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Post by justsaying113 on Mar 11, 2021 18:22:26 GMT
I wondered if anyone had heard anything more about this? Maybe it's a "ready-made" production that could fill a gap in The Barbican schedule - or maybe not?!
Hope everyone here is warmly anticipating their own reconnection with the joy of live performance, whatever your taste, preference or favourite artists.
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Mar 11, 2021 20:55:40 GMT
I wondered if anyone had heard anything more about this? Maybe it's a "ready-made" production that could fill a gap in The Barbican schedule - or maybe not?! Hope everyone here is warmly anticipating their own reconnection with the joy of live performance, whatever your taste, preference or favourite artists. I can't see why they wouldn't run it at RPOAT again if social distancing is still in place – same set as JCS, ALW may be generous with the rights, they can probably adapt the choreo? |
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Sept 19, 2022 13:31:30 GMT
Are we likely to finally get this in the Barbican next year?
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Post by Mark on Sept 19, 2022 13:58:22 GMT
Are we likely to finally get this in the Barbican next year? Was just thinking this the other day, and I really hope so! |
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Post by c4ndyc4ne on Sept 19, 2022 14:42:35 GMT
Are we likely to finally get this in the Barbican next year? Was just thinking this the other day, and I really hope so! Sadly think this is gone for good. |
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Post by tal on Sept 19, 2022 18:25:07 GMT
Funnily enough, they had an open air version of Evita in Brazil earlier this year. Based on the style of the initial marketing material, I thought it’d be the Jamie Lloyd production. But the costumes and sets were quite different on the photos of the actual show.
I was really hoping for this to come back, as I thought it was great at Regent’s Park.
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Post by tom on Sept 19, 2022 19:32:50 GMT
This was one of the worst productions I have ever seen so I am not sad that this will not be back!
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Sept 19, 2022 19:50:47 GMT
This was one of the worst productions I have ever seen so I am not sad that this will not be back! That's harsh. I rated it well above their Carousel or Legally Blonde and it was well received generally. I'd be happy to see it at the Barbican (or indeed any musical - it's a lovely venue!) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2022 20:28:51 GMT
Absolutely loved this version of Evita. Possibly the only version I have ever seen that moved from the traditional narrative and truly worked (for me).
Was gutted when the naughty Coronavirus prevented it's Barbican run.
Do hope it will rise again someday, but I agree it's gone dreadfully quiet so I can't really see it.
Oh and the cast were utterly stunning I thought!
That was a blissful Summer when you had their JCS running indoors at the Barbican at the same time.....
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Post by inthenose on Sept 19, 2022 23:40:56 GMT
This was one of the worst productions I have ever seen so I am not sad that this will not be back! That's harsh. I rated it well above their Carousel or Legally Blonde and it was well received generally. I'd be happy to see it at the Barbican (or indeed any musical - it's a lovely venue!) It was a lot better than those, I grant you. But it wasn’t a patch on JCS which preceded it, which is unusual for me to feel because Evita is one of my favourite musicals. It was all a bit too Lloyd-y for me. I liked the bit where Che got tarred and feathered, but the cast left me extremely disappointed. |
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Post by zsazsa on Sept 20, 2022 12:40:49 GMT
I would love to see the international tour of the original Hal Prince production make an appearance over here.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 20, 2022 14:54:01 GMT
I would love to see the international tour of the original Hal Prince production make an appearance over here. I caught it about 15 years ago on a wet night in Hull with a very bad Che and tired Marti Webb. The whole thing looked very tired and dated. It wasn't the best introduction to it but it would be interesting to see if it could work with the right cast |
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Post by inthenose on Sept 20, 2022 15:04:32 GMT
I would love to see the international tour of the original Hal Prince production make an appearance over here. I can think of one very good reason that will never happen… |
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Post by scarpia on Sept 20, 2022 16:19:29 GMT
I would love to see the international tour of the original Hal Prince production make an appearance over here. I was excited about that, even planning to travel abroad for it, until I saw what they did with it. I loved Grandage's 2006 revival but imposing its script and orchestrations on the Hal Prince production does not work, and certainly not if they're not going to redo Larry Fuller's choreography to accommodate those changes (so the whole aristocracy movements in Buenos Aires did not gel at all with the music as they did originally). The shoehorned You Must Love Me in that international production had no direction whatsoever as it was not overseen by Prince, so Eva just stood there singing the song at the audience in her Waltz dress and it was weird. |
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Post by inthenose on Sept 20, 2022 17:29:38 GMT
I would love to see the international tour of the original Hal Prince production make an appearance over here. I was excited about that, even planning to travel abroad for it, until I saw what they did with it. I loved Grandage's 2006 revival but imposing its script and orchestrations on the Hal Prince production does not work, and certainly not if they're not going to redo Larry Fuller's choreography to accommodate those changes (so the whole aristocracy movements in Buenos Aires did not gel at all with the music as they did originally). The shoehorned You Must Love Me in that international production had no direction whatsoever as it was not overseen by Prince, so Eva just stood there singing the song at the audience in her Waltz dress and it was weird. Disagree, I thought “You Must Love Me” worked beautifully in the Grandage and the choreography was spot on. There was a brilliant bit where the soldiers left over from a previous scene went from dead serious into doing really slick dance moves in a transition. I am too young to have seen the original production live, but I’ve seen numerous bootlegs and frankly - sacrilege as it may be - I prefer the 2006 Grandage. Plus Elena Roger was robbed for her Olivier. |
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Post by scarpia on Sept 20, 2022 17:47:09 GMT
I was excited about that, even planning to travel abroad for it, until I saw what they did with it. I loved Grandage's 2006 revival but imposing its script and orchestrations on the Hal Prince production does not work, and certainly not if they're not going to redo Larry Fuller's choreography to accommodate those changes (so the whole aristocracy movements in Buenos Aires did not gel at all with the music as they did originally). The shoehorned You Must Love Me in that international production had no direction whatsoever as it was not overseen by Prince, so Eva just stood there singing the song at the audience in her Waltz dress and it was weird. Disagree, I thought “You Must Love Me” worked beautifully in the Grandage and the choreography was spot on. There was a brilliant bit where the soldiers left over from a previous scene went from dead serious into doing really slick dance moves in a transition. I am too young to have seen the original production live, but I’ve seen numerous bootlegs and frankly - sacrilege as it may be - I prefer the 2006 Grandage. Plus Elena Roger was robbed for her Olivier. You've misunderstood my post - sorry if I was unclear! I'm talking about the recent international revival of the Hal Prince production...which they marketed as being exactly as the Prince production was but, in fact, wasn't, because they imposed the revival script and orchestrations on it. So bits of the show that were changed were out of sync with the original staging. I also loved the 2006 revival and thought YMLM worked beautifully there, as you say. But in the Prince 'revival' (which is difficult to call Prince because he didn't oversee it at all), the way they shoehorned it in, it did not. |
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Post by inthenose on Sept 20, 2022 17:52:08 GMT
Disagree, I thought “You Must Love Me” worked beautifully in the Grandage and the choreography was spot on. There was a brilliant bit where the soldiers left over from a previous scene went from dead serious into doing really slick dance moves in a transition. I am too young to have seen the original production live, but I’ve seen numerous bootlegs and frankly - sacrilege as it may be - I prefer the 2006 Grandage. Plus Elena Roger was robbed for her Olivier. You've misunderstood my post - sorry if I was unclear! I'm talking about the recent international revival of the Hal Prince production...which they marketed as being exactly as the Prince production was but, in fact, wasn't, because they imposed the revival script and orchestrations on it. So bits of the show that were changed were out of sync with the original staging. I also loved the 2006 revival and thought YMLM worked beautifully there, as you say. But in the Prince 'revival' (which is difficult to call Prince because he didn't oversee it at all), the way they shoehorned it in, it did not. Oh, my fault, so sorry! I’ve not seen that production, as you know I was talking about the Grandage where I thought it synced up perfectly! It has been a long day of lifting things and my arms (and brain) hurt! On a wider note, I have question marks about the credibility of a revived production where the creator has passed away. They aren’t there to oversee their vision (and directors LOVE overseeing things) so you’re left with the world class recipe and ingredients, but no chef. |
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Post by scarpia on Sept 20, 2022 17:55:45 GMT
You've misunderstood my post - sorry if I was unclear! I'm talking about the recent international revival of the Hal Prince production...which they marketed as being exactly as the Prince production was but, in fact, wasn't, because they imposed the revival script and orchestrations on it. So bits of the show that were changed were out of sync with the original staging. I also loved the 2006 revival and thought YMLM worked beautifully there, as you say. But in the Prince 'revival' (which is difficult to call Prince because he didn't oversee it at all), the way they shoehorned it in, it did not. Oh, my fault, so sorry! I’ve not seen that production, as you know I was talking about the Grandage where I thought it synced up perfectly! It has been a long day of lifting things and my arms (and brain) hurt! On a wider note, I have question marks about the credibility of a revived production where the creator has passed away. They aren’t there to oversee their vision (and directors LOVE overseeing things) so you’re left with the world class recipe and ingredients, but no chef. In the Prince revival case, this was before he passed away. He knew about it and wanted it to come to Broadway but was totally hands off and did not oversee it at all. Which meant bits of the show that did not exist when he did the original (such as 'You Must Love Me' & the new speeches during 'Buenos Aires') did not have his input and I think they just got randoms to deal with it...and the result was not successful. I can't remember whether Larry Fuller got involved or not (someone did tell me when I asked but I've forgotten), but I suspect he didn't either, because again the choreography did not work with the new ending of 'Buenos Aires' and I can't believe Larry Fuller would have served that up. |
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Post by kyvai on Sept 20, 2022 18:47:33 GMT
Aw I got all excited seeing this thread get bumped up.
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Post by max on Sept 20, 2022 20:43:51 GMT
I think Fuller was involved in the international tour. He was certainly involved in a staging of the original where they had to use the new orchestrations as he voiced disquiet about that in a youtube chat that's probably still up. It was a chat between Fuller and original Magaldi and Mistress Mark Ryan and Siobhan McCarthy and a number of Evas. Really fascinating, though rambling as it's a chat amongst friends/colleagues. I'm afraid the stand out memorable moment was Susannah Fellows remembering how during her entire time within the company as Ensemble and understudy Eva, Elaine Paige never once spoke to her. Can that be true? Brutal to say it in that chat - and brutal if true. She did say, 'a lot of pressure must have been on her', in mitigation, but still... sad to hear. Do all Evas have to go so Method?! Lol
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Post by inthenose on Sept 21, 2022 0:53:36 GMT
I think Fuller was involved in the international tour. He was certainly involved in a staging of the original where they had to use the new orchestrations as he voiced disquiet about that in a youtube chat that's probably still up. It was a chat between Fuller and original Magaldi and Mistress Mark Ryan and Siobhan McCarthy and a number of Evas. Really fascinating, though rambling as it's a chat amongst friends/colleagues. I'm afraid the stand out memorable moment was Susannah Fellows remembering how during her entire time within the company as Ensemble and understudy Eva, Elaine Paige never once spoke to her. Can that be true? Brutal to say it in that chat - and brutal if true. She did say, 'a lot of pressure must have been on her', in mitigation, but still... sad to hear. Do all Evas have to go so Method?! Lol Re: Paige, she was/is infamous for protecting her “spot”. She was notorious for this in other jobs too. I’m not sure how much is ego and how much is insecurity, but *she* was the leading lady and wanted to protect that without fear of being replaced. Similar stories from her days in Chess and others. |
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Post by justsaying113 on Oct 10, 2022 13:27:41 GMT
I assume this is another pandemic casualty now gone forever. The revival (of the Hal Prince original) did amazing business at the Sydney Opera House and in Melbourne 2018 and I've often wondered of it might work here, say at ENO. I know David Ian was keen but the rights weren't available.
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Post by distantcousin on Oct 10, 2022 14:01:54 GMT
I would love to see the international tour of the original Hal Prince production make an appearance over here. I caught it about 15 years ago on a wet night in Hull with a very bad Che and tired Marti Webb. The whole thing looked very tired and dated. It wasn't the best introduction to it but it would be interesting to see if it could work with the right cast
Call it 25 years ago! That tour was in the 90's!!!
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Post by ruthieh on Oct 10, 2022 21:32:37 GMT
I caught it about 15 years ago on a wet night in Hull with a very bad Che and tired Marti Webb. The whole thing looked very tired and dated. It wasn't the best introduction to it but it would be interesting to see if it could work with the right cast
Call it 25 years ago! That tour was in the 90's!!!
At least 25. My colleague and her husband worked that tour as stage management for over a year post uni, and she’s been a qualified solicitor for over 20 years since! They’re still in contact with Marti and most of the cast though… |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 11, 2022 4:46:39 GMT
I think Fuller was involved in the international tour. He was certainly involved in a staging of the original where they had to use the new orchestrations as he voiced disquiet about that in a youtube chat that's probably still up. It was a chat between Fuller and original Magaldi and Mistress Mark Ryan and Siobhan McCarthy and a number of Evas. Really fascinating, though rambling as it's a chat amongst friends/colleagues. I'm afraid the stand out memorable moment was Susannah Fellows remembering how during her entire time within the company as Ensemble and understudy Eva, Elaine Paige never once spoke to her. Can that be true? Brutal to say it in that chat - and brutal if true. She did say, 'a lot of pressure must have been on her', in mitigation, but still... sad to hear. Do all Evas have to go so Method?! Lol Re: Paige, she was/is infamous for protecting her “spot”. She was notorious for this in other jobs too. I’m not sure how much is ego and how much is insecurity, but *she* was the leading lady and wanted to protect that without fear of being replaced. Similar stories from her days in Chess and others. Aka she’s just not a very nice person. |
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