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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 29, 2021 12:37:45 GMT
It would have been stronger of them to go ahead with a different director. Given that tickets had been sold there’s presumably an audience, I doubt many people would have been affronted but it not being Gilliam at the helm. And how many people decided to see it based on his name? Not many I would venture. Certainly not for me. The operas I have seen him direct did not fill me with confidence that his Woods would be any good. |
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Post by fiyero on Oct 29, 2021 13:22:52 GMT
I had booked as I've never seen the show on stage. Not particularly for the director or the venue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 13:33:01 GMT
It would have been stronger of them to go ahead with a different director. Given that tickets had been sold there’s presumably an audience, I doubt many people would have been affronted but it not being Gilliam at the helm. And how many people decided to see it based on his name? Not many I would venture. He was a heavy influence for me tbh because I think he had potential to give a really interesting visual production. |
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Post by showtoones on Oct 29, 2021 18:05:19 GMT
That's the way it is nowadays: a few people are offended and make a fuss about it, a venue gets cold feet and cancels and nobody gets a potentially great production. Sad. Well, my money goes elsewhere then.  A few people are offended? Really?!?! How can you read that piece and NOT be offended. It is shocking. |
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Post by scarpia on Oct 29, 2021 21:37:31 GMT
It would have been stronger of them to go ahead with a different director. Given that tickets had been sold there’s presumably an audience, I doubt many people would have been affronted but it not being Gilliam at the helm. And how many people decided to see it based on his name? Not many I would venture. Certainly not for me. The operas I have seen him direct did not fill me with confidence that his Woods would be any good. Ditto - I booked in spite of Gilliam, as I've not enjoyed any of his opera productions that I've seen. |
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Post by inthenose on Oct 29, 2021 23:06:29 GMT
Oh so Terry Gilliam is the latest cancel victim. He is a world class director. Nothing has been levied against him, let alone proven.
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Post by jaffe on Oct 30, 2021 0:02:58 GMT
Oh so Terry Gilliam is the latest cancel victim. He is a world class director. Nothing has been levied against him, let alone proven. I think it's a case of "verba volant, scripta manent" and his Loretta interview with the Independent, rather than anything he was supposed to have done. |
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Post by danb on Oct 30, 2021 10:05:57 GMT
Yes, he was cancelled for voicing his opinion. Some of which was a woe is me reaction to #metoo, and some which actually made a lot of sense. It stands to reason that for every Weinstein there are those willing to do what it takes to get ahead at the time, regardless of the damage it might do to their mental health later on. None of it is very palatable and open to outrage on both sides, but above all is great publicity for an ‘only ok’ film.
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 30, 2021 10:44:08 GMT
Rather unfair on Leah Hausman.
In the future, either nobody will give interviews or, if they do, they'll be like the "no comment" police interviews we see on TV.
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Post by zahidf on Oct 30, 2021 11:02:34 GMT
Rather unfair on Leah Hausman. In the future, either nobody will give interviews or, if they do, they'll be like the "no comment" police interviews we see on TV. Well... maybe they shouldn't give interviews if they come out with racist/sexist/homophobic rubbish. It's not like the stuff he said was on the fence at all. |
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Post by jaffe on Oct 30, 2021 11:15:43 GMT
Yes, he was cancelled for a voicing his opinion. Some of which was a woe is me reaction to #metoo, and some which actually made a lot of sense. It stands to reason that for every Weinstein there are those willing to do what it takes to get ahead at the time, regardless of the damage it might do to their mental health later on. A working environment that exploits that willingness - or resignation/desperation/fear - is still, presumably, under the control of an individual, or individuals, that allows it to happen. The agency is not in the hands of those he might describe as willing. TG acknowledges that society has moved on "when offense becomes so easy, it takes the fun out of offending” - he doesn't seem to understand why the old material worked and why it doesn't work now. |
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Post by properjob on Oct 30, 2021 12:28:24 GMT
Do we actually know it was cancelled because of TG?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 13:33:38 GMT
Do we actually know it was cancelled because of TG? Baz did suggest that was the reason, but that article was from January 2020, so I don't think The Old Vic have suddenly taken exception to that now. If it is because of Terry Gilliam, I imagine they've had a more recent direct dispute. |
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Post by zahidf on Oct 30, 2021 15:11:12 GMT
Do we actually know it was cancelled because of TG? Baz did suggest that was the reason, but that article was from January 2020, so I don't think The Old Vic have suddenly taken exception to that now. If it is because of Terry Gilliam, I imagine they've had a more recent direct dispute. TG has been openly supporting Dave Chapelle on Twitter over the trans stuff he's said. Maybe that's an issue |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 31, 2021 8:50:13 GMT
Oh so Terry Gilliam is the latest cancel victim. He is a world class director. Nothing has been levied against him, let alone proven. You didn’t read the article huh? |
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Post by danb on Oct 31, 2021 9:24:28 GMT
Oh so Terry Gilliam is the latest cancel victim. He is a world class director. Nothing has been levied against him, let alone proven. You didn’t read the article huh? So you didn’t read the post huh? What was levied at him or proven in the article? All he’s guilty of is having dubious opinions. |
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Post by inthenose on Oct 31, 2021 12:55:38 GMT
Oh so Terry Gilliam is the latest cancel victim. He is a world class director. Nothing has been levied against him, let alone proven. You didn’t read the article huh? Yes I read the article. Poor quality reply by your standards. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 31, 2021 14:46:56 GMT
You didn’t read the article huh? Yes I read the article. Poor quality reply by your standards. Fascinating that someone having horrible opinions and saying awful things isn’t enough for some people. |
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Post by inthenose on Oct 31, 2021 14:56:25 GMT
Whilst I find his opinions contrary to my own, I still believe in free speech. What he says doesn't constitute hate speech, and for all his blather and opinions, many of which I disagree with fundamentally as a libertarian, the right to free speech trumps all, as long as it remains legal and not incitement or worse.
The metoo movement was made to clean up abuse of power, not sanitise or silence people's opinions we may disagree with. By demonising people it is achieving the opposite goal, of creating a situation where anybody speaking contrary to the social politics of the day becomes persona non grata.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 14:59:08 GMT
Yes I read the article. Poor quality reply by your standards. Fascinating that someone having horrible opinions and saying awful things isn’t enough for some people. People on here have said the same about your opinions before. Banning people for their opinions is a dangerous slope. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 15:07:57 GMT
Fascinating that someone having horrible opinions and saying awful things isn’t enough for some people. People on here have said the same about your opinions before. Banning people for their opinions is a dangerous slope. Forgive me, but to my recollection Mr B hasn’t ever condoned sexual misconduct in his posts. Having an unfortunate tone on occasion, perhaps. I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 16:06:16 GMT
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences. So yes, he can say what he likes without breaking the law, but the Old Vic is also then free to say they don't want to work with him. And people here are free to say his comments disgust them and that they will not support his work. You can't moan about that, citing "cancel culture".
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 31, 2021 18:42:31 GMT
But will Terry Gilliam really suffer any consequences? He's 80 years of age and, with this one exception, probably has no other ambitions left to fulfil. When he shuffles off this mortal coil, it wouldn't have been his Into The Woods that all the obituaries focus on.
It's everyone else who will suffer the consequences, almost as collateral damage. That doesn't seem right.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 31, 2021 18:51:36 GMT
People on here have said the same about your opinions before. Banning people for their opinions is a dangerous slope. Forgive me, but to my recollection Mr B hasn’t ever condoned sexual misconduct in his posts. Having an unfortunate tone on occasion, perhaps. I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. Oh yes, not liking a show is just the same as Transphobia and excusing abuse/defending Sexual Predators. I apologise. |
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Post by alece10 on Oct 31, 2021 19:03:26 GMT
My refund has come through. Very quick service.
Shame as I had nabbed a bargain stalls seat for £30.
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