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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 7:40:53 GMT
Just listened to the soundtrack. The amount of autotune on Emma's vocals is honestly a disgrace. To be fair, she's not known for her singing. Let's not be too fair. There are plenty of actresses with the right look for the part who could sing it without autotune. |
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Post by ali973 on Mar 10, 2017 8:00:59 GMT
She's horrible. Her "natural speak-singing" is just unlistenable. Can anyone also enlighten me why Emma Watson is a thing? I don't mind her activism and do appreciate her stance, but as an actress? She's like the epitome of plain.
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Post by Stasia on Mar 10, 2017 8:19:30 GMT
News from Russia on "gay moment"^ they created a special group to investigate if there are enough gay propaganda moments to ban this from our country completely. The group said "it's fine", but they gave the movie 16+ rating anyway.
I wonder how many people wouldn't find that "2 man dancing" scene "exquisitely gay" if it was not announced like that? We have lots of WW2 films where 2 girls dance with each other as there are no man to dance with but everyone is totally fine with that.
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Post by ali973 on Mar 10, 2017 10:18:00 GMT
I wonder how many people wouldn't find that "2 man dancing" scene "exquisitely gay" if it was not announced like that? We have lots of WW2 films where 2 girls dance with each other as there are no man to dance with but everyone is totally fine with that. This is exactly what I feel. Disney giving itself more credit than it deserves by claiming this to be the best thing that happened to gay politics since the equal marriage act. Really, no one would have noticed or cared if it wasn't for their own publicity. |
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Post by kathryn on Mar 10, 2017 10:26:27 GMT
She's horrible. Her "natural speak-singing" is just unlistenable. Can anyone also enlighten me why Emma Watson is a thing? I don't mind her activism and do appreciate her stance, but as an actress? She's like the epitome of plain. She's been good in a couple of post-Potter films - The Bling Ring and The Perks of Being a Wallflower spring to mind. I recall Evans talking about his audition for this film, saying that the producers had huge smiles of relief when they realised he could really properly sing the part, as it seemed a lot of the actors they'd seen couldn't. I suspect the casting process was always star-led rather than being about finding the people who could really sing the roles. |
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Post by ali973 on Mar 10, 2017 10:49:41 GMT
I saw her The Bling Ring..she was fine, but again, anyone could have been fine, no? I'm just saying that she is really below special.
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 10, 2017 10:54:42 GMT
Just listened to the soundtrack. The amount of autotune on Emma's vocals is honestly a disgrace. I think the fact that they let her sing in a film of this stature is a disgrace. She is not up to it. Period. Choices like these will make the film forgettable, just like Russel Crowe and Hugh Jackman in Les Mis. Just not worth watching/sitting through again. It's time for a change in the movie musical world. There is a reason why the Sound of Music is still popular, and it's not because of Julie Andrews' speak bleating. It baffles me that directors see this as "natural speak-singing", while it is as unnatural as you can get. The definition of this artform is not speaking 4 words and use vibrato on the fifth. This constant switching makes it fake, not real. Real emotion lies in the opposite in this artform, where a note is an actor itself. The casting process for films like these should be much, much more extensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 11:07:58 GMT
I'd hazard a guess that one of the reasons they chose her is the weight of the Harry Potter machine and its fans who will flock to the film to see her. Also, I guess they like the idea that one of Disney's more spunky princesses is played by someone who is seen as a positive role model for young women.
Plus, she kind of looks like Belle.
I suspect whether she could sing or not was fairly far down the list of criteria. The fact that they can manipulate her vocals as much as they have proves that. And to be fair to her, at least the vocals are her own (sort of). They could have got someone else to sing it instead.
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Post by kathryn on Mar 10, 2017 11:36:16 GMT
I think at some point we have to acknowledge that we're not the target audience for this film. It's likely that the youngsters who are its target audience are so used to hearing autotuned singing in pop music that they'll barely notice it here.
I mean, for years Hollywood got away with dubbing better singers over actors in films, and hardly anyone ever noticed - even when it meant that stars' supposed singing voices varied wildly from film to film.
Suspension of disbelief really can work wonders - if you've managed to make the audience want to go along for the ride they'll overlook all sorts of things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 11:56:28 GMT
Just listened to the soundtrack. The amount of autotune on Emma's vocals is honestly a disgrace. To be fair, she's not known for her singing. If you don't mind me asking, what is the rest of the soundtrack sounding? Gaston is very good, Luke and Josh do well with it. The tiny bits of Audra we get are like finding a pool of water in a desert, such a relief. Be Our Guest isn't bad. I've heard much criticism of Ewan's accent but it didn't bother me and his singing is strong enough. I like Dan Stevens' voice on his new solo Evermore but it sounds very strange elsewhere, particularly on Something More. I really don't like Emma Thompson's version of Beauty and the Beast. Her accent is very odd and it has none of the magic or timelessness of Angela Lansbury's version. But the real issue here is Emma Watson. I can deal with Russell Crowe singing Stars. I can deal with Ryan Gosling singing A Lovely Night. But I can't deal with processing someone's voice so much that it honestly sounds more like I'm listening to a robot than a human being. I haven't heard autotune this obvious since Rebecca Black's Friday. It's hideous and if they insisted on hiring Emma (even though she's no great actress), then she should have at least been dubbed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 11:57:36 GMT
I think at some point we have to acknowledge that we're not the target audience for this film. It's likely that the youngsters who are its target audience are so used to hearing autotuned singing in pop music that they'll barely notice it here. I listen to a fair amount of pop music. The autotune here is far, far more apparent. Emma sounds more like Siri than Katy Perry. |
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Post by potomusicalfan on Mar 10, 2017 12:48:12 GMT
Ewan McGregor was a surprise! Evermore was fantastic, and deserves to win the Oscar next year. Did not know that Dan Stevens had such a beautiful baritone voice. I hope we get to hear a version of him singing it without the vocal modifications. Josh Groban actually paled in comparison for me.
I was really hoping that the Emma Thompson version of BATB would be magical, but it wasn't. Then again, we are comparing her with the legendary Angela Lansbury, which is unfair to do. She seemed to be singing to a different track/time signature from a little before the middle until the end. It will make sense during the film I think, because it is probably so that Belle and the Beast can waltz to it. The orchestrations were beautiful, but again I prefer the 1991 version where the song was just straight without the little 'flourishes' (I know not the technical term for it). Again I am guessing these were added to give them more dancing time.
Emma T was great during Be Our Guest. The BATB reprise was beautiful, and the new lyrics were well suited (except the bit about nature pointing the way??)
Agree with the other posters about Emma Watson. She is clearly not a singer, but the level of autotune was very distracting ... she surely would have been able to carry a tune. The only part she sounded normal was the first bit of Something There.
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Post by johartuk on Mar 10, 2017 13:52:55 GMT
I saw her The Bling Ring..she was fine, but again, anyone could have been fine, no? I'm just saying that she is really below special. I've never really understood her appeal beyond the Harry Potter films. She really is ordinary and, dare I say it, bland. It doesn't help that whenever she's interviewed, she's so serious, 'worthy' and up her own bottom. Sort of like a more intellectual version of Gwyneth Paltrow! |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 10, 2017 14:49:16 GMT
Well, Harry Potter is something absolutely magical for people born in the 1990s and becoming a sort of feminist icon after the series was over made her fans stick around her even if her career hasn't been that great since the end of HP. Her huge success is due to her personality rather than to her actual performances, her fans love her for what she says not necessarily for what she does on screen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 17:41:25 GMT
From what I have heard, Audra is in the very first scene and is the very last shot of the film... musical theatre always prevails!  |
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Post by Musicality21 on Mar 10, 2017 18:56:50 GMT
Just started listening to this - couldn't decide whether I wanted to wait until I saw the film but curiosity got the better of me. I love the overture but I'm already getting irritated by the auto tune sound and I'm not even half way through 'Belle.' However the rest of the cast sound very promising.
One thing I could kick myself for is not realising there was a deluxe edition with an extra disc of what I think is orchestral music? Would be interested to know if it's worth it for the extra music?
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Post by steve10086 on Mar 10, 2017 19:59:36 GMT
I love the new "Be Our Guest" - a number of changes to the music, but if it was exactly the same there'd be no point! The music sounds glorious. And thankfully Belle isn't in that song!
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Post by steve10086 on Mar 10, 2017 20:37:51 GMT
One thing I could kick myself for is not realising there was a deluxe edition with an extra disc of what I think is orchestral music? Would be interested to know if it's worth it for the extra music? Definitely! The music sounds amazing, and whatever anyone thinks of the casting (or even the need to remake in the first place) this new score is fantastic. The second disc is really worth getting. |
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Post by Musicality21 on Mar 10, 2017 22:37:04 GMT
One thing I could kick myself for is not realising there was a deluxe edition with an extra disc of what I think is orchestral music? Would be interested to know if it's worth it for the extra music? Definitely! The music sounds amazing, and whatever anyone thinks of the casting (or even the need to remake in the first place) this new score is fantastic. The second disc is really worth getting. Great thank you! I think I'm going to treat myself and get it. Just annoyed that I didn't realise before I bought the standard version. I've got to say that now I've listened to the whole thing I'm really looking forward to the film. Disappointed with Emma's voice, but Dan Stevens has really impressed me with 'Evermore.' It's one track that I can't stop listening to and dare I say I prefer his version to Josh Groban's. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 10:43:16 GMT
Well Dan Stevens. Where did that voice come from? I was NOT expecting that!!
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 15, 2017 19:08:26 GMT
I think at some point we have to acknowledge that we're not the target audience for this film. It's likely that the youngsters who are its target audience are so used to hearing autotuned singing in pop music that they'll barely notice it here. I mean, for years Hollywood got away with dubbing better singers over actors in films, and hardly anyone ever noticed - even when it meant that stars' supposed singing voices varied wildly from film to film. Suspension of disbelief really can work wonders - if you've managed to make the audience want to go along for the ride they'll overlook all sorts of things. That's 2 great points you make there. I really think that the new generation is so used to autotuned/lame singing and are rarely exposed to real quality singing that they don't even recognize the truthful/legit/passion/emotional style of singing of, lets's say a Lea Salonga in "A Whole New World". I think that young people's vision of beauty is formed by what they are exposed to in their youth. If you are never exposed to quality your standard gets lowererd too and you are more easily impressed by moderate quality. I see this everywhere, from the reaction to youtube video's, to candidates in the voice with their delusion of what singing is, to the crap they listen to, to their surprised remarks of being impressed when they hear a soprano sing while her notes actually fail. And your second point, yes, movie making is about make believe. I don't care if you need 3 people to create 1 perfect character. They have done it for years, why should ego suddenly get in the way? The only thing I want to see when Belle is sitting on that fountain singing about how amazing it is, is a girl, full of life, lost in her dreams, with soaring notes, full of nuances, building up, clarity and passion. Not some sack of potatoes chirping some straight, lifeless, spoken robotic note. Especially with this material where it is all about the language of singing, sung thoughts, a non-literal language, make believe, audiences can overlook all sorts of things, as long as they work. |
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Post by kathryn on Mar 16, 2017 10:14:25 GMT
The Crosswalk version is hilarious.
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Post by musicalfloozie on Mar 16, 2017 12:04:16 GMT
^ I absolutely love this, the promotional stuff the guys have done has made me excited about this film. I'm just still have problems with Emma cast as Belle as in my head its not working but I'm hoping to be proven wrong.
I cannot wait to see this.
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Post by westendcub on Mar 16, 2017 13:22:41 GMT
The Crosswalk version is hilarious. Oh that was absolutely brilliant..I want to star in a crosswalk musical!!! |
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