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Post by ali973 on Mar 15, 2019 11:33:49 GMT
There aren't that many roles left. Potiphar, Mrs Potiphar and Jacob are most probably ensemble members with featured walk-in roles. At this point in the conversation, we need to focus on actors of color in leading roles and not just tucked away in the ensemble. Throwing in a black boy and girl in the ensemble is a box ticking. I'm giving the producers the benefit of doubt for now, but if Joseph is white, then I'm inclined to say it's white casting directors and white directors doing what they've always done. Though I think Sheridan Smith is epitome of mediocrity and has no talent to speak of, she makes sense sales wise because for some reason y'all are obsessed with her. Jason Donovan makes sense because he was an iconic Joseph, and PR wise, this can generate a few stories. A white Josep is refusing to break the mold and says we don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:33:56 GMT
If the narrator is more a device than a character, then you can't really suggest she's not a not-white character any more than you can suggest she *is* a not-white character.........  |
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Post by Mark on Mar 15, 2019 11:44:14 GMT
To be honest, I’d rather they just cast the best person for the job, and who will sell tickets to make the production a profit. They have announced TWO cast members, one of whom played a major part in a previous revival.
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Post by ali973 on Mar 15, 2019 11:57:51 GMT
To be honest, I’d rather they just cast the best person for the job, and who will sell tickets to make the production a profit. I've always had a problem with "the best person for the job" line because it's the unconscious answer given to excuse biases and just assumes that the casting has gone through an equal and transparent process. What a convenient thing for people to say to rest their conscience. In most situations, actors of color aren't even seen to begin with, so "the best person for the job" will be selected out of that pool of white applicants. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 12:18:13 GMT
To be honest, I’d rather they just cast the best person for the job, and who will sell tickets to make the production a profit. I've always had a problem with "the best person for the job" line because it's the unconscious answer given to excuse biases and just assumes that the casting has gone through an equal and transparent process. What a convenient thing for people to say to rest their conscience. In most situations, actors of color aren't even seen to begin with, so "the best person for the job" will be selected out of that pool of white applicants. The assumption of bias is what negates your argument though. The ‘best’ in this instance imo actually means the ‘right’ person. The most talented person can still be the worst sort of person and if they aren’t the right fit for a company, they aren’t the going to find employment on talent alone. |
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Post by Mark on Mar 15, 2019 12:34:54 GMT
Sheridan and Jason are both perfect for getting them onto tv to promote it too. Have you any issues with the Mary Poppins casting?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 12:47:19 GMT
Sheridan and Jason are both perfect for getting them onto tv to promote it too. Have you any issues with the Mary Poppins casting? I do. I wanted Julie Andrews as the bird woman. |
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Post by Mark on Mar 15, 2019 12:58:14 GMT
Sheridan and Jason are both perfect for getting them onto tv to promote it too. Have you any issues with the Mary Poppins casting? I do. I wanted Julie Andrews as the bird woman. 🤣 |
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Post by ali973 on Mar 15, 2019 13:02:56 GMT
Sheridan and Jason are both perfect for getting them onto tv to promote it too. Have you any issues with the Mary Poppins casting? Though color blind/color conscious casting is always welcome, MP features actors of European descent playing posh white Brits in the early 1900s. Charlie Stemp is a star of the hour, and I'm happy to see he's getting another high-profile role. I'm specifically flagging race-issues in the Joseph thread because the characters in Joseph are from ancient Israel and Egypt. And here we are. I don't think I'm being completely unreasonable when I see issues with these choices. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 13:09:19 GMT
Sheridan and Jason are both perfect for getting them onto tv to promote it too. Have you any issues with the Mary Poppins casting? I do. I wanted Julie Andrews as the bird woman. And they've spelled Millson's name wrong, it's actually meant to be F-I-T D-A-D. |
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Post by ali973 on Mar 15, 2019 13:11:17 GMT
^ he does look good.
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Post by Raven on Mar 16, 2019 19:16:06 GMT
**There is more to the Tweet above that doesn't show, click through for the whole thread**
So it seems there are a lot of people complaining since Sheridan's casting as the Narrator was announced that nobody, in their opinion, is fit for the role apart from Linzi Hateley. In my opinion, Linzi is by far one of the best Narrators for Joseph, however that doesn't mean I'll criticise the casting of Sheridan Smith. hat's more, criticise before she's even had the chance to perform!
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Post by longinthetooth on Mar 16, 2019 19:31:12 GMT
Sheridan's response to this is interesting (sorry, I'm a Luddite, can't show you the tweet), in which she says, "Just a side note - it was gonna be played by a man ....... "
Now, does she mean for the forthcoming show, before she was cast, or does she mean when the show was originally written?
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Post by shady23 on Mar 16, 2019 19:42:46 GMT
There are not a lot of people "complaining"
There's a few people who have aired their opinion, as happens with every casting for every show and will continue to do so until the end of time.
People do love to make a story or issue out of nothing.
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Post by johartuk on Mar 16, 2019 20:31:23 GMT
What's this "We shouldn't be pitting women against each other" nonsense? As a woman, I don't understand that. Apart from anything else, saying "I prefer female performer A to female performer B (or male performer A to male performer B) in this role" is what we tend to do when we've seen more than one person playing a particular role. As long as it doesn't descend into nastiness, I have no problem with performers being compared.
Given that previous narrators have tended to be strong singers, it's understandable that people have questioned the casting of Sheridan, who's more of an actress than a singer.
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Post by carmella1 on Mar 17, 2019 2:55:55 GMT
Sheridan and Jason are both perfect for getting them onto tv to promote it too. Have you any issues with the Mary Poppins casting? Though color blind/color conscious casting is always welcome, MP features actors of European descent playing posh white Brits in the early 1900s. Charlie Stemp is a star of the hour, and I'm happy to see he's getting another high-profile role. I'm specifically flagging race-issues in the Joseph thread because the characters in Joseph are from ancient Israel and Egypt. And here we are. I don't think I'm being completely unreasonable when I see issues with these choices. Charlie Stemp is the co star of the hour. I doubt that aside from this board many people would even recognize his name. He is cute and dances and sings with an ensemble. He is fine at what he does right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 11:16:59 GMT
What's this "We shouldn't be pitting women against each other" nonsense? As a woman, I don't understand that. Apart from anything else, saying "I prefer female performer A to female performer B (or male performer A to male performer B) in this role" is what we tend to do when we've seen more than one person playing a particular role. As long as it doesn't descend into nastiness, I have no problem with performers being compared. Given that previous narrators have tended to be strong singers, it's understandable that people have questioned the casting of Sheridan, who's more of an actress than a singer. The argument they’re making is about the idea that women are always in competition with each other rather than with men. The illusion that the patriarchy likes to project is that for a woman to be successful, they are in competition with the other women for the one woman slot. This is how women who end being the lone successful woman have historically been scared to send down a ladder to help other women climb up. It’s also why there are 30million plots where women compete over men and with their female friends. I call it a scarcity mindset. The illusion is that there is finite opportunity for women (and anyone who isn’t from the group with the power and influence) and so the people who aren’t (in the UK context) middle class straight white men, need to fight among themselves to get on. When, in fact, they could create some opportunity/power and/or take it from the group who are carefully guarding it. |
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Post by learfan on Mar 17, 2019 14:29:45 GMT
Though color blind/color conscious casting is always welcome, MP features actors of European descent playing posh white Brits in the early 1900s. Charlie Stemp is a star of the hour, and I'm happy to see he's getting another high-profile role. I'm specifically flagging race-issues in the Joseph thread because the characters in Joseph are from ancient Israel and Egypt. And here we are. I don't think I'm being completely unreasonable when I see issues with these choices. Charlie Stemp is the co star of the hour. I doubt that aside from this board many people would even recognize his name. He is cute and dances and sings with an ensemble. He is fine at what he does right now. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by ali973 on Mar 17, 2019 14:43:17 GMT
You realize that this conversation wasn't about Charlie Stemp, his star-power or lack of?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 15:09:48 GMT
I've always had a problem with "the best person for the job" line because it's the unconscious answer given to excuse biases and just assumes that the casting has gone through an equal and transparent process. What a convenient thing for people to say to rest their conscience. In most situations, actors of color aren't even seen to begin with, so "the best person for the job" will be selected out of that pool of white applicants. The assumption of bias is what negates your argument though. The ‘best’ in this instance imo actually means the ‘right’ person. The most talented person can still be the worst sort of person and if they aren’t the right fit for a company, they aren’t the going to find employment on talent alone. I always think the best person gets the job, some professions cannot match the demographic make up perfectly and things like political parties having all women shortlists is as clear discrimination as an all white, all male, all black, all asian shortlist etc. Some jobs were/are advertised under the 1976 Race Relations Act but they may be for culturally sensitive posts. |
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Post by richey on Mar 17, 2019 15:22:14 GMT
Without sounding too pedantic...what does all this have to do with Joseph?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 15:50:24 GMT
Without sounding too pedantic...what does all this have to do with Joseph? Quite a lot about the casting of it. Also, 'without being too pedantic' always comes across as 'enough of this challenging the status quo please'. We could go back to endless posts guessing which white male popstrel will be playing the lead. I personally find this discussion a bit more intellectually interesting. I like discussions about race and gender that reveal people's perspective on the world. |
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Post by danb on Mar 17, 2019 19:23:23 GMT
Calling it now...Martin Lewis for Joseph.
...although Matthew Croke wouldn’t be a bad shout.
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Post by alwloce on Mar 18, 2019 0:33:05 GMT
Joseph is a New Grad which is great! I think straight out of Arts Ed!
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Post by carmella1 on Mar 18, 2019 6:25:14 GMT
If so, how come it has not been announced anywhere. Not even by Baz? And if you know why don't you just say.
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