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Post by Jon on Aug 12, 2022 18:17:12 GMT
People defending B&B and blaming the people who created Bridgerton is quite incredible. B&B have no rights over bridgerton, it's never been their property. Saying those who did create it and own the rights are jealous is so misjudged and disrespectful. Any creatives who see someone else take their creation and use it to boost their career and profit off of would be annoyed. B&B knew what they were doing, they could have written a show about anything but chose the biggest tv show in the world. They could have left it as a fun tiktok thing, but no they chose to go bigger and bigger. It also shows a real lack of understanding of copyright law as well. Shonda Rhimes is an award winning producer, she knows her stuff. |
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Post by ceebee on Aug 12, 2022 18:38:31 GMT
The duos silence is deafening. Someone must be advising them not to comment. I’m not sure that’s good advice. I mean, don’t say anything incriminating but after putting it about relentlessly on SM for the last year just going off-grid like this makes them look guilty AF "Guilty AF - the musical" The stolen story of a stolen story, played out through social media in period costume, with a 'Cabaret' style German sub-plot. Anybody want to collaborate? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 19:07:06 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look.
IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 12, 2022 19:22:12 GMT
Someone must be advising them not to comment. I’m not sure that’s good advice. I mean, don’t say anything incriminating but after putting it about relentlessly on SM for the last year just going off-grid like this makes them look guilty AF "Guilty AF - the musical" The stolen story of a stolen story, played out through social media in period costume, with a 'Cabaret' style German sub-plot. Anybody want to collaborate? I’ll be needing a seat in the stalls for under £100. Hope that’s ok! |
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Post by Jon on Aug 12, 2022 19:27:12 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. Copyright infringement is quite common in the music industry, look at how many songs use samples without the original artists' permission only for them to be credited and get royalties once it becomes a success, |
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Post by stagebyte on Aug 12, 2022 19:35:07 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. ALW’s Cinderella might get it by default 😂 That’d be a turn up for the books |
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Post by austink on Aug 12, 2022 19:41:33 GMT
This isn’t sampling. The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. Copyright infringement is quite common in the music industry, look at how many songs use samples without the original artists' permission only for them to be credited and get royalties once it becomes a success, |
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Post by og on Aug 12, 2022 19:49:56 GMT
The should also have the Grammy taken away from them. A respected creative industry award committee rewarding IP infringement is really not a good look. IP infringement happens all the time (just look on Etsy) but it's time people learned that you can't just steal other people's ideas and creations to profit off of. Copyright infringement is quite common in the music industry, look at how many songs use samples without the original artists' permission only for them to be credited and get royalties once it becomes a success, Also, there is quite a distinct difference between sampling 0.5-20 seconds of a song for another piece of material and writing, performing and marketing an entire musical that extrapolates and capitalises on someone else's material. Beyonce removed the Milkshake sample from her very recent track 'Energy' pretty quickly after criticism for not having cleared it. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 12, 2022 20:36:22 GMT
I certainly hope no one connected to Barlow and Bear is on a forum publicly denigrating Shonda as ego—driven trash having a tantrum and implying her career is a failure by comparison to two girls who went viral. In terms of copyright. Lots of shows esp student or fringe play fast and loose with copyrighted material in terms of homaging or taking things from pop culture as a starting point and they don’t get sued. There are shows on the Fringe this year using the name and elements from Batman, Ben Hur, David Attenborough’s Life on Earth, Eastenders, George Michael songs, the list goes on. That’s not what the Bridgerton Musical does which is more or less a direct adaptation. They really have pushed it in assuming Netflix wouldn’t sue over something both so direct and so commercial. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 23:40:16 GMT
I certainly hope no one connected to Barlow and Bear is on a forum publicly denigrating Shonda as ego—driven trash having a tantrum and implying her career is a failure by comparison to two girls who went viral. In terms of copyright. Lots of shows esp student or fringe play fast and loose with copyrighted material in terms of homaging or taking things from pop culture as a starting point and they don’t get sued. There are shows on the Fringe this year using the name and elements from Batman, Ben Hur, David Attenborough’s Life on Earth, Eastenders, George Michael songs, the list goes on. That’s not what the Bridgerton Musical does which is more or less a direct adaptation. They really have pushed it in assuming Netflix wouldn’t sue over something both so direct and so commercial. I nowhere said...that she is trash...she sells trash...at least with the Bridgerton Experiences. I nowhere said that her carrer is a failure...but her Bridgerton series did not win anything so far...so the lawsuit is in a kind of begging for an award „You gave this these teen brats an award...what about me“ And if you read the lawsuit it just jumps in the eye....a self-confident person would have acted differently. So yes...the lawsuit seems to be tantrum driven...at least for me. I would be laughing so hard if Ellen Mirojnick would get her Emmy this year...as she supports Barlow & Bear... even used their music for last years promo trailer for the Emmys. (she was also nominated last year) Btw. the likes and applauding comments by Chris van Dusen and her about the concerts are still there..so they kind of show the middle finger to Shonda Rimes on social media. BurlyBeaR you are correct ...the silence is a catastrophe.. |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 12, 2022 23:48:25 GMT
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Post by inthenose on Aug 12, 2022 23:51:27 GMT
If this were indeed astroturfing, it would be some of the clumsiest and worst I’ve ever seen. Viral marketing is about promoting a brand in a positive light.
That said, they aren’t being paid for this nonsense, they are just a superfan. Their profile, with the same username, on the Emily Bear forum shows them to be a very “devoted” fan since 2020.
I can accept this, it’s an Oliver situation when it comes to ALW. They’re defending their hero regardless of facts or the tide of popular opinion “. Good for them.
It’s still absolutely biased, ignorant of the facts rubbish of course.
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Post by Seriously on Aug 13, 2022 0:08:18 GMT
I'm amazed that the various producers they have working for B&B didn't ask if they had the rights. It's always the first question I ask when approached about a project based on someone else's work.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 13, 2022 0:46:45 GMT
I am not ignoring facts..music by Barlow & Bear http://instagr.am/p/CSZflUGH2sz So in a way Shonda Rimes is isolated in her own... Bte. I just had to google astroturfing...and laughed...no really not... but seeing all the Netflix/Shonda Rimes bots suddenly appear... If Barlow & Bear made a mistake...they have to pay...no doubt... Seriously this is the reason why I have doubts about the lawsuit...it does not add up...Barlow&Bear, their experienced lawyers, their experienced agents, the Kennedy Center, the Royal Albert Hall, the BBC Concert Orchestra,,, etc. etc. literally no one shall have checked anything in all the time. And knowing that at least Emily Bear...always followed the rules, extra careful...that she should suddenly, her lawyers should suddenly act like total fools...with a big company like Netflix... makes absolutely no sense, It is not about being a fan.,,I am a strictly logical thinking person The lawsuit just does not make sense. I may be wrong...if...I will be the first to acknowledge, |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Aug 13, 2022 1:13:52 GMT
I don't think Netflix file lawsuits that don't make sense. Besides, it seems to make sense to everyone else. They stole an IP and used it illegally for financial gain. They ignored cease and desists. Thus: lawsuit.
As for the agents, the producers, the venues, the writers themselves all making mistakes? People become blind to a lot when they see dollar signs straight ahead. Even those who should know better. That seems to be what's happened with the two girls. The RAH is in millions of pounds of debt right now - I doubt it would have been easy to turn down a sell-out show.
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Post by austink on Aug 13, 2022 6:57:45 GMT
Indeed I think you will find a lot of people just assumed they have rights as most venues and agents would not have been in the detail of understand they didn’t have performance rights. The concerts were produced by Bear’s agent so there is the line where anyone would have stopped in questioning legals. Btw whether you like the underlying source material, think Bridgerton is trash or not, it isn’t relevant to the lawsuit. They could have written the best work ever based on Tommy Wiseasu’s The Room, and if you lift material parts of the work without permission, its copyright infringement regardless of quality of the work relative to the underlying work. The question often as noted my others is “does the rights holder care”. Often no but when you book major venues, people tend to notice. And we he lawsuit could be entirely out of spite and jealousy (likely not), still not relevant to the substance of the suit. Btw bringing Amber Heard and Trump into this is an interesting pivot. 😬 I don't think Netflix file lawsuits that don't make sense. Besides, it seems to make sense to everyone else. They stole an IP and used it illegally for financial gain. They ignored cease and desists. Thus: lawsuit. As for the agents, the producers, the venues, the writers themselves all making mistakes? People become blind to a lot when they see dollar signs straight ahead. Even those who should know better. That seems to be what's happened with the two girls. The RAH is in millions of pounds of debt right now - I doubt it would have been easy to turn down a sell-out show. |
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Post by stuartmcd on Aug 13, 2022 7:18:13 GMT
This unofficial musical would not even exist if it wasn’t for Shonda Rhimes, Julia Quinn and Netflix. They created Bridgerton and Barlow and Bear have stolen that for their own financial gain. To put it down to them being annoyed about some awards is ridiculous. So don’t come trying to belittle Shonda Rhimes as someone just throwing a hissy fit when this whole thing wouldn’t even exist if it wasn’t for the massively successful tv show that she created.
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Post by danb on Aug 13, 2022 7:58:09 GMT
Quite why they didn’t present the whole endeavour to Shondaland in the first place, before they started leaking bits and pieces to the internet is beyond me. SR might have found it quirky and a positive addition to the ‘franchise’? Of course conversely she could have slapped them down at that early stage and saved everyone a whole load of negative press.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 13, 2022 8:47:39 GMT
Shanda Rhymes is one of the most successful producers around.
It’s absolutely idiocy to suggest that this suit is to do with insecurity on her part.
Comparing a copyright infringement case in any way to Trump (5 people DIED on Jan 6th! DIED!) or Heard/Depp (a U.K. court found that Depp did, on the balance of probabilities, physically abuse her - and the Depp fans who crowdfunded to unseal documents that were not submitted in the US court are now finding out why - there was a lot of evidence in the U.K. case that was not presented to the US jury!) is just offensive.
Get some perspective. Barlow and Bear have gotten away with far more than most, they just pushed it that bit too far, and are finding out they should have stopped while they were ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 8:53:07 GMT
Even a simple statement that proclaims they did nothing wrong and asking everyone to reserve judgment until all the facts have been revealed would have done wonders They can't make that kind of statement when it isn't true! You can wear your rose-tinted glasses all you like, but facts are facts and no amount of verging on defamatory comments about Shonda Rhimes from you will change the fact that Barlow and Bear do not have the rights to any Bridgerton IP. That is the beginning, middle and end of the story. And as for why the venues didn't query it, that isn't up to them. They just provide the infrastructure, it will be for the people actually putting on the show to ensure they have the rights in place. |
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Post by ceebee on Aug 17, 2022 17:53:36 GMT
I've heard that Paddington Bear is also looking into copyright infringement.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 19, 2022 16:57:44 GMT
I've heard that Paddington Bear is also looking into copyright infringement. Hahaha...no...lame joke.... if you had written ...the Muppet Show is looking into copyright...as Fozzy Bear‘s mother‘s name is Emily Bear ...it would have been funny and would have made sense Nothing changed in the last three weeks... amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/media/bridgerton-legal-battle-netflix-tiktok/index.htmlNow both sides don‘t comment...and still only speculation by media outlets and pseudo experts generating clicks. |
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Post by ceebee on Aug 19, 2022 19:20:45 GMT
I've heard that Paddington Bear is also looking into copyright infringement. Hahaha...no...lame joke.... if you had written ...the Muppet Show is looking into copyright...as Fozzy Bear‘s mother‘s name is Emily Bear ...it would have been funny and would have made sense Nothing changed in the last three weeks... amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/media/bridgerton-legal-battle-netflix-tiktok/index.htmlNow both sides don‘t comment...and still only speculation by media outlets and pseudo experts generating clicks. But then if had written that, I'd be overthinking it and it still wouldn't have been funny. However, there is clearly no truth in Ken Barlow being asked to do a paternity test, despite the tenuous rumours that abound online. Given the clicks you generate, do you consider yourself a pseudo expert or are you one of the elite "those in the know" type of person? |
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Post by inthenose on Aug 19, 2022 22:12:03 GMT
I've heard that Paddington Bear is also looking into copyright infringement. Hahaha...no...lame joke.... if you had written ...the Muppet Show is looking into copyright...as Fozzy Bear‘s mother‘s name is Emily Bear ...it would have been funny and would have made sense Nothing changed in the last three weeks... amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/media/bridgerton-legal-battle-netflix-tiktok/index.htmlNow both sides don‘t comment...and still only speculation by media outlets and pseudo experts generating clicks. Look, I have no problem with Emily Barlowe or Abigail Bare - I’m sure they are terrifically talented singer/songwriters. I just wish for their sake they hadn’t gone down this path. They remind me a lot of the band “Milli Vanilli” who were hugely popular for a spell in the late 80’s. Barlowe and Bare are the new Rob and Fab - and that’s okay. Nothing wrong with a bit of Milli Vanilli or any other cover artist/manufactured star/plagiarist act. The lawyers disagree, but what do they know about copyright law?! |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Aug 19, 2022 23:15:21 GMT
However, there is clearly no truth in Ken Barlow being asked to do a paternity test, despite the tenuous rumours that abound online. Not least because he'd have been about 70 when she was born. Not everybody can be Mick Jagger thankfully! |
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