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Post by wanderingranger on May 3, 2020 6:56:24 GMT
In fairness, unless you are from York, David's profile possibly isn't massive. Producers of a big movie probably didn't think he's well known enough. |
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Post by emeraldbaudelaire on May 3, 2020 13:27:37 GMT
Im dubious about Jodie's singing ability does anyone have any videos? I recently seen a few clips of Emma Stone singing in Cabaret and was starting to warm to the idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 1:04:22 GMT
Never heard Jodie sing but I’d be very surprised if she went for this if she couldn’t - the woman is basically top of the ‘ones to watch’ on both sides of the Atlantic right now and on the verge of cracking Hollywood (she’s in the next Ridley Scott movie with a Christmas Day release date - suggesting the studio are at least thinking it will be oscar worthy).
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 1:17:07 GMT
I'm so onboard with the Ralph Fienne's as Trunchbull train, I am not so sold on Emma Stone as Miss Honey. I'm the opposite - I think Emma Stone is perfect for Miss Honey but am not sold on Fiennes (he is a great actor but I don't see him as Trunchbull). But really I don't think the film is necessary at all and will probably just stick to the 90s version, which was perfect. It doesn't need a screen copy of the musical version, I enjoyed it but didn't really think the songs added much. I agree that there isn’t really a need for another Matilda movie, but if they stick to the narrative structure of the musical, both will be very different adaptations of the same source material. Plus it will be nice to have a British Matilda - I never understood why they had to make it American. The movie also changed things up and added new parts that weren’t in the book, so they won’t transfer over and hopefully people will remember the source material before calling the musical out for not including certain moments. Somewhat confusingly, Netflix are also working on an animated adaptation of Matilda, as part of their deal with the Dahl estate to adapt basically everything Dahl wrote into either an animated movie or series. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on May 4, 2020 1:25:56 GMT
Plus it will be nice to have a British Matilda - I never understood why they had to make it American. I'm always so bothered when Americans do that. They have this thing when they change the characters' nationality or the setting in a way that doesn't really have an impact on the plot, but somehow suggests that the audience won't care if the story is not about America and Americans. Yasmina Reza's God of Carnage was still set in Paris when it opened in the West End, but by the time it opened on Broadway it had become a Brooklyn story. In the new Moulin Rouge musical Christian is an American in Paris and no longer an Englishman. It doesn't change the story at all, but why do you need to do that? I mean, Aaron Tveit has his own limits in the acting department without burdening him with an accent, but still, won't the audience be able to connect with the character is he's not from the States? End of the rant. |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 6, 2021 11:38:26 GMT
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 6, 2021 17:17:17 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all.
Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.
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Post by Mark on Jan 6, 2021 18:49:43 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.   |
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Post by musicalmarge on Jan 8, 2021 17:31:16 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash. what  ? No male Trunchbull? Trans? Zzzzzz please! |
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Post by nick on Jan 9, 2021 14:48:16 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. They are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash. Are pantos doomed then? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 15:05:17 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. T hey are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.Seriously? There's been so many over the years; Mrs Doubtfire, Big Moma, White Chicks. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 10, 2021 0:16:09 GMT
Not very exciting casting at all. Also Ralph Fiennes is no longer doing it. T hey are having to find a female Miss Trunchbull to avoid a trans backlash.Seriously? There's been so many over the years; Mrs Doubtfire, Big Moma, White Chicks. Erm. Mrs Doubtfire was YEARS ago and I don’t think those other 2 films are exactly great examples to go by. Remember we are living in the age of everyone being outraged and cancel culture. It’s a risk they aren’t prepared to take. |
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Post by Oleanna on Jan 10, 2021 8:40:21 GMT
Oh just get Pam Ferris again.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jan 10, 2021 9:09:52 GMT
Oh just get Pam Ferris again. Yes! Or Sarah Lancashire? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 14:47:08 GMT
Seriously? There's been so many over the years; Mrs Doubtfire, Big Moma, White Chicks. Erm. Mrs Doubtfire was YEARS ago and I don’t think those other 2 films are exactly great examples to go by. Remember we are living in the age of everyone being outraged and cancel culture. It’s a risk they aren’t prepared to take. Ok, John Travolta Hairspray? I just find it hard to believe Tim Minchin would pander to that. I blame NBC for mis-casting Rocky Horror and setting the precedent. |
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Post by robertb213 on Jan 10, 2021 16:14:34 GMT
The world needs to accept that certain characters created for the stage are played by the opposite gender. It's not an attack or judgement on anybody, it's just the context and history of that show. If people choose to be offended by that, then equally they have the choice not to watch, but if we're moving into a world where Trunchbull, Edna Turnblad and countless panto dames are played by women just to avoid perceived prejudice that isn't there, then it's a very sad thing. What's next, Simba can only be played by a real lion?
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Post by emeraldbaudelaire on Jan 10, 2021 22:01:37 GMT
She definitely isn't tall enough for the part and I think she has problems with mobility nowadays but can you imagine what Miriam Margoyles from ten years ago could have done with this role? She'd be amazing.
I do think we will end up with somebody like Imelda Staunton though I'd prefer someone more outside of the box and more physically intimidating.
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Post by David J on Jan 10, 2021 22:29:12 GMT
The bigger question though is why does Trunchbull require a male actor - what does it bring to the role?. Mrs Doubtfire, for example, worked because it was a male character going to huge lengths to see his kids daily, something he was legally forbidden to do. The audience were in on it and actively rooting for Daniel, knowing it was all going to go wrong at some point. The humour doesn’t come out of Robin Williams dressed as a woman, but from his character Daniel interacting with those around him whilst dressed as a respectable older woman. The movie goes to great lengths actually to ensure Mrs Doubtfire isn’t a character you’re laughing at, but laughing with. It’s very clever in its execution and is not offensive in the slightest. John Travolta on the other hand brings absolutely nothing to his role in Hairspray. He plays it completely straight and is very adequate, but adds nothing other than his name to poster. I accept on stage it’s always had male casting, but that’s not a justification for casting decisions in a different medium. Matilda would have ended up going the same way and there’s no real reason from what I remember of the musical. The thing with Miss Trunchball is that like Roald Dahl's villains she is a bigger than life character. He shows adults from a child's perspective on a big and grotesque scale Now she is neither a witch or a giant but a woman who was an athlete in her day. But Roald Dahl and Quentin Blake depicted her as this towering monster that frightened both children and adults The musical clearly stayed close to the illustrations in the book. So obviously they needed to cast men to pull off her ugliness, stature and inhumane character. Even better when she doesn't sound effeminate. Mature as well since trunchball looks to be in her late 50s-60s. Not to be down on the young men who understudy the role but they never sound convincing. Beth Malone played the character in 2019 and she was not convincing at all. It's possible that a woman can play the role. It's already been done with Pam Herris in the 1996 film and she depicted the character very well. But she did have the help of the low camera shots to make her look bigger than she is. I'm sure there are actresses that would fit the look of the character. But how many are they? And that actress will have to be well known since this is hollywood we're talking about? The only one I know who could come close to pull it off is Gwendoline Christie |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jan 10, 2021 22:41:33 GMT
The bigger question though is why does Trunchbull require a male actor - what does it bring to the role?. Mrs Doubtfire, for example, worked because it was a male character going to huge lengths to see his kids daily, something he was legally forbidden to do. The audience were in on it and actively rooting for Daniel, knowing it was all going to go wrong at some point. The humour doesn’t come out of Robin Williams dressed as a woman, but from his character Daniel interacting with those around him whilst dressed as a respectable older woman. The movie goes to great lengths actually to ensure Mrs Doubtfire isn’t a character you’re laughing at, but laughing with. It’s very clever in its execution and is not offensive in the slightest. John Travolta on the other hand brings absolutely nothing to his role in Hairspray. He plays it completely straight and is very adequate, but adds nothing other than his name to poster. I accept on stage it’s always had male casting, but that’s not a justification for casting decisions in a different medium. Matilda would have ended up going the same way and there’s no real reason from what I remember of the musical. Only thing I'd quibble here is that with Hairspray the role has always been played by a man whether in the original film that the musical is based on or on stage so I think that it's fair enough in a further adaptation not to change that, it keeps in spirit with the original (though Travolta's interpretation is certainly lacking in my opinion). |
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Post by David J on Jan 10, 2021 23:05:08 GMT
I just remembered there was an audio dramatisation of Matilda that Penguin publishing produced alongside dahl’s other books
It isn’t credited who exactly played Trunchball but Rula Lenska is listed and she sounds similar. To me if you want the voice of Miss Trunchball then she nails it. So big, authoritative and threatening
On the other hand I loved Bertie Carvels cold depiction at Stratford. But I hated how he changed it and became more shrill for laughs when the show got to London and Broadway
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Post by nick on Jan 11, 2021 8:58:54 GMT
Eddie Izzard would be a good choice. She came into my mind as the politically correct choice but then realised that she would also be a good creative choice.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jan 11, 2021 9:18:44 GMT
Eddie Izzard is actually a very good call. Btw, Trunchbull has already been played by women in the musical, most notably Tony-nominee Beth Malone in the US in 2019. Besides, the character was not conceived as a drag role by the creative team: Although Mr. Warchus said he he wanted someone tall and physically imposing for Miss Trunchbull, the casting call initially included men and women. (The role could still be played by a woman, he said.) More important was the actor’s approach. “I wasn’t looking for a comedian,” Mr. Warchus explained. “I was looking for a great actor, a psychological actor.” Miss Trunchbull, he said, is “like the characters in Dickens, real people who happen to be extreme.” [X]
This settles it. |
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jan 11, 2021 12:06:42 GMT
As usual we have to fiddle with a stage-to-film adaptation until it is unrecognizable.
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Post by ceebee on Jan 11, 2021 12:57:46 GMT
I'd like to see a good actor or actress take the role. Much as I like Eddie Izzard, she isn't the right person in my opinion.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 15, 2021 0:13:42 GMT
Emma Thompson has been cast in the role.
And to my mind, she is too old for it.
But hey ho.
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