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Post by saral on Oct 31, 2021 20:41:25 GMT
My refund has come through. Very quick service. Shame as I had nabbed a bargain stalls seat for £30. Cheers for the heads up, just checked and had mine through as well |
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Post by david on Oct 31, 2021 20:44:29 GMT
My refund has come through. Very quick service. Shame as I had nabbed a bargain stalls seat for £30. Same here with my refund. Gutted that the show is no longer going ahead. I’d book to see it on my birthday. I’d managed to get the stalls Q35 seat for £15 as well. |
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Post by showtoones on Nov 1, 2021 6:40:48 GMT
Forgive me, but to my recollection Mr B hasn’t ever condoned sexual misconduct in his posts. Having an unfortunate tone on occasion, perhaps. I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Oh yes, not liking a show is just the same as Transphobia and excusing abuse/defending Sexual Predators. I apologise. Mr B has never condoned abusing women or saying white men with power can do what they want. Putting him in the same category of TG is not only disgusting but also plain wrong |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 1, 2021 7:10:26 GMT
Oh yes, not liking a show is just the same as Transphobia and excusing abuse/defending Sexual Predators. I apologise. Mr B has never condoned abusing women or saying white men with power can do what they want. Putting him in the same category of TG is not only disgusting but also plain wrong I’m not offended or anything- just amazed at the sheer stupidity of it. |
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Post by danb on Nov 1, 2021 7:30:32 GMT
Supporting someones right to have an opinion is not the same as supporting that opinion. Understanding why somebody different from you has a different opinion is not the same as supporting that opinion. Deliberately misunderstanding people to look like a big man? Dick move.
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Post by QueerTheatre on Nov 1, 2021 12:48:28 GMT
My refund came through and I used it to book tickets to the New York production instead - with a far less problematic director! A win all round i'd say.
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Post by inthenose on Nov 1, 2021 13:54:03 GMT
Supporting someones right to have an opinion is not the same as supporting that opinion. Understanding why somebody different from you has a different opinion is not the same as supporting that opinion. Deliberately misunderstanding people to look like a big man? Dick move. Absolutely this. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 14:36:28 GMT
Oh yes, not liking a show is just the same as Transphobia and excusing abuse/defending Sexual Predators. I apologise. Mr B has never condoned abusing women or saying white men with power can do what they want. Putting him in the same category of TG is not only disgusting but also plain wrong I wasn't equating what he said with what TG said, my point is I have been on and watched these forums for many years (pre and post wos) and people have got very angry and offended by Mr Bs posts in the past and yes there have been people asking for him to be banned. He has also been accused of not being supportive of the industry he supposedly loves and works in. When you start banning people for opinions it will and does escalate. Drawing a line under whose feelings are valid, and whose aren't, is a very difficult line to tread. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 16:02:18 GMT
When you start banning people for opinions it will and does escalate. Drawing a line under whose feelings are valid, and whose aren't, is a very difficult line to tread. I must have missed something, but who has asked for who to be banned? And from what? As far as I can see, the Old Vic have cancelled the production of Into the Woods, with speculation that it's due to issues between them and Terry Gilliam. If it is related to the views he holds (and publicly expressed in that article), then they are not banning him - they are choosing not to work with him. Do you think they should turn a blind eye and stay silent on views they oppose and which go against what they stand for, just to make some cash? |
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Post by mjh on Nov 1, 2021 16:16:59 GMT
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Post by zahidf on Nov 1, 2021 17:58:43 GMT
Seems like the Old Vic took a while to cancel given they were told of their staff concerns last year. Considering the Spacey fiasco, they need to to do better to listen to staff concerns. |
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 1, 2021 22:53:35 GMT
The descent into cultural communism continues apace...
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Post by bordeaux on Nov 1, 2021 23:02:06 GMT
More here, not paywalled. 4w.pub/monty-python-stars/It seems theatre really isn't an open-minded as it likes to think it is. We often hear that art and artists are meant to disturb us, to shock us out of our complacency, to break taboos. Clearly, for increasing numbers of people, art and artists are only meant to disturb Daily Mail readers, not the rest of us. A harmless little joke about self-ID and identity politics and he's cancelled and the rest of us miss out on a great show. |
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Post by bordeaux on Nov 1, 2021 23:33:11 GMT
Seems like the Old Vic took a while to cancel given they were told of their staff concerns last year. Considering the Spacey fiasco, they need to to do better to listen to staff concerns. You don't think there's a difference between sexual predation and taking the piss out of contemporary sanctimony? |
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Post by jaffe on Nov 2, 2021 6:57:31 GMT
Seems like the Old Vic took a while to cancel given they were told of their staff concerns last year. Considering the Spacey fiasco, they need to to do better to listen to staff concerns. You don't think there's a difference between sexual predation and taking the piss out of contemporary sanctimony? Mr Gilliam's views on sexual predation, within the context of the entertainment industry, were certainly interesting and sounded a lot more serious than you give him credit. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 2, 2021 7:55:30 GMT
Seems like the Old Vic took a while to cancel given they were told of their staff concerns last year. Considering the Spacey fiasco, they need to to do better to listen to staff concerns. You don't think there's a difference between sexual predation and taking the piss out of contemporary sanctimony? It would be interesting to see him saying his thoughts and not reading them through the prism of leftwing newsprint. I suspect he would still present as a person who is vastly out of touch but I'll happily be proven wrong. |
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Post by cavocado on Nov 2, 2021 9:52:19 GMT
More here, not paywalled. 4w.pub/monty-python-stars/It seems theatre really isn't an open-minded as it likes to think it is. We often hear that art and artists are meant to disturb us, to shock us out of our complacency, to break taboos. Clearly, for increasing numbers of people, art and artists are only meant to disturb Daily Mail readers, not the rest of us. A harmless little joke about self-ID and identity politics and he's cancelled and the rest of us miss out on a great show. There's a fine line between staff having genuine concerns, and staff feeling that their personal politics or beliefs shouldn't be challenged by having to work with people they disagree with. I think it's absolutely correct to refuse to employ people whose past behaviour towards colleagues has been inappropriate or worse, but I feel very uncomfortable if that decision is just based on comments in an interview that could just be interpreted as very bad taste or outdated. Not sure we know enough to judge this particular case, but more broadly I think there is a worryingly narrow political orthodoxy in many areas of the arts now, that has become far less tolerant of dissent, or even debate, over the last decade or so. I have to say I am also a bit cynical about the OV management and staff's selective attitude to #metoo etc, given how many women feel uncomfortable about their mixed sex loos and how little they care about the reasons. 'Inclusivity' here seems more about letting it be known that you think the correct thoughts rather than empathy or compassion, so I can't help feeling there may be a bit of that in play with the Gilliam issue too. |
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Nov 2, 2021 10:00:25 GMT
I haven't read all articles, but I can't find anything about him attacking anyone personally or threatening certain groups etc. etc. Just comments about the system, Hollywood system or comedy today. That is what I consider free speech, you may disagree with his opinion, but he doesn't call for violence or insults anyone in particular. So do a lot of people, J.K Rowling for example, but everyone is "disgusted", to use a word thrown a lot about in this thread. Never understood that really. Differing opinions and discussion are not possible nowadays it seems, everything is either right or disgustingly wrong. He is an 80-year old Monty Python, this is not his world anymore. But this production might have been interesting and I for one booked because of his name, never seen one of his operas. If they had found another director I might have gone as well though, pity, but at least it would have happened. The Old Vic is to blame imo (I like to blame the Old Vic anyway), this is not a new production, has been talked about for years, the comments are mostly quite old, "from a few years back" as one article states, and now they pull the plug, after committing themselves, after tickets are on sale? Bad form imo. I understand, that after the Kevin Spacey case the theatre has to be extra careful with its image. The articles don't specify, what employees were offended etc., but where do you draw the line? If two ushers are offended, do you cancel a production? Does it have to be someone higher up, so you can fire a director or an actor? Do we poll our entire staff before announcin a new show, to see if anyone may be offended? Does the doorman have a say in our planned artistic concept? This whole thing becomes quite dangerous imo, sets a dangerous precedent. But all around it is just sad, a pity really, but that's the times we live in. Isn't the first and won't be the last production cancelled for whatever reasons. Now you can attack me.  |
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Post by zahidf on Nov 2, 2021 10:13:17 GMT
Seems like the Old Vic took a while to cancel given they were told of their staff concerns last year. Considering the Spacey fiasco, they need to to do better to listen to staff concerns. You don't think there's a difference between sexual predation and taking the piss out of contemporary sanctimony? Was that what Gilliam was doing? i thought he was having a rant against trans people and the metoo movement in a public forum because he cant understand and refuses to do so. Interesting how apparently the Indie cant be trusted because of it being leftwing newsprint, whereas a Python fanpage is completely unbiased. FWIW, i think if the staff felt that strongly against him working at the Old vic, they shouldnt have hired him in the first place. The whole thing has been a complete fiasco |
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Post by bordeaux on Nov 2, 2021 12:16:19 GMT
I agree it's a fiasco and they shouldn't have hired him in the first place - how good is his track record in the theatre anyway (two quite well-received operas?) and why is an 80-year-old being given a job that someone under 40 might benefit from? If you have a 50-60 year track record of amazing work like Trevor Nunn or Peter Brook, then I can understand it, but otherwise doesn't the Old Vic have a duty to bring on younger talent?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 2, 2021 12:20:40 GMT
I agree it's a fiasco and they shouldn't have hired him in the first place - how good is his track record in the theatre anyway (two quite well-received operas?) and why is an 80-year-old being given a job that someone under 40 might benefit from? If you have a 50-60 year track record of amazing work like Trevor Nunn or Peter Brook, then I can understand it, but otherwise doesn't the Old Vic have a duty to bring on younger talent? I am now cancelling you for crimes of ageism 🙂 |
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Post by cavocado on Nov 2, 2021 13:47:48 GMT
I agree it's a fiasco and they shouldn't have hired him in the first place - how good is his track record in the theatre anyway (two quite well-received operas?) and why is an 80-year-old being given a job that someone under 40 might benefit from? If you have a 50-60 year track record of amazing work like Trevor Nunn or Peter Brook, then I can understand it, but otherwise doesn't the Old Vic have a duty to bring on younger talent? TG aside (because he's hardly a newbie), no I don't agree that the Old Vic has a duty to bring on younger talent. I think they have a duty to nurture newer talent, but that could mean someone aged 30 or 60, it doesn't matter, and I think that's the legal position too. |
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 2, 2021 19:45:50 GMT
More here, not paywalled. 4w.pub/monty-python-stars/It seems theatre really isn't an open-minded as it likes to think it is. We often hear that art and artists are meant to disturb us, to shock us out of our complacency, to break taboos. Clearly, for increasing numbers of people, art and artists are only meant to disturb Daily Mail readers, not the rest of us. A harmless little joke about self-ID and identity politics and he's cancelled and the rest of us miss out on a great show.
Unfortunately, he was guilty of "wrong-think". A heinous crime in 2021.
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Post by pochard on Nov 10, 2021 19:34:42 GMT
Has anyone received their refund for this yet?
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Post by alece10 on Nov 10, 2021 19:46:56 GMT
Has anyone received their refund for this yet? Yes. Had mine refunded within a few days. |
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