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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 28, 2017 16:47:37 GMT
To reiterate my earlier post, please could we stop negatively commenting about the character and finances of individuals. Also, speculating about the viability of other productions is unfair to those productions and the theatres promoting them. Please stick with what is in the public domain from verified sources, this does not include Twitter.
Thanks.
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Post by showbizkid on Jul 28, 2017 21:27:35 GMT
It was the worst show I have ever seen on tour. I'm not sheading any tears.. people need to pay up or lose out. Simple business just sorry for the young cast members crew and band. Do the audience get their money back?
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Post by horton on Jul 28, 2017 22:33:22 GMT
Although cash flow can be tricky, especially if venue do not release ticket revenue promptly, I can't believe anyone still thinks it's ok to ask artists/ creatives to wait for their money.
Orbital is a very reputable company, though I wonder why they took on this contract given the circumstances. (And most big suppliers do talk to each other about bad debts).
My heart goes out to all the people working on the show who suddenly find themselves out of work through no fault of their own. I hope they all get new jobs very soon.
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Post by Raven on Jul 29, 2017 18:16:46 GMT
Although cash flow can be tricky, especially if venue do not release ticket revenue promptly, I can't believe anyone still thinks it's ok to ask artists/ creatives to wait for their money. I agree! It's disgraceful how the whole situation has been handled. I really feel for the whole cast involved who have suddenly had their jobs pulled from them and left unemployed for three weeks which they wouldn't have accounted for as they were still due to be in the tour. Likewise, I also hope they all find the jobs they all deserve to have as it was a talented cast. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 12:52:12 GMT
Also theatre staff at the 3 venues could have lost wages and the venues lose a lot of anticipated revenue. Wolves Grand on their website said the show had pre-sold over 4,000 tickets for it's week there. For a long running tour and in the summer that was a decent return especially as this was a none Kerry week I think.
The show seemed to be doing decent business so something has gone wrong somewhere and if producers keep getting bad reputations then people will refer to this.
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Post by dubbie on Jul 30, 2017 13:08:28 GMT
Sounds like there was a lot on non-financial issues on top of this. The MD tweeted that he was left responsible for printing sign-in sheets for the cast so it seems like a very poorly organised tour.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 30, 2017 13:38:50 GMT
Just been reading a blog about it. No money to buy replacement costumes so they had to be repaired by hand, even socks! Then the cast were asked if they wanted to buy their own costumes, after they'd just been told they were out of a job. Beggars belief really!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 13:47:41 GMT
Just been reading a blog about it. No money to buy replacement costumes so they had to be repaired by hand, even socks! Then the cast were asked if they wanted to buy their own costumes, after they'd just been told they were out of a job. Beggars belief really! Can you link it? |
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Post by firefingers on Jul 30, 2017 14:20:09 GMT
Just been reading a blog about it. No money to buy replacement costumes so they had to be repaired by hand, even socks! Then the cast were asked if they wanted to buy their own costumes, after they'd just been told they were out of a job. Beggars belief really! Can you link it? I'd assume this: mtasambassador.wordpress.com/2017/07/30/producing-wonderland-or-stealing-it/Don't worry Burly Bear, it doesnt identify he who must not be named... Although I wouod say that repairing costumes is normal (socks less so...) as is selling off costume to cast members if you don't intend a future life for a production. I think cast members tweeting they are "skint" is far worse. Coming out of a large scale UK tour "skint" is dire. |
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Post by shady23 on Jul 30, 2017 14:44:18 GMT
After a successful run I'd imagine people may want to buy their costumes but after all this drama? What an insult!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 30, 2017 17:55:48 GMT
Thanks ff, that blogger is clearly as nervous about naming names as I am! Frank Wildhorn must be distraught at all this. He was so genuinely excited about it at his concert in Manchester before the tour started |
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Post by Seriously on Jul 30, 2017 19:41:39 GMT
The Musicians Union have a list of people who you should phone them about before accepting work from them.
I'll give you two guesses...
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Post by Raven on Jul 31, 2017 21:11:23 GMT
Does anyone know where I can get a copy of "Wonderland (Alice's New Musical Adventure)"? It's the concept album prior to the Broadway cast recording and still has most of the original Broadway cast featured. I'm struggling to find a reputable seller online and remember someone on here said they had bought one quite easily on here but can't find the original post.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 0:48:34 GMT
Show did seem a bit random with several of the cast doing 6 out of 8 shows a week and often on as different roles. If you wanted to see a certain combo then it was also get on twitter and ask. My biggest sympathy would be with the ensemble and younger cast members who are owed money.
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Post by shady23 on Aug 1, 2017 7:27:26 GMT
Yes there was lots of a cast member tweeting they were on certain shows and the official twitter posting something else. For instance they told me Rachel wasn't doing the York matinee so I didn't go. Turns out she was always booked to do that show. Annoying.
This could be interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 8:50:30 GMT
Show did seem a bit random with several of the cast doing 6 out of 8 shows a week and often on as different roles. If you wanted to see a certain combo then it was also get on twitter and ask. My biggest sympathy would be with the ensemble and younger cast members who are owed money. And the musicians, engineers, crew, costumiers, etc. And the freelancers not on contracts involved in the production, such as engineers who come to break the show down, pack it in a truck and then put it into the next theatre. And the transport companies who provide the haulage of the show around the country. And many many more individuals and organisations. All of these people are owed money, most of them without firm confirmation that they will get paid. |
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Post by shady23 on Aug 2, 2017 15:32:30 GMT
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Post by bren on Aug 11, 2017 15:05:32 GMT
Forgot to post my thoughts on this. I thought it was a delight. The plot was threadbare, and there were some silly superfluous moments, but I thought the songs were catchy and the cast did their utmost with the material. The set was decent and the costumes impressive.
Kerry Ellis has a fantastic voice. Wendi Peters was super too- she's got a great stage presence.
We had the understudy as the Mad Hatter, Francesca (I think) and her voice was incredible.
There were a few technical faults (the show had to be stopped three times) due to a malfunctioning 'looking glass'.
Having read some of the reviews here, I almost didn't buy tickets but I found it thoroughly enjoyable and it was definitely one of the most joyful things I've seen this year.
The crowd was modest but people seemed to have really enjoyed it.
As for this sorry premature end to the tour, it's awful to read. Such a shame for the cast and those who had bought tickets for the rest of the tour.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 11:54:39 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 19, 2017 12:17:45 GMT
Oh dear. Bitter?
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Post by tommy123 on Aug 19, 2017 12:18:56 GMT
I think she deserves to be bitter! I know I would be if I was made redundant and also had not been paid for my work! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 12:27:08 GMT
Bitter for being treated like sh*t?? I can't blame her personally but you do you. Tis a shame the cast probably aren't allowed legally to say anything about the goings on, cause based on some of their tweets, they wanna say soooo much. And deservedly so, he who shall not be named deserves to be called out on what he has done in my eye. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 19, 2017 12:31:20 GMT
If she's got a complaint about something, go tell the people concerned. Otherwise keep it zipped. It's not cute venting all over the Internet.
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Post by crabtree on Aug 19, 2017 13:24:07 GMT
Well, I don't know, Burly, it is good to be warned of suspect goings on in the business. I designed a big panto a few years back, with decent names, and sure enough after a few shows, the leading man walked as he had not been paid, nor had any of us received a penny. Then there was a fire in the theatre and the costumes mysteriously ripped, but still no money, and nowt we could do. It happens, but it happens all too often, when things are not right from the start.
Just as I was asked to write a big feature film script. Two years ago I delivered the script, which they love, and I am still waiting for even a single penny. It's hard to trust people, these days, and especially all the jobs on the legit pages that advertise jobs with no pay, but will be good for the CV. How dare they!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 17:52:52 GMT
If she's got a complaint about something, go tell the people concerned. Otherwise keep it zipped. It's not cute venting all over the Internet. It's a free country, she doesn't owe the producers anything, she's entitled to say what she likes (and let's face it, twitter is partly made for venting). Why should she be required to be any more loyal to them than they clearly were to her? |
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