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Post by marob on May 24, 2024 20:05:48 GMT
Much as I have my reservations over Starmer, I really hope he doesn’t end up doing a Kinnock.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 20:12:47 GMT
Galloway's party taking Angela Rayner's seat would be my dream moment. The Tory big guns falling in 97 was fun for a lot of people, Balls in 2015 and Clegg losing to a future crook in 2017 amused me.
I did feel sorry when Dennis Skinner lost his seat in 2019.
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Post by zahidf on May 24, 2024 21:07:56 GMT
Galloway's party taking Angela Rayner's seat would be my dream moment. The Tory big guns falling in 97 was fun for a lot of people, Balls in 2015 and Clegg losing to a future crook in 2017 amused me. I did feel sorry when Dennis Skinner lost his seat in 2019. Hope not, Galloway is a horrible person who dossnt think gay relationships are natural Fingers crossed on Truss or Mogg being humiliated on election night |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 24, 2024 21:16:22 GMT
There is no clear path for a Tory election victory, they might pick up some reform votes if they have a flight going to Rwanda, but no way to win an election. They're going to get obliterated along with the SNP, there will be no hung parliament. The right wing Conservatives are going over to the dreadful Reform party and the moderate Tories going to Labour/Liberal Democrats. I could even see a path for the Liberals Democrats to become a the official opposition. Labour targets seats are not Liberal Democrats and vice versa, they are all Conservatives and so with Liberals/Labour working together, it is not in each other interests to stand on each others toes and with tactical voting, it is very possible that the Liberals could form the opposition. www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labourwww.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democratEven in 1997 when the Tories were pretty much wiped out the Liberals only picked up 46 seats to the Tories 165. The most seats the LD have won in recent years is 62 in 2005. They currently have 15 seats so even if they take back some they lost to the Tories in recent years and those long standing Scottish seats that the SNP won in 15,17 and 19. I'd be surprised if they had more than 35 to 40 seats. They should get back 3rd party status from SNP but to get into official opposition they would need to increase their current seats by 1000%. Also the first past the post system has never favoured the LD often their number of seats wasn't much more than their share of the vote even when it was a very respectable 20% plus. Firstly I didn’t say that the Liberals would be the official opposition, merely that there is a path for that to happen, if Labour and Liberals worked together and not compete for the same seat, I also said that mps would quit the weekend and this has happened today, especially with Gove (Surrey Heath) and Harper (Tunbridge Wells) both seats where Liberals are very competitive in. So what I am saying is that Liberals and Labour not to compete with each others and pour their resources in fighting the Tories. They might have to form a coalition after all. Opinion polls on Sunday will be very very telling. Sunak saying the Labour would costs families £2000 a year, this sounds more desperate than pertinent. Wasn’t Rishi in Belfast today, outside the Titanic exhibition? |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 24, 2024 21:18:49 GMT
Galloway's party taking Angela Rayner's seat would be my dream moment. The Tory big guns falling in 97 was fun for a lot of people, Balls in 2015 and Clegg losing to a future crook in 2017 amused me. I did feel sorry when Dennis Skinner lost his seat in 2019. Hope not, Galloway is a horrible person who dossnt think gay relationships are natural Fingers crossed on Truss or Mogg being humiliated on election night Truss (Lady Jane Grey) won’t, but Mogg will, he might see sense and quit, but intelligence isn’t his strong suit. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 22:56:27 GMT
Truss - Lady Jane Grey made me laugh.
I think Sir Kier is a far shrewder politician than windbag Kinnock was. How he was able to have a second shot at winning an election I don't know. It wouldn't happen nowadays.
Mogg with his money I thought might have stepped down but might still harbour political ambitions. A lot of Tories have been clearly looking elsewhere for jobs with so many not standing or those that need to work were.
I'd imagine Sir Kier might be quite a good PM for the arts and theatre. When so many in the industry were packing his predecessor JC it always made me wonder if they had any idea what JC's attitude to their sector was?
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Post by zahidf on May 24, 2024 23:23:00 GMT
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Post by Jon on May 24, 2024 23:26:19 GMT
There's little to no chance Galloway's party wins Ashton upon Lyne mostly because they are essentially a bunch of grifters.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2024 1:24:23 GMT
There is a story doing the rounds he called a July election because he wants his children to go to school in the US and they start back in late August. I guess if there is some truth in this he'd quit as leader as soon as the election is over and likely resign as an MP and family relocate to or live in the US. There is no need for continuity or a constitutional issue if he is the opposition leader only on July 5th. He could just resign as party leader and quit as an MP at the same time. His seat is a farming area which has always been Tory and even had 10k majority in the 1997 Labour landslide so I'm guessing he'll retain his seat however briefly that may be for. |
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Post by lynette on May 26, 2024 10:22:23 GMT
Not that easy to enrol in schools but I expect he knows people who know people, eh?
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 26, 2024 11:46:44 GMT
Not that easy to enrol in schools but I expect he knows people who know people, eh? Thats why he's taken the day off, to ensure the staff complete the visa forms and schools applications correctly #adminday |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 17:03:59 GMT
The National Service plan although limited to 30k people and this community volunteering seems like another Rishi own goal. People will be looking to get out of it and if some get exemptions then others will try for them too.
Also why was Rishi campaigning in Belfast when the Tories don't field candidates in NI?
Never knew people from Eire who live in England get a vote in our election. I don't see why that is allowed Eire is another country just like say France!
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Post by vdcni on May 26, 2024 17:10:41 GMT
The 30k is the number who can take part in the military aspect, other 18 year olds are expected to take part in the volunteering part. Which appears to be mandatory but with no penalties for not doing it.
Amusingly the government responded to a question about it a few days ago saying they had no plans for National Service and pointing out the flaws in the idea. So another well thought out plan by Sunak.
Young people don't seem particularly interested but then this isn't aimed at them, it's a policy designed to appeal to older voters.
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Post by sph on May 26, 2024 17:13:35 GMT
The National Service plan is a ridiculous idea to pander to the older conservatives they're afraid of losing - the ones with the WWII fetish who never did national service themselves and think that the "youth of today" need "teaching a lesson" etc.
Mind boggling considering the mess that today's young people are walking into as young adults. Housing? Cost of living? An underfunded NHS under excessive pressures? High tuition fees having just lost two years of their education to Covid? And now they have to join the army or give up weekends when they could be studying or working?
Young people stayed home for almost two years of their lives while the Tories were having parties and they have the nerve to lecture them on doing their "national service"? I hope they get wiped out completely come July.
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Post by anthony40 on May 26, 2024 17:45:35 GMT
As a general rule of thumb I tend to steer away from political discussions and even if I did, personal and professional reasons prevent me from doing so.
What I do hope though is that everyone who is eligible to do so, regardless of how disillusioned you may feel, takes advantage of the opportunity to place their vote and that whatever political party is successful, listen, to the concerns of their constituents and fulfil their pledges.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 18:40:14 GMT
Well said Anthony, regardless of who anyone supports I always say the most important thing is to use your vote. If you don't please then don't start moaning about things.
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Post by parsley1 on May 26, 2024 19:25:53 GMT
I am distressed as don’t feel I can vote for any party
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Post by crowblack on May 26, 2024 20:37:26 GMT
Young people don't seem particularly interested but then this isn't aimed at them, it's a policy designed to appeal to older voters. A BBC vox pop of youngsters at a pop festival today indicated some of them were into the idea. It's akin to something private schools do with CCF, St John's ambulance volunteering and the like, with the aim of building confidence and experience. In an age when so many teenagers I know are glued to their phones or computer games with their heads in cyberspace I think something that got them engaged outside and in their communities could be a good thing. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 26, 2024 20:43:42 GMT
As a general rule of thumb I tend to steer away from political discussions and even if I did, personal and professional reasons prevent me from doing so. What I do hope though is that everyone who is eligible to do so, regardless of how disillusioned you may feel, takes advantage of the opportunity to place their vote and that whatever political party is successful, listen, to the concerns of their constituents and fulfil their pledges. I always 'vote' or visit the polling station, just I very rarely put a cross in the box. Every election from town council up to general election. But still want to show my displeasure of the candidates and parties if I do not want to vote for anybody |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 26, 2024 20:45:46 GMT
I am distressed as don’t feel I can vote for any party 😔 What's causing your displeasure Parsley? |
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Post by marob on May 26, 2024 22:21:29 GMT
I’m hardly the most politically engaged person but I saw a woman on TV the other day who didn’t even know who Rishi Sunak is. And another who said they should get Boris back because he did a good job during Covid. 😧
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Post by sph on May 26, 2024 22:34:46 GMT
There is nothing wrong with young people volunteering or engaging with their communities, but this is not the way to do it. It isn't even a practical plan that can be easily mobilised. It's a costly endeavour that will require major restructuring of our services, and remove young people from many jobs in which they're already working, such as customer service for example, in a country with a population which cannot sustain this kind of undertaking.
Young people may seem to be "glued to their phones", but so what? In today's society and economy you need to be connected to what is going on in the world. Volunteering isn't going to stop young people from using social media or messaging their friends. And in fact such networking has become key to the development of many businesses.
This is all just the "Back in my day we WALKED to school, uphill - both ways!" crowd showing their indignance that the world has changed and they haven't changed with it.
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Post by parsley1 on May 26, 2024 23:12:10 GMT
I am distressed as don’t feel I can vote for any party 😔 What's causing your displeasure Parsley? It’s like asking me to drink wee or eat Pooh I prefer to do neither And a comment on the national service What a JOKE We already did this once a week at school anyway, helping out old people, running errands, volunteering And in a nation where they can’t even get parents to vaccinate their children A politically correct joke of a country The likelihood of national service is as likely as an MP modelling for Chanel |
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Post by parsley1 on May 26, 2024 23:12:47 GMT
There is nothing wrong with young people volunteering or engaging with their communities, but this is not the way to do it. It isn't even a practical plan that can be easily mobilised. It's a costly endeavour that will require major restructuring of our services, and remove young people from many jobs in which they're already working, such as customer service for example, in a country with a population which cannot sustain this kind of undertaking. Young people may seem to be "glued to their phones", but so what? In today's society and economy you need to be connected to what is going on in the world. Volunteering isn't going to stop young people from using social media or messaging their friends. And in fact such networking has become key to the development of many businesses. This is all just the "Back in my day we WALKED to school, uphill - both ways!" crowd showing their indignance that the world has changed and they haven't changed with it. Very well expressed 👍🏽 |
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Post by Phantom of London on May 26, 2024 23:46:36 GMT
Compulsory National Service which is eh unenforceable.
However I am warming to the idea of 16-17 being able to vote after hearing several callers of that age to LBC, all being very intelligent and lucid. Well conversely you see Mr & Mrs Slob that can vote, but just don’t - thankfully.
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