff like Lion King and Starlight Express is still selling well simply because it's good and by now a known quantity. Oh I didn't want to name anyone, but if it was you, it was a complete backhanded compliment. Hamilton limped to a year and didn't move to a different city. I take it stage entertainment don't do dynamic pricing? I would guess they're the German/Dutch equivalent of ATG? |
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Post by amyja89 on May 29, 2024 21:21:16 GMT
Maybe I’m blinkered on this but I would say that the Hercules movie is pretty much universally beloved by people my age, that being mid-30s 90’s kids who now have disposable income. I know virtually nothing of the stage version, but I’d certainly book and I think most of my friends would too just out of pure nostalgia.
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Post by blamerobots on May 29, 2024 21:47:38 GMT
Maybe I’m blinkered on this but I would say that the Hercules movie is pretty much universally beloved by people my age, that being mid-30s 90’s kids who now have disposable income. I know virtually nothing of the stage version, but I’d certainly book and I think most of my friends would too just out of pure nostalgia. That's what they're banking on. That's the audience here. Kids of today and their parents though... 2,000+ seats is still a lot to sell. Whatever show is in Drury Lane will be fighting that battle. |
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