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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 2, 2023 6:56:00 GMT
I see the age guidance is 16+ on the Barbican website which I find astonishing given the content of that song. The idea of children of 16, or younger ones passing for 16 (assuming that the Barbican actually bothers to check this) hearing those lyrics is shocking.
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 16:10:10 GMT
I see the age guidance is 16+ on the Barbican website which I find astonishing given the content of that song. The idea of children of 16, or younger ones passing for 16 (assuming that the Barbican actually bothers to check this) hearing those lyrics is shocking. I think the older patron is going to struggle with it more than younger visitors... |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 2, 2023 16:17:50 GMT
I know kids are exposed to pornography via their phones these days but that doesn’t make it desirable or right. That song is most definitely pornographic in a particularly nasty way.
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 16:26:43 GMT
I know kids are exposed to pornography via their phones these days but that doesn’t make it desirable or right. That song is most definitely pornographic in a particularly nasty way. I am no fan of smut, but it is one song taken out of the context of the show here. The fact they have put an age suggestion on it means they are least warning people in advance to check to see if the material is 'fit' for their consumption. |
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Post by shownut on Apr 2, 2023 16:40:31 GMT
I know kids are exposed to pornography via their phones these days but that doesn’t make it desirable or right. That song is most definitely pornographic in a particularly nasty way. I am no fan of smut, but it is one song taken out of the context of the show here. The fact they have put an age suggestion on it means they are least warning people in advance to check to see if the material is 'fit' for their consumption. I agree with you, intoanewlife. While the content of the song is beyond disturbing (I skip this track. as once was enough to get the point), it does set up the arc of what follows in terms of where the character goes. I would also agree the same point could be made with less controversial material but, as the author has won every prize under the sun, including the Pulitzer for this musical, far-be-it-from me to suggest he should have done otherwise. |
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 17:29:34 GMT
I am no fan of smut, but it is one song taken out of the context of the show here. The fact they have put an age suggestion on it means they are least warning people in advance to check to see if the material is 'fit' for their consumption. I agree with you, intoanewlife. While the content of the song is beyond disturbing (I skip this track. as once was enough to get the point), it does set up the arc of what follows in terms of where the character goes. I would also agree the same point could be made with less controversial material but, as the author has won every prize under the sun, including the Pulitzer for this musical, far-be-it-from me to suggest he should have done otherwise. I mean, The Prince of Egypt is meant to be a 'children's' show (and film) and yet it's perfectly fine for them to witness the murder of every first born male baby in the village in that because you know God n all... People should be checking into what they are going to see first, so you can't blame the show itself and the age warnings are in place for a reason. I know nothing about it other than the general premise and don't usually look into shows before I see them as I tend to delve into them a little deeper afterwards if I enjoyed them. But if it's only one moment in the show and the catalyst in the story, then shocking or not I doubt it'll worry me too much. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 2, 2023 17:54:45 GMT
Comparing Prince of Egypt to that song is possibly one of the most bizarre things I’ve read on this forum, and that is certainly saying something. However each to their own.
And if anyone reading is curious about the song Inwood Daddy as a result of this discussion please know before you seek it out, it is shocking.
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Post by apubleed on Apr 2, 2023 18:18:06 GMT
You don't (or shouldn't) win a Pulitzer Prize for following the status quo. The show is genuinely challenging. Some of the negative reaction here reminds me of these lyrics from the song "Interesting" in Far From Heaven, the Musical.
[pretentious gay art dealer]"What is there to say? Your social set is highly interesting. The essence of provincialism. All barking at expressionism without a clue. Which begs the suggestion, there can't be any question why New York is New York and you are you"
Ok, I get people can have their tastes but in my opinion we need to be more open minded to new musicals from New York because otherwise we're going to be stuck with shows like Tammy Faye until an occasional brilliant British work such as Matilda or Standing at the Sky's Edge appears every now and then.
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 18:28:04 GMT
Comparing Prince of Egypt to that song is possibly one of the most bizarre things I’ve read on this forum, and that is certainly saying something. However each to their own. And if anyone reading is curious about the song Inwood Daddy as a result of this discussion please know before you seek it out, it is shocking. How is a describing a sexual act (no matter how explicit) more offensive than murdering new born babies? I believe this description is more than enough warning to put anyone off who would even think of taking a child to see it. Hell-bent on breaking free of his own self-perception, Usher, a young, gay, Black writer who hates his day job, so writes a musical about a young, gay, Black writer who’s writing a musical about a young, gay, Black writer...a strange loop. Usher grapples with desires, identity and instincts he both loves and loathes, all brought to life on stage by a hilarious, straight-talking ensemble. Age guidance: 16+ (Contains explicit language, references to racism and scenes of an adult nature) |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 2, 2023 19:09:56 GMT
You don't (or shouldn't) win a Pulitzer Prize for following the status quo. The show is genuinely challenging. Some of the negative reaction here reminds me of these lyrics from the song "Interesting" in Far From Heaven, the Musical. [pretentious gay art dealer]"What is there to say? Your social set is highly interesting. The essence of provincialism. All barking at expressionism without a clue. Which begs the suggestion, there can't be any question why New York is New York and you are you" Ok, I get people can have their tastes but in my opinion we need to be more open minded to new musicals from New York because otherwise we're going to be stuck with shows like Tammy Faye until an occasional brilliant British work such as Matilda or Standing at the Sky's Edge appears every now and then. My point was not about the content, adult content is fine for an adult audience. In my opinion a 16 year old watching and listening to that song is problematic. I also have a very strong suspicion that the 16+ rule will not be applied because theatres are sh*t at doing that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 19:19:04 GMT
These posts are on the verge of becoming their own strange loop.
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Post by jacob on Apr 2, 2023 19:19:11 GMT
You don't (or shouldn't) win a Pulitzer Prize for following the status quo. The show is genuinely challenging. Some of the negative reaction here reminds me of these lyrics from the song "Interesting" in Far From Heaven, the Musical. [pretentious gay art dealer]"What is there to say? Your social set is highly interesting. The essence of provincialism. All barking at expressionism without a clue. Which begs the suggestion, there can't be any question why New York is New York and you are you" Ok, I get people can have their tastes but in my opinion we need to be more open minded to new musicals from New York because otherwise we're going to be stuck with shows like Tammy Faye until an occasional brilliant British work such as Matilda or Standing at the Sky's Edge appears every now and then. My point was not about the content, adult content is fine for an adult audience. In my opinion a 16 year old watching and listening to that song is problematic. I also have a very strong suspicion that the 16+ rule will not be applied because theatres are sh*t at doing that. 16, ah yes, the age of physical consent but still problematic to be listening to a song about sex |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 2, 2023 19:25:19 GMT
Anyone listening to that song or reading the lyrics will surely understand that it is not just about sex. Anyway I’m tapping out of this discussion because I’ve said my piece. People with the stomach for it will read the lyrics or watch the YouTube and decide for themselves.
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 19:31:12 GMT
I've seen far worse on the average Scruff profile...
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Post by marob on Apr 2, 2023 19:38:32 GMT
I know nothing about this show, but just listened to the song in question out of curiosity. My reaction was ‘this isn’t that bad… oh… oh… ok maybe it is.’ Pretty much on a par with stuff like WAP. Will be interesting to see how people react to the race play element as I think we are in some respects much more touchy about race than they are in America.
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 19:41:46 GMT
as I think we’re much more touchy about race here than they are in America. Gurl... Yes the song is explicit. But reading the lyrics there's a lot going on there and it actually has a pretty legitimate and very relevant point the character/show is trying to make. It is not throwaway smut for the sake of smut. |
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Post by Peter on Apr 2, 2023 20:05:39 GMT
Things I need to google tonight after reading this thread:
- Lyrics to ‘Inwood Daddy’
- Prince of Egypt + killing babies
- WAP
- what a scruff profile is
Wish me luck…
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 2, 2023 20:07:34 GMT
Things I need to google tonight after reading this thread: - Lyrics to ‘Inwood Daddy’ - Prince of Egypt + killing babies - WAP - what a scruff profile is Wish me luck… Thanks you I just spat Coke all over my iMac.... |
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Post by cezbear on Apr 2, 2023 20:46:41 GMT
All inappropriate or not talk aside, is there a whisper of cast for this yet? It's not that far off.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 3, 2023 9:25:26 GMT
Two consenting talking about sex is legal but what about the race issues in the song Inwood daddy - that's what startled me
For the record I love the cast recoding and I can't wait to see something challenging on stage
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 3, 2023 10:22:13 GMT
All inappropriate or not talk aside, is there a whisper of cast for this yet? It's not that far off. Finals were about 4 weeks ago so I'd expect we'll hear something end of the month |
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Post by annette on Apr 6, 2023 0:53:50 GMT
I’m thinking possibly…
Omari Douglas?
Tarinn Callander?
Tyrone Huntley?
Jason Pennycooke?
Matt Henry?
Cleve September?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Apr 6, 2023 2:42:00 GMT
I’m thinking possibly… Omari Douglas? Tarinn Callander? Tyrone Huntley? Jason Pennycooke? Matt Henry? Cleve September? The protagonist is supposed to be overweight but I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these actors in supporting roles |
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Post by annette on Apr 6, 2023 13:05:16 GMT
The protagonist is supposed to be overweight but I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these actors in supporting roles Yes, I saw Jaqueline Spivey in the show on Broadway and being overweight is definitely an important factor of the lead character’s issues.I personally couldn’t think of any UK-based actor of the right age who fit the bill, so I’m guessing we may see a a debut performance for Usher ( I believe ASL was Jaquel’s first professional role). |
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Post by cezbear on Apr 6, 2023 13:13:14 GMT
Billy Nevers? I'm not especially familiar with his physique but I've seen him vocally wanting it. I also thought Waylon Jacobs might have been hinting something recently but definitely the wrong build. Unless of course they want to go the fat suit route, Hairspray style (I'm joking,... I think).
Correcting myself as have just remembered Nevers is in Groundhog Day anyway.
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