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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 8:34:30 GMT
People come from different cultural frames of reference. It doesn't mean they're stupid, it doesn't even mean they're ignorant. Damian Lewis may have been in the West End within the last two years but I had to google to figure out which play you meant. Considering I actually saw American Buffalo and completely forgot it even existed, I don't know why you're assuming that every person who likes theatre would remember it whether they saw it or not. Especially as you don't know when someone became interested enough in theatre to attend regularly and chat about it online, we're not all Michael Billington, having been attending since the dawn of time. Some of us are even *gasp* quite young. Also there are more TV shows and films and ways to watch them than there have ever been before, but we still have only 24 hours in the day. Just because Netflix exists doesn't mean people have the time or inclination to get involved. It is perfectly possible to have gaps in your knowledge, just as it is perfectly possible to accept that someone has gaps in their knowledge without having to get up on your high horse and sneer at them. Give it a try some time, if nothing else you'll at least be able to save a couple of minutes here and there by letting a conversation lie rather than taking the time out to be all superior because *you* know a thing and therefore can't quite comprehend that someone else might *not* know the thing.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 27, 2017 8:34:37 GMT
This forum is for everyone with any kind of interest in theatre, even just a passing one. No qualifications are needed, no-one "needs to broaden their horizons". @parsley's comments just show how pretentious some theatre fans can be.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Mar 27, 2017 8:38:36 GMT
I didn't say that I don't know who Damian Lewis is, I said that I didn't know how famous he was. There is a difference, it's not like every appreciated actor is famous. MrBunbury yes |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 8:48:12 GMT
I didn't say that I don't know who Damian Lewis is, I said that I didn't know how famous he was. There is a difference, it's not like every appreciated actor is famous. Yes, isn't the original point that "for this kind of play" we want to see good casting? Not a parade of some celeb? And a celeb would in fact distract us from the play, even if they were a good enough actor in this play. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:18:32 GMT
People come from different cultural frames of reference. It doesn't mean they're stupid, it doesn't even mean they're ignorant. Damian Lewis may have been in the West End within the last two years but I had to google to figure out which play you meant. Considering I actually saw American Buffalo and completely forgot it even existed, I don't know why you're assuming that every person who likes theatre would remember it whether they saw it or not. Especially as you don't know when someone became interested enough in theatre to attend regularly and chat about it online, we're not all Michael Billington, having been attending since the dawn of time. Some of us are even *gasp* quite young. Also there are more TV shows and films and ways to watch them than there have ever been before, but we still have only 24 hours in the day. Just because Netflix exists doesn't mean people have the time or inclination to get involved. It is perfectly possible to have gaps in your knowledge, just as it is perfectly possible to accept that someone has gaps in their knowledge without having to get up on your high horse and sneer at them. Give it a try some time, if nothing else you'll at least be able to save a couple of minutes here and there by letting a conversation lie rather than taking the time out to be all superior because *you* know a thing and therefore can't quite comprehend that someone else might *not* know the thing. Or people can learn from others with more knowledge To fill in the gaps Rather than leave the gaps there It's called education!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:20:17 GMT
This forum is for everyone with any kind of interest in theatre, even just a passing one. No qualifications are needed, no-one "needs to broaden their horizons". @parsley 's comments just show how pretentious some theatre fans can be. Knowledge is often confused with pretension Particularly by those who don't know There is a subtle difference |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 27, 2017 9:25:10 GMT
No-one is denying your knowledge @parsley but that's not a reason to belittle people who don't possess as much knowledge as you. There are other equally well informed and even better informed people here and they don't find it necessary to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:30:56 GMT
Anything else aside Damian Lewis has performed in the WE within the last 2 year He was okay to poor in American Buffalo if that's what you mean. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:32:24 GMT
Education is when you share knowledge. Pretention is when you lord it over everyone as a marker of your superiority.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 9:33:42 GMT
He was okay to poor in American Buffalo if that's what you mean. I say this in the spirit of sharing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 10:06:38 GMT
I didn't say that I don't know who Damian Lewis is, I said that I didn't know how famous he was. There is a difference, it's not like every appreciated actor is famous. MrBunbury yes Yes and I was not directing my post personally towards you either! Apologies if this is how it came across But there was a general "flavour" in this thread that as this production does not star a BBC soap opera star that is it somehow less worthy and that the tickets prices are not justified and that really annoyed me This is a very different discussion and I do not wish to digress too much But if David Tennant had starred in this, would it become more objectively worthy and become worth £115 per ticket? I think not! I agree that not every appreciated actor is famous and public perception is quite a different matter and varies on context... People flocked to the Palladium Panto As the average person in the street probably considered that cast to be very starry Although they are well known and get much media coverage One could argue most of them lack credibility And now they are discounting Amanda Holden in a much smaller venue! So there are many factors at play re: cast, the actual show, setting, venue etc. Obviously the producers think the cast have considerable acting talent- but perhaps they have misjudged the "star" value of the leads and the show will be a flop on this basis.... Although Lewis has won an Emmy and Golden Globe, he does not seek media attention in the way that many lesser British actors do and perhaps now we see that this has been to his detriment particularly in relation to commercial theatre and his public profile As I also mentioned Sophie Okonedo has several internationally recognised awards or nominations under her belt for the small screen, as well as film work She won best actress at the RTS only last week (where ironically Ant and Dec also picked up an award!) I am not saying these are are definitive marker of success- but surely they at least act as a pointer that these are serious actors well respected by the theatre and film industry and there is an assumption that this translates, at least in part, to public awareness Perhaps what we are really saying, is that in the mainstream WE talent is not enough and perhaps if Ant and Dec starred in this play it would be playing to packed houses happy to pay £200 a time... Who knows! I wonder if the Times has misjudged also given their headline for the interview being "The hottest couple in the West End" www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-was-so-affected-by-the-part-it-left-a-little-cloud-over-me-mp2n3flk6 |
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Post by bellboard27 on Mar 27, 2017 21:07:18 GMT
Well that's one hell of an odd play. Some good laughs in act 2 but overall not one I'll probably see again. Performances not bad and will bed in.
Note that TRH website says 90 mins no interval. At theatre sign says 1h 50 mins no interval. Tonight it ran for 1h 55.
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Post by callum on Mar 27, 2017 21:12:21 GMT
When a play is 1h55 I think it needs an interval.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Mar 27, 2017 22:05:36 GMT
Time flew by for me tonight. What a thought-provoking piece. Feels very strong to me already. I was not at all prepared for Sophie Okonedo's final entrance. Given everything that had come before it, I found it utterly shocking and horrifyingly moving. Lots of laughter - most justified, but some people seemed to find too much near the end funny. Yes, it's loaded with deliciously dark humour but I'll remember this as being like a Greek tragedy. Loved it.
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Post by lonlad on Mar 28, 2017 7:31:16 GMT
Definitely a Greek tragedy, the word tragedy having itself meant "goat song" in ancient Greek. Bill Pullman's performance on Bway in the original one of the greatest I have ever seen. Fingers cautiously crossed for this one.
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Post by Boob on Mar 28, 2017 14:46:46 GMT
Excellently put, Spicey.
In the crazy world of TV, we actually have research-based audience appreciation charts for actors. So, for example, you know that if you put X in Y, you have a bit of draw. And that often has very little to do with talent.
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Post by duncan on Mar 28, 2017 15:41:22 GMT
This forum is for everyone with any kind of interest in theatre, even just a passing one. No qualifications are needed, no-one "needs to broaden their horizons". @parsley 's comments just show how pretentious some theatre fans can be. Knowledge is often confused with pretension Particularly by those who don't know There is a subtle difference Acting like a Tw*t is acting like a Tw*t.
There is no difference.
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 28, 2017 15:41:30 GMT
The prices for this are high aren't they? Have to give it a miss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 17:10:14 GMT
Knowledge is often confused with pretension Particularly by those who don't know There is a subtle difference Acting like a Tw*t is acting like a Tw*t.
There is no difference.
Coming from the expert |
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Post by lynette on Mar 28, 2017 17:52:32 GMT
Play nice boys
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Post by MrBunbury on Mar 29, 2017 10:40:34 GMT
I saw it yesterday and I must admit that it left me rather cold. Sophie Okonedo is great and the real star of the show, but overall I was a bit disappointed by the play. It did not help that the usher was chatting up a woman just outside the gallery during the performance...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 22:04:29 GMT
Five stars from Biddy
Such weird arse licking patterns
I wonder what goes on in his head?
3 stars from the Telegraph
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Post by lonlad on Apr 5, 2017 22:42:39 GMT
Why is it that Damian Lewis can do American accents very well on TV and film, as we know, but has no clue onstage - first as Teach in AMERICAN BUFFALO and now in this, in which he speaks in a pinched, nasal stage whisper that only drops when the character gets angry. Thank God for Sophie Okonedo, who is terrific, but none of the men in her orbit give her much to work with. And the PJ Harvey music has got to go.
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Post by stefy69 on Apr 6, 2017 7:00:08 GMT
Mixed reviews in this morning's papers for this the highlight : 5 stars from The Guardian.
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Post by lynette on Apr 6, 2017 19:50:55 GMT
If you are working in film presumably you can repeat a scene or a sentence and maybe the voice coach is there or on end of phone. Just saying.
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