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Post by vickyg on Aug 23, 2023 10:10:13 GMT
I'm very confused by the early reviews. Even the Standard which gave 4* had a pretty negative take until the last line or two. Hopefully they pick up but The Guardian is a big one...
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Post by Jon on Aug 23, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
These reviews so far are not what they will have wanted… or needed for a transfer But it has what most other shows don’t - a built in fan base. If a show like “Heathers” can run for years at various theatres, I’m sure this one could have a successful run, as well. I'm not sure N2N attracts the same sort of demo as Heathers... |
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Post by mattnyc on Aug 23, 2023 10:17:40 GMT
But it has what most other shows don’t - a built in fan base. If a show like “Heathers” can run for years at various theatres, I’m sure this one could have a successful run, as well. I'm not sure N2N attracts the same sort of demo as Heathers... Just going by the hardcore fanbase the show got on Broadway, they were very much the same. But even if they are different, there’s still already a lot of love for the show from ticket buyers. Just saying that’s potential WE run has more going for it than a lot of other shows that open cold. |
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Post by shownut on Aug 23, 2023 10:58:38 GMT
I'm very confused by the early reviews. Even the Standard which gave 4* had a pretty negative take until the last line or two. Hopefully they pick up but The Guardian is a big one... In truth, I don't expect much from the London critics. Most of them have little time for edgy musical theatre, especially any show that is American-based. Unless it is full of belly-laughs and has a score you can clap along to at the finale, they more or less sit on their hands and give it tepid praise at best. They will likely review N2N the same as DEAR EVAN HANSEN and A STRANGE LOOP. A few will see the brilliance in it but most will give it a 'meh' with little to praise outside of the performances. |
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Post by Rory on Aug 23, 2023 11:07:44 GMT
3* The Times
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Post by drmaplewood on Aug 23, 2023 11:09:20 GMT
I was there last night and think the Time Out review is pretty bang-on - its a great production of a 3* musical for me.
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Aug 23, 2023 11:45:15 GMT
wouldn't be the first time the critics have disagreed with the theatreboard consensus!
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Post by Being Alive on Aug 23, 2023 12:04:53 GMT
Tammy Faye showed that shows don't have to get raves across the board to win performance awards, but I think they'll definitely have hampered it's chances of winning best musical
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Post by Jon on Aug 23, 2023 12:18:20 GMT
I know transfers always a hope for theatres but I think we need to stop seeing them as a barometer for success or failure.
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Post by Rory on Aug 23, 2023 12:46:31 GMT
I know transfers always a hope for theatres but I think we need to stop seeing them as a barometer for success or failure. You can't beat the buzz of a good transfer announcement! |
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Post by Rory on Aug 23, 2023 13:14:49 GMT
4* Telegraph.
This would still do really well if it transferred for 12 - 14 weeks.
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Post by Jon on Aug 23, 2023 13:20:01 GMT
I know transfers always a hope for theatres but I think we need to stop seeing them as a barometer for success or failure. You can't beat the buzz of a good transfer announcement! True but not every show will transfer even if it's acclaimed and to me, these shows at smaller venues like the Donmar are not meant to be West End try outs and it's not a failure on the theatre's part if a show doesn't transfer. |
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Post by Rory on Aug 23, 2023 13:25:47 GMT
True, hundreds of brilliant shows never transferred when they could / should have (one example is Fun Home at the Young Vic).
However, it's undeniably nice to have a big commercial hit and the chance to bring a great show to a much wider audience.
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Post by apubleed on Aug 23, 2023 13:54:00 GMT
Trying not to get too angry at some of these 'critics'.
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Post by shambles on Aug 23, 2023 14:10:18 GMT
I'm very confused by the early reviews. Even the Standard which gave 4* had a pretty negative take until the last line or two. Hopefully they pick up but The Guardian is a big one... In truth, I don't expect much from the London critics. Most of them have little time for edgy musical theatre, especially any show that is American-based. Unless it is full of belly-laughs and has a score you can clap along to at the finale, they more or less sit on their hands and give it tepid praise at best. They will likely review N2N the same as DEAR EVAN HANSEN and A STRANGE LOOP. A few will see the brilliance in it but most will give it a 'meh' with little to praise outside of the performances. You consider Evan Hansen as an edgy musical? The reviews provide some very cogent arguments about things they dislike. Oklahama has been glowingly received by the critics, and that has genuine edge. Live performance makes up for a lot of things, but I suspect that were they to make a movie out of this, the shortfalls of the material would make themselves evident, and would be received similarly to the Evan Hansen movie, perhaps without the mockery of the lead performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 14:11:14 GMT
Surely a lot of the chances of a transfer would depend on the demand for tickets. This has been sold out for a while I thought but a fanbase wanting to see a show for a limited run in a 250 seat theatre is different to a transfer to a much larger playhouse for a longer run.
But if you are attracting a lot of top names like Cassie surely they would be looking at a possible transfer down the line as they are in the profession and a transfer in a lead role would be a lucrative carrot compared to the salary for playing a smaller venue like the Donmar. Unless the performers are more interested in the quality of the role thinking it may lead to nominations and in turn more lucrative roles almost like the top actor doing a villan turn in an action film and then going back to shakesperian stage roles theory.
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Post by toomasj on Aug 23, 2023 15:34:11 GMT
This transfer is already signed. It’s definitely happening regardless of middling reviews. The big question is Caissie.
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Post by steven22 on Aug 23, 2023 16:05:54 GMT
This transfer is already signed. It’s definitely happening regardless of middling reviews. The big question is Caissie. When? Where? |
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Post by capybara on Aug 23, 2023 16:22:43 GMT
What’s the running time for this? Seeing it tomorrow.
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Post by shownut on Aug 23, 2023 16:29:37 GMT
In truth, I don't expect much from the London critics. Most of them have little time for edgy musical theatre, especially any show that is American-based. Unless it is full of belly-laughs and has a score you can clap along to at the finale, they more or less sit on their hands and give it tepid praise at best. They will likely review N2N the same as DEAR EVAN HANSEN and A STRANGE LOOP. A few will see the brilliance in it but most will give it a 'meh' with little to praise outside of the performances. You consider Evan Hansen as an edgy musical? The reviews provide some very cogent arguments about things they dislike. Oklahama has been glowingly received by the critics, and that has genuine edge. Live performance makes up for a lot of things, but I suspect that were they to make a movie out of this, the shortfalls of the material would make themselves evident, and would be received similarly to the Evan Hansen movie, perhaps without the mockery of the lead performance. Actually, I do consider DEH slightly edgy given its themes of suicide and mental health issues. I am probably not alone in that. OKLAHOMA, is not a new musical. It is a revival. Edgy? Definitely. But it is a show any worthy critic of musicals will already know coming in so that doesn't quite count. And I can recall few London revivals from 'The Golden Age' that didn't have critics falling over themselves (at least not since KISMET with Michael Ball got well deserved pans across most of the board). I actually think as a movie it would be even better (with the right director) as the medium allows the story to unfold and/or illustrate minute details that aren't always possible onstage. You can accomplish visually several things at the same time which in a live production might look baffling. The recent TICK TICK BOOM with Andrew Garfield is a prime example of that. |
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Post by toomasj on Aug 23, 2023 16:38:56 GMT
This transfer is already signed. It’s definitely happening regardless of middling reviews. The big question is Caissie. When? Where? Spring/Summer 2024, I haven’t worked out which venue it will be yet and my friend wasn’t sure. Everything I know posted a few pages back, but they’ve never been wrong before. And are close to the show. |
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Post by robsonlm on Aug 23, 2023 18:16:10 GMT
What’s the running time for this? Seeing it tomorrow. 2 hours and 25 mins including interval |
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Post by Rory on Aug 23, 2023 18:22:09 GMT
Spring/Summer 2024, I haven’t worked out which venue it will be yet and my friend wasn’t sure. Everything I know posted a few pages back, but they’ve never been wrong before. And are close to the show. I have no knowledge whatsoever but I could see this at the Harold Pinter |
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Post by toomasj on Aug 23, 2023 18:23:01 GMT
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Post by mrbarnaby on Aug 23, 2023 20:04:12 GMT
This transfer is already signed. It’s definitely happening regardless of middling reviews. The big question is Caissie. This isn’t true. Sorry. Check your sources again. |
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