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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 25, 2022 10:20:08 GMT
Hahaha...no...lame joke.... if you had written ...the Muppet Show is looking into copyright...as Fozzy Bear‘s mother‘s name is Emily Bear ...it would have been funny and would have made sense Nothing changed in the last three weeks... amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/media/bridgerton-legal-battle-netflix-tiktok/index.htmlNow both sides don‘t comment...and still only speculation by media outlets and pseudo experts generating clicks. Look, I have no problem with Emily Barlowe or Abigail Bare - I’m sure they are terrifically talented singer/songwriters. I just wish for their sake they hadn’t gone down this path. They remind me a lot of the band “Milli Vanilli” who were hugely popular for a spell in the late 80’s. Barlowe and Bare are the new Rob and Fab - and that’s okay. Nothing wrong with a bit of Milli Vanilli or any other cover artist/manufactured star/plagiarist act. The lawyers disagree, but what do they know about copyright law?! so you are comparing them to two men...who were not even musicians, who did not even sing one note ...they were just acting to Frank Farian songs... kind of topping his Boney M project. and to explain it again for you... the real strange thing about the lawsuit is...that their lawyers are one of the most experienced lawyers in the entertainment industry...very certainly quite experienced in copyright law cases....and they are clients of CAA ...worlds leading talent agency en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Artists_AgencySo it would be the same as if Jürgen Klopp suddenly had no clue about football...I am not defending anyone..but it‘s really really strange. Nothing new btw. Barlow and Bear have now time till September 22nd www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/45435844/NETFLIX_WORLDWIDE_ENTERTAINMENT,_LLC_et_al_v_BARLOW_et_al „MINUTE ORDER construing the14 Joint Stipulation Regarding Defendants' Deadline to Respond to Plaintiffs' Complaint as a consent motion for extension of time and granting it. Defendants currently have until August 23, 2022, to answer or otherwise respond to Plaintiffs' complaint. See ECF No. 14 at 1. The parties have filed a14 Joint Stipulation Regarding Defendants' Deadline to Respond to Plaintiffs' Complaint, in which they "STIPULATE, and respectfully request that the Court enter an Order providing, that [Defendants'] deadline [to] answer or otherwise respond to [Plaintiffs'] Complaint" is extended to September 22, 2022. Extensions of time will "be granted only upon motion and not upon stipulation of the parties." See ECF No. 7 ¶ 10. But because the parties request a Court Order granting the requested extension, the Court construes the14 Joint Stipulation as a consent motion for extension of time. So construed, it is hereby ORDERED, for good cause shown, that the14 consent motion for extension of time is GRANTED. It is further ORDERED that Defendants shall answer or otherwise respond to Plaintiffs' complaint by September 22, 2022. Signed by Judge Timothy J. Kelly on 08/12/2022. (lctjk2)“ Judge: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_J._Kelly |
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Post by inthenose on Aug 25, 2022 10:31:55 GMT
Look, the truth is I don’t care. I don’t care about the judge’s Wikipedia page. I don’t care about Bridgerton. I only replied because whenever someone is being incredibly partisan in their views, instinct kicks in.
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Post by austink on Aug 25, 2022 11:00:57 GMT
1. A lawyer taking a case has little to do with merits. It isn’t pro bono. 2. CAA is irrelevant to copyright matters. 3. Any judge will give extra time to respond. Its standard My issue is people thinking this is a case they can win on the merits and they they are someone the victim here. It’s incredibly disingenuous when there are loads of writers that go though proper mechanisms to get rights to work and very often don’t and you hear nothing of that work as they know you need a license. If you let them away with it, where is the line? Look, I have no problem with Emily Barlowe or Abigail Bare - I’m sure they are terrifically talented singer/songwriters. I just wish for their sake they hadn’t gone down this path. They remind me a lot of the band “Milli Vanilli” who were hugely popular for a spell in the late 80’s. Barlowe and Bare are the new Rob and Fab - and that’s okay. Nothing wrong with a bit of Milli Vanilli or any other cover artist/manufactured star/plagiarist act. The lawyers disagree, but what do they know about copyright law?! so you are comparing them to two men...who were not even musicians, who did not even sing one note ...they were just acting to Frank Farian songs... kind of topping his Boney M project. and to explain it again for you... the real strange thing about the lawsuit is...that their lawyers are one of the most experienced lawyers in the entertainment industry...very certainly quite experienced in copyright law cases....and they are clients of CAA ...worlds leading talent agency en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Artists_AgencySo it would be the same as if Jürgen Klopp suddenly had no clue about football...I am not defending anyone..but it‘s really really strange. Nothing new btw. Barlow and Bear have now time till September 22nd www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/45435844/NETFLIX_WORLDWIDE_ENTERTAINMENT,_LLC_et_al_v_BARLOW_et_al „MINUTE ORDER construing the14 Joint Stipulation Regarding Defendants' Deadline to Respond to Plaintiffs' Complaint as a consent motion for extension of time and granting it. Defendants currently have until August 23, 2022, to answer or otherwise respond to Plaintiffs' complaint. See ECF No. 14 at 1. The parties have filed a14 Joint Stipulation Regarding Defendants' Deadline to Respond to Plaintiffs' Complaint, in which they "STIPULATE, and respectfully request that the Court enter an Order providing, that [Defendants'] deadline [to] answer or otherwise respond to [Plaintiffs'] Complaint" is extended to September 22, 2022. Extensions of time will "be granted only upon motion and not upon stipulation of the parties." See ECF No. 7 ¶ 10. But because the parties request a Court Order granting the requested extension, the Court construes the14 Joint Stipulation as a consent motion for extension of time. So construed, it is hereby ORDERED, for good cause shown, that the14 consent motion for extension of time is GRANTED. It is further ORDERED that Defendants shall answer or otherwise respond to Plaintiffs' complaint by September 22, 2022. Signed by Judge Timothy J. Kelly on 08/12/2022. (lctjk2)“ Judge: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_J._Kelly |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Aug 25, 2022 14:51:58 GMT
austink why are people not informing themselves... these lawyers are not taking the case...they were involved in the whole story from the beginning.. same with CAA... so my point is from the beginning that something does not add up ...as all reps/agents are very experienced. I nowhere said said that they should win on merit.. and I just wanted to inform with an official link. Very likely negotiations are going on. A lot of money on both sides ...CAA is a big company. So it seems in reality Netflix vs. CAA We all have still just the lawsuit...it may be bs...or not totally correct. Btw. if it is fair use... it is totally legal... My problem is...that many people still make statements knowing nothing.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 25, 2022 18:06:07 GMT
austink why are people not informing themselves... these lawyers are not taking the case...they were involved in the whole story from the beginning.. same with CAA... so my point is from the beginning that something does not add up ...as all reps/agents are very experienced. I nowhere said said that they should win on merit.. and I just wanted to inform with an official link. Very likely negotiations are going on. A lot of money on both sides ...CAA is a big company. So it seems in reality Netflix vs. CAA We all have still just the lawsuit...it may be bs...or not totally correct. Btw. if it is fair use... it is totally legal... My problem is...that many people still make statements knowing nothing. Do you mean people on this forum? |
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Post by max on Aug 25, 2022 18:49:16 GMT
austink why are people not informing themselves... these lawyers are not taking the case...they were involved in the whole story from the beginning.. same with CAA... so my point is from the beginning that something does not add up ...as all reps/agents are very experienced. I nowhere said said that they should win on merit.. and I just wanted to inform with an official link. Very likely negotiations are going on. A lot of money on both sides ...CAA is a big company. So it seems in reality Netflix vs. CAA We all have still just the lawsuit...it may be bs...or not totally correct. Btw. if it is fair use... it is totally legal... My problem is...that many people still make statements knowing nothing. Can't wait for it to be declared 'Fair use'. I've had a number of musicals on the stocks for a while and not been able to move forward with them. 'Friends - the musical' was the first, I wrote 15 songs for that. My next one was 'Breaking Bad - The musical' - I've only written 10 songs so far, but it's been frustrating to see them sitting in a bottom drawer. Currently I'm developing 'Game Of The Thrones - the musical'. Yes, I've sometimes thought I'm a fool for not getting the rights first, but somewhere in the back of my mind I've also been thinking 'it's not fair I can't make a musical out of these'. So really hoping a 'fair use' outcome opens up, and I'm ahead of the game with these. Yay! |
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Post by ceebee on Aug 25, 2022 19:35:28 GMT
austink why are people not informing themselves... these lawyers are not taking the case...they were involved in the whole story from the beginning.. same with CAA... so my point is from the beginning that something does not add up ...as all reps/agents are very experienced. I nowhere said said that they should win on merit.. and I just wanted to inform with an official link. Very likely negotiations are going on. A lot of money on both sides ...CAA is a big company. So it seems in reality Netflix vs. CAA We all have still just the lawsuit...it may be bs...or not totally correct. Btw. if it is fair use... it is totally legal... My problem is...that many people still make statements knowing nothing. Can't wait for it to be declared 'Fair use'. I've had a number of musicals on the stocks for a while and not been able to move forward with them. 'Friends - the musical' was the first, I wrote 15 songs for that. My next one was 'Breaking Bad - The musical' - I've only written 10 songs so far, but it's been frustrating to see them sitting in a bottom drawer. Currently I'm developing 'Game Of The Thrones - the musical'. Yes, I've sometimes thought I'm a fool for not getting the rights first, but somewhere in the back of my mind I've also been thinking 'it's not fair I can't make a musical out of these'. So really hoping a 'fair use' outcome opens up, and I'm ahead of the game with these. Yay! Like my own attempt at a musical: 'Downtown Abby', the story of Abby, a young girl who went on the run after helping her Uncle steal a loaf of bread, earning a modest living working on the land before setting up a bar called Dreamland and re-emerging as a sixties pop singer who went on to achieve greatness feeding the birds. And everybody who didn't die lived happily ever after. I still think these original themes have never been done before and would shake the industry up a bit. |
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Post by Jon on Aug 25, 2022 21:24:09 GMT
I do think this thread should be closed once the case is settled.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 2, 2022 15:25:10 GMT
Just a question what is the name of this Welsh TV Show, which had no problem to let someone perform ..,  Why should the composer be restricted - when others perform the songs even on TV? |
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 2, 2022 15:42:25 GMT
That's the Eisteddfod, as can be seen in the bottom left, broadcast on S4C, as seen in the top left.
Good luck suing the druids. Not only do they have special powers, but the whole matter would have to be conducted, at considerable expense, in Welsh.
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Post by og on Sept 2, 2022 17:11:27 GMT
Eisteddfod yr Urdd (as opposed to the international festival in Llangollen) is an arts competition festival. The performance is from that competition. The song is taken out of context from the source material and the performance has not been marketed using any existing IP including trademarks or copyrights. The competitor, Nansi Rhys Adams, will have been required to clear all applicable performance rights of the material with the publisher - as detailed here: www.urdd.cymru/en/eisteddfod/2022/competing/copyright-guidelines/The broadcast of the material will have been cleared by Avanti - the Production company - and covered under blanket ppl and broadcast rights. The big difference here is Eisteddfod yr Urdd has made no attempt to profit off of the 'Bridgerton' brand through "unjust enrichment and trademark infringement" -which is the issue Netflix are seeking to resolve with B&B. All of this information is freely and easily available online, information I found in less than 5 minutes. |
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Post by stuartmcd on Sept 2, 2022 17:13:10 GMT
Just a question what is the name of this Welsh TV Show, which had no problem to let someone perform .., Why should the composer be restricted - when others perform the songs even on TV? The music exists. There’s no way to stop anybody from singing those songs ever again. |
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Post by ceebee on Sept 2, 2022 20:39:23 GMT
Just a question what is the name of this Welsh TV Show, which had no problem to let someone perform .., Why should the composer be restricted - when others perform the songs even on TV? Look out for the animated musical cartoon featuring Shaun the Sheep. |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 2, 2022 23:25:40 GMT
Seems an inefficient way of doing it. I thought most festivals worked with federations so they could negotiate a group license. I can't imagine the publishers want to get dozens of letters every year. Edited to add: I've just read further — it's if you're performing a translation. If it's as published then you don't need to. That makes more sense! |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 18, 2022 16:27:34 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 18, 2022 17:49:52 GMT
If what they’ve moved on to is a musical about a bygone Taco Bel pizza… good luck with that ladies.
Have these two got a single idea in their heads that isn’t based on someone else’s brand?
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 18, 2022 19:56:25 GMT
If what they’ve moved on to is a musical about a bygone Taco Bel pizza… good luck with that ladies. Have these two got a single idea in their heads that isn’t based on someone else’s brand? If Schönberg, Cameron based their musical on Victor Hugo...why not a fun, parody, ad musical about a fast food chain... ? And they even did not get permission from him in contrast to Barlow & Bear. Cole Porter never asked Shakespeare... If I‘m not mistaken Cinderella is not a new idea.. btw. let‘s wait what will happen..or not on Thursday |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 20:21:45 GMT
If what they’ve moved on to is a musical about a bygone Taco Bel pizza… good luck with that ladies. Have these two got a single idea in their heads that isn’t based on someone else’s brand? It was an ad campaign..... They were paid to be a part of it. (Not defending them, just want to clarify.) |
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 24, 2022 4:21:45 GMT
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 24, 2022 4:53:28 GMT
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Post by ceebee on Sept 24, 2022 9:49:26 GMT
R.I.P. the musical and this thread.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Sept 24, 2022 14:51:12 GMT
R.I.P. the musical and this thread. we still do not know anything - nothing about the exact settlement maybe in a few months - Royal Albert Hall Emily Bear and Abigail Barlow posted on insta last Sunday a snippet and photos kind of trying to celebrate with Champagne - the opening of bottle did not work out well ...Abigail Barlow tagged it with a „good day“ So it seems to be possible that it...but again just speculation. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 24, 2022 15:32:02 GMT
R.I.P. the musical and this thread. we still do not know anything - nothing about the exact settlement maybe in a few months - Royal Albert HallEmily Bear and Abigail Barlow posted on insta last Sunday a snippet and photos kind of trying to celebrate with Champagne - the opening of bottle did not work out well ...Abigail Barlow tagged it with a „good day“ So it seems to be possible that it...but again just speculation. Good God, I do hope not. If I never heard of them or their dreary musical again it would be too soon. |
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Post by ceebee on Sept 24, 2022 15:52:25 GMT
R.I.P. the musical and this thread. we still do not know anything - nothing about the exact settlement maybe in a few months - Royal Albert Hall Emily Bear and Abigail Barlow posted on insta last Sunday a snippet and photos kind of trying to celebrate with Champagne - the opening of bottle did not work out well ...Abigail Barlow tagged it with a „good day“ So it seems to be possible that it...but again just speculation. Keep dreaming. It ain't happening. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Sept 24, 2022 23:20:54 GMT
The Royal Albert Hall typically does not have dates available 'in a few months'
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