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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 1:43:12 GMT
If you can drive at 17 I feel you should be able to vote. I'd be happy to up car driving age to 18 but reduce voting age to 17 as a compromise.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 27, 2024 11:34:04 GMT
What's causing your displeasure Parsley? It’s like asking me to drink wee or eat Pooh I prefer to do neither And a comment on the national service What a JOKE We already did this once a week at school anyway, helping out old people, running errands, volunteering And in a nation where they can’t even get parents to vaccinate their children A politically correct joke of a country The likelihood of national service is as likely as an MP modelling for Chanel No I wouldn’t want to do that. Not sure that is the only option though. You just would like better options? |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 27, 2024 11:36:22 GMT
There is nothing wrong with young people volunteering or engaging with their communities, but this is not the way to do it. It isn't even a practical plan that can be easily mobilised. It's a costly endeavour that will require major restructuring of our services, and remove young people from many jobs in which they're already working, such as customer service for example, in a country with a population which cannot sustain this kind of undertaking. Young people may seem to be "glued to their phones", but so what? In today's society and economy you need to be connected to what is going on in the world. Volunteering isn't going to stop young people from using social media or messaging their friends. And in fact such networking has become key to the development of many businesses. This is all just the "Back in my day we WALKED to school, uphill - both ways!" crowd showing their indignance that the world has changed and they haven't changed with it. He he. Really made me laugh the ‘uphill both ways’ oh you’re the lucky one line |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 27, 2024 14:08:53 GMT
For the first time ever, I don't know how to vote.
Normally I am very clear. Spoiling my paper might be the only option
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2024 14:28:53 GMT
This Tory government having been in 14 years has not done a lot of policies which change things. Regardless of what we all thought of Maggie and Tony Blair they did some distinct policies and left their legacy. We had 7 years of minority or coalition government, a couple with a wafer thin Tory majority. When they got a working majority we had the pandemic then 3 PMs in 3 months.
Eishi looks as if he has called quits or feels he would not have got his bills through in the 6 months he had left. There were a large number of Tory MPs who had decided to stand down so they could easily have gone rogue on how they voted with no fear of reprisals.
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Post by Jan on May 28, 2024 8:58:24 GMT
This is the first election in my lifetime where sectarian politics are playing a role in England. There were historical periods where this was the case and of course it continues in Northern Ireland and Scotland to some extent.
Consider this. Here’s George Galloway MP and party leader: “Gay relationships are not as normal as a mum, a dad and kids” and “I’m strongly opposed to abortion”. These views though, which you could characterise as “far right” are not a threat at all to the Conservatives, he’ll get no switchers from their socially Conservative wing, they are a threat instead to the left wing of the Labour Party. Indeed it is quite feasible he’ll get so many Labour switchers he’ll be able to unseat their deputy leader Angela Rayner. “Left” and “Right” don’t work as categories any more.
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Post by hannechalk on May 28, 2024 10:07:51 GMT
Nearly 28 years in this country - always worked, paid tax and NI, haven't claimed benefits, abide by the laws of the UK, contributed to economy and community.
And I'm not allowed to vote in general elections.
It still doesn't sit quite right with me.
When people qualify for indefinite leave to remain, they should be allowed to vote.
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Post by Jan on May 28, 2024 10:38:13 GMT
Nearly 28 years in this country - always worked, paid tax and NI, haven't claimed benefits, abide by the laws of the UK, contributed to economy and community. And I'm not allowed to vote in general elections. It still doesn't sit quite right with me. When people qualify for indefinite leave to remain, they should be allowed to vote. That is quite common though (that you can vote in local elections but not national elections), it is the same for UK citizens with leave to remain in Germany for example - this applied even when UK was in the EU. Some countries don't even allow their own nationals to vote unless they are actually living in the country, Ireland being one I think. I see that only yesterday Starmer U-turned on his "promise" to allow EU citizens to vote in UK general elections. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 28, 2024 11:19:11 GMT
The right to vote being limited to citizens is not an unreasonable position for any nation to take.
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Post by vdcni on May 28, 2024 11:53:15 GMT
Though we allow people from Commonwealth countries to vote even if they have only been here for a short time.
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Post by Jan on May 28, 2024 12:51:25 GMT
Though we allow people from Commonwealth countries to vote even if they have only been here for a short time. And citizens of Ireland even though the right is not reciprocated. |
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Post by parsley1 on May 28, 2024 17:05:09 GMT
Found this pretty inconsiderate
Unnecessary and pretty brainless behaviour
“Due to the announcement of the General Election on Thursday 4 July, we’ve moved the press night for SKELETON CREW to Wednesday 3 July. We’re very sorry for the inconvenience, but this means that we will need to move your tickets from 3 July to another date”
Max inconvenience to patrons as always
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 19:30:19 GMT
Though we allow people from Commonwealth countries to vote even if they have only been here for a short time. And citizens of Ireland even though the right is not reciprocated. I can understand it with the Commonwealth especially if they are people who relocated here as we had all that scandal with the Windrush generation being threatened with deportation. We have certainly pussyfooted far too much as far as Eire is concerned. People from there should have no right to vote however paly Mr Blair and Corbyn were/are to the provisionals. |
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Post by mkb on May 28, 2024 20:13:21 GMT
Found this pretty inconsiderate Unnecessary and pretty brainless behaviour “Due to the announcement of the General Election on Thursday 4 July, we’ve moved the press night for SKELETON CREW to Wednesday 3 July. We’re very sorry for the inconvenience, but this means that we will need to move your tickets from 3 July to another date” Max inconvenience to patrons as always Definitely one for the bad behaviour thread. I can't think of any reason why (a) theatre critics would not be able to attend on election day, or (b) why reviews would be less likely to be seen on 5 July. If anything, the papers may have a larger circulation that day. |
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Post by jojo on May 29, 2024 9:02:22 GMT
It is rude to change tickets so they can move the press night, but I can understand why they think the media coverage will get lost in election coverage.
I don't know what time the embargo on reviews would end, but assuming the exit poll results are announced at 10pm then that is what people will be talking about for the next few hours, and the next day people will be talking about the actual results. If any big name Tories don't step down before the election we can expect a number of Portillo moments to gossip about.
Meanwhile, actual election day is a strange one for the media, with very strict rules on what can be said that could tenuously be considered political. It's a great time for what might otherwise be considered filler stories.
Whether or not that really matters to people who buy theatre tickets is another thing. Most people who might be interested will look up reviews on the internet. But I do have sympathy with the PR people.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2024 12:20:08 GMT
Election days seem to be lots of news reports about the leaders visiting their polling stations etc. Opinion polls are published right throughout the campaign and ITV especially have the big exit poll which they announce once the polling stations have closed which was seen as a good predictor.
As Jojo says I don't know if what the media can say on polling day is different to say the day before as it may be seen to be "influencing" the result.
I don't see why the press night needs to be moved from 3rd July as a review could go in papers/press on election day.
The Diane Abbott saga seems a right carry on how can the party readmit her but not allow her to stand again? It either has to be one or the other. The Tories readmitted some rebels before the last election but they were long serving MPs who were standing down like Ken Clarke, Nicholas Soames etc. Did Labour readmit Diane hoping she might stand down with the potential offer of a seat in the Lords I wonder.
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Post by jojo on May 29, 2024 12:47:25 GMT
Election days seem to be lots of news reports about the leaders visiting their polling stations etc. Opinion polls are published right throughout the campaign and ITV especially have the big exit poll which they announce once the polling stations have closed which was seen as a good predictor. As Jojo says I don't know if what the media can say on polling day is different to say the day before as it may be seen to be "influencing" the result. I don't see why the press night needs to be moved from 3rd July as a review could go in papers/press on election day. The Diane Abbott saga seems a right carry on how can the party readmit her but not allow her to stand again? It either has to be one or the other. The Tories readmitted some rebels before the last election but they were long serving MPs who were standing down like Ken Clarke, Nicholas Soames etc. Did Labour readmit Diane hoping she might stand down with the potential offer of a seat in the Lords I wonder. The press night is moving TO 3rd July from 4th. The person who has tickets on 3rd July is being moved as a result. There are rules on what can be said to ensure balance get increasingly strict as the election approaches. It's absolutely against the rules to have any opinion polls on the day of the election itself, and there will be people with stop-watches to ensure coverage of leader visits to polling stations are given equal weight. They try to avoid it, but if they mention one candidate in any constituency they have to mention them all, which is a pain for them, and tedious for us. The Dogs at Polling Stations phenomenon began as a result. The BBC wanted to cover the existence of the election, but doing anything that linked to a particular party of candidate was a massive headache, so they started featuring coverage of dogs (without rosettes) at polling stations. Then 10 O'Clock hits, and there will be endless discussion of the exit polls, followed by coverage of school kids running into sports halls with ballot boxes, and promises of announcements coming soon, returning officers padding their part, then John Curtice looking smug about his predictions being supernaturally accurate. |
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Post by jojo on May 29, 2024 12:50:14 GMT
The Diane Abbott saga seems a right carry on how can the party readmit her but not allow her to stand again? It either has to be one or the other. The Tories readmitted some rebels before the last election but they were long serving MPs who were standing down like Ken Clarke, Nicholas Soames etc. Did Labour readmit Diane hoping she might stand down with the potential offer of a seat in the Lords I wonder. That seems to be the presumption, and explains why it has taken so long to investigate her case. Maybe not a seat in the Lords, although I wouldn't rule it out. She's old enough that a planned retirement is credible and saves face all round. As it stands it seems she's not (yet) been banned from standing, but someone leaked it, and it's likely Labour will want someone with less baggage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2024 14:19:54 GMT
Sir John Curtice is always an interesting listen and tends to have a good handle on what will happen IMO.
I wonder if any party would complain if their leader got a bit less coverage than another. The full list of candidates is often shown on screen or read out by the newsreader/reporter at any by elections. But I don't know if they have to do that for every seat they visit in a general election once the candidates are confirmed.
Diane Abbott whilst I'm not fan of personally or her politics to put it politely I can appreciate that she is probably a very good constituency MP who has been in place for 37 years and has a big personal following. So if she does do what Jeremy Corbyn will do and stand as an independent she will get a significant personal vote and I'd guess Galloway's party wouldn't stand against her.
Diane with her length of service as an MP and the lack of bame people in the House of Lords would be a no brainer choice to be offered a seat in there IMO. But whether with her political viewpoint she'd accept one I don't know.
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Post by jojo on May 29, 2024 14:33:11 GMT
I agree that regardless of your personal politics, there would be a place for Abbott in the House of Lords, if she were willing. But I think there would need to be a period of calm after standing down for the nomination to work.
I don't think her comments were unforgiveable, but for someone as experienced as her to make such a mistake can't be brushed under the carpet. It would look very bad if the conclusion of the inquiry were to appear to be the reward of a place in the House of Lords.
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2024 14:51:54 GMT
At 70, I wonder if actually it's time for Diane Abbott to stand down and enjoy retirement.
Corbyn will probably be the MP of Islington North until he literally drops dead.
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Post by n1david on May 29, 2024 16:35:20 GMT
Could the Donmar be planning a surprise revival of The Vote on the evening of July 4th? (Almost certainly not, but I'm always up for starting a rumour...)
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 29, 2024 16:40:39 GMT
Personally I would put an upper limit on the ages of those seeking to stand as MPs.
70 at the date of the election is as old as I would set it. That way we wouldn't have any MPs over the age of 75.
Similarly I would have an upper age limit for peers. 80 would not be unreasonable there. After that point they would retain their titles but lose voting rights.
We have lower limits so upper limits are not unfair.
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Post by Jon on May 29, 2024 16:49:03 GMT
Personally I would put an upper limit on the ages of those seeking to stand as MPs. 70 at the date of the election is as old as I would set it. That way we wouldn't have any MPs over the age of 75. Similarly I would have an upper age limit for peers. 80 would not be unreasonable there. After that point they would retain their titles but lose voting rights. We have lower limits so upper limits are not unfair. I always thought Dennis Skinner should have retired before the 2019 election as his health was declining and I suspect had he hung on, he would have had to retire at this election. |
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Post by aspieandy on May 29, 2024 18:28:39 GMT
I've been without a mobile signal for a week and returned home to find I have the choice between voting for the Labour Party candidate or Jeremy Corbyn.
I'd pretty well given up activism but this is too surreal to not be out there doorknocking in Islington North!
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