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Post by partytentdown on Jun 13, 2016 9:18:41 GMT
So, the site goes live at midday today to register for priority booking. Tickets not actually on sale until November.
If this is anything like Dreamgirls etc, it doesn't mean much - just one of many groups of people allowed to book with higher fees the week before it goes on general on-sale.
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Post by spendleb on Jun 13, 2016 9:34:55 GMT
So, the site goes live at midday today to register for priority booking. Tickets not actually on sale until November. If this is anything like Dreamgirls etc, it doesn't mean much - just one of many groups of people allowed to book with higher fees the week before it goes on general on-sale. Cool, I'll register today!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 9:40:09 GMT
It'll still be Delfont Mackintosh though, right? So fees shouldn't be as bad as Dreamgirls with ATG.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 13, 2016 9:43:05 GMT
I think, that in a world that entered the age of social media, the social media beast that is Hamilton (and it's social media savvy leader in LMM), the fact that it succeeded in that sense (of streaming) makes sense... Still an achievement- but the publicity is largely due to their very smart use of the internet/ social media (nothing wrong with that) I am not saying you're wrong, but as a person who actually runs social media for musicals I see that differently. Obviously having such a "social media star" as LMM is gives you (=your show) extra points but this is not the cure. Lots of other people on Broadway have thousands of followers and are very good in running their own accounts. You just need to have a really outstanding show and only with that you are getting the tripled and quadripled amount of social media publicity. I disagree (you obviosly have a different view point what with your job, and that's okay!) but I still think that there are super high quality shows that don't have this amount of publicity, and it doesn't make them any less great the Hamilton (I'd argue Broadway has seen better in the last 10 years, but it's really just down to opinion). Good quality does not equal social media popularity- heck, look at most pop stars, or most entertainemt icons that make so much money off of social media. Again- I do not dislike Hamilton (I do dislike the craze though), but their capitilizing on social media has a big part in their success- you only need to look as far as last year when it played off-broadway. Sure it was a hard ticket (much like Dear Evan Hansen this year), but it didn't win ANY awards until the craze started months later... (I forget but I think it was the Drama League who RE-nominated them this year, after it lost last year and was not legible again, but Hamilton craze, Amirite?) And as a close follower of Broadway people (granted not all), there are few who have the following/ dedicated fanbase that Lin and Hamilton has now built... I can't name one of the top of my head.. |
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 13, 2016 11:02:39 GMT
Site is up. Not much there except the email sign-up. They seem to have kept 'An American Musical', for now at least.
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Post by Stasia on Jun 13, 2016 11:02:44 GMT
I am not saying you're wrong, but as a person who actually runs social media for musicals I see that differently. Obviously having such a "social media star" as LMM is gives you (=your show) extra points but this is not the cure. Lots of other people on Broadway have thousands of followers and are very good in running their own accounts. You just need to have a really outstanding show and only with that you are getting the tripled and quadripled amount of social media publicity. I disagree (you obviosly have a different view point what with your job, and that's okay!) but I still think that there are super high quality shows that don't have this amount of publicity, and it doesn't make them any less great the Hamilton (I'd argue Broadway has seen better in the last 10 years, but it's really just down to opinion). Good quality does not equal social media popularity- heck, look at most pop stars, or most entertainemt icons that make so much money off of social media. .. I totally agree on "there are high quality shows that don't have that amount of publicity". I was saying that social media savviness of Hamiltone folk just multiplies that publicity they are getting because the show itself is outstanding. Even with all their fanbase Hamilton wouldn't be that popular if it was dull and unappealing. |
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Post by n1david on Jun 13, 2016 11:09:46 GMT
So, the site goes live at midday today to register for priority booking. Tickets not actually on sale until November. If this is anything like Dreamgirls etc, it doesn't mean much - just one of many groups of people allowed to book with higher fees the week before it goes on general on-sale. I think they might be trying to do something different, as they're insisting on lots of info such as address and phone number, not just email address. They say all this is mandatory to stop tickets being bought solely for the purposes of resale. Obviously collecting this info at this stage means nothing, but will be interesting to see what plans they have come November to manage sales to cut out the touts. |
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 13, 2016 11:11:08 GMT
So, the site goes live at midday today to register for priority booking. Tickets not actually on sale until November. If this is anything like Dreamgirls etc, it doesn't mean much - just one of many groups of people allowed to book with higher fees the week before it goes on general on-sale. I think they might be trying to do something different, as they're insisting on lots of info such as address and phone number, not just email address. They say all this is mandatory to stop tickets being bought solely for the purposes of resale. Obviously collecting this info at this stage means nothing, but will be interesting to see what plans they have come November to manage sales to cut out the touts. All valuable data for their future productions! |
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 13, 2016 11:17:50 GMT
I disagree (you obviosly have a different view point what with your job, and that's okay!) but I still think that there are super high quality shows that don't have this amount of publicity, and it doesn't make them any less great the Hamilton (I'd argue Broadway has seen better in the last 10 years, but it's really just down to opinion). Good quality does not equal social media popularity- heck, look at most pop stars, or most entertainemt icons that make so much money off of social media. .. I totally agree on "there are high quality shows that don't have that amount of publicity". I was saying that social media savviness of Hamiltone folk just multiplies that publicity they are getting because the show itself is outstanding. Even with all their fanbase Hamilton wouldn't be that popular if it was dull and unappealing. Well that's up to taste- I really do like Hamilton, I sing along to it on long car rides pretty much every week, I think Lin is really smart with rhymes, and has a few gems there in terms of melodies (though some, I feel, are dull and I skip them since my second listen). I also think the show is overhyped as the greatest musical theatre EVER with no faults. But it's a great show (undoubtably the best this season by miles- but it was weak), and i think it's just the constant media attention that has turned me off maybe a little... And I can't really think of a show that was poor quality but very present on social media to compare- I'll think about it  |
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Post by primitivewallflower on Jun 13, 2016 12:55:21 GMT
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Post by Jon on Jun 13, 2016 13:05:05 GMT
Transfers often take months of planning so I assume the producers decided on the Victoria Palace a long time ago, maybe even before Billy Elliot announced it was closing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:39:05 GMT
Did you get any email after signing up?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 14:10:27 GMT
no, I didn't get a mail
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Post by lou on Jun 13, 2016 14:27:21 GMT
I did via the Delfont Mackintosh site sign up (confirmation) but not via the Hamilton site.
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Post by infofreako on Jun 13, 2016 14:30:02 GMT
No confirmation from the Hamilton sign up site
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Post by 49thand8th on Jun 13, 2016 14:32:46 GMT
And I can't really think of a show that was poor quality but very present on social media to compare- I'll think about it Something Rotten? |
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Post by Steffi on Jun 13, 2016 14:48:04 GMT
No confirmation from the Hamilton site but got one when signing up through Delfont.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 13, 2016 15:00:30 GMT
Boring piece with little analysis or depth. His rational is a copy and paste of what every single forum member has been saying here for months. Not a revolution or a revelation, if you will. I'm not in disagreement in the sense that there REALLY is no way to guarantee equal success, but his arguments are really not coming from anyone who has studied this well and don't sound like it's from any authority figure on the topic or a person who can articulate popular culture trends (and I specifically say popular culture, because Hamilton has already surprised basic theatre fandom). Also: Hip-hop hasn't bubbled up from our streets and our subcultures as it did in the States, and its colourblind casting, a reclamation of American history and a reminder that America's heritage is rooted in immigration, won't resonate in quite the same way.I don't know if I agree with him on that. He sounds pretty sheltered. |
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Post by n1david on Jun 13, 2016 15:18:08 GMT
So do you think when it opens Hamilton will be an October Symphony?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 15:31:02 GMT
Sure, it won't *resonate* in the same way, like shows about the Civil Rights movement don't *resonate* in the same way (and I expect it works in the opposite direction too, that our most English works won't *resonate* in the same way for Americans that they do over here), but that doesn't mean we don't get them. And I'm fed up of people suggesting it frankly.
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Post by jek on Jun 14, 2016 7:27:10 GMT
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Post by spendleb on Jun 14, 2016 9:19:04 GMT
Signed up to both just in case, I can't wait for this!
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 14, 2016 10:09:34 GMT
Can someone link the website for registraion? I only found the Delfont one for sign up EDIT: Nevermind, found it |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:37:18 GMT
All this nonsense that British audiences won't get it? Do we only enjoy British musicals? Yes, like the smash hit shows 'Mrs Henderson Presents' and 'Made in Dagenham' - two HUGELY successful British musical and don't forget 'Betty Blue Eyes'. It has very little to do with the subject material. It has everything to do with it's appeal, and to a wider market, Hamilton has that in bucket loads!
Hamilton is now at a point where it is in a league of it's own. It has entered pop culture and has become a known entity. It is the hot thing on Broadway right now and that success will translate into British success, I have no doubt.
Will it be AS successful as it's been on Broadway? No, but it couldn't possibly match that hype. Will it sell out months in advance? Probably.
Frankly, if I could put money into it's transfer, I would, because it will do just fine.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Jun 14, 2016 12:53:17 GMT
Is he really arguing that the country that gave us Andrew Lloyd Webber has trouble making hit musicals? Even if you narrow the conversation to just contemporary works, I'm not convinced yet this is a problem the UK has. Matilda did very well just a couple years ago. Moreover, two of the top 5 grossing Broadway musicals in 2016 thus far are Disney productions, and one, Book of Mormon, was the product of writers who had considerable success and fame in TV and movies before branching out into musicals. All three of these are absolutely terrific but in addition to their quality they had legs up in becoming hits. That leaves Wicked and Hamilton, and really, even though Hamilton prompted the article, we're really only talking about Wicked right now since we have no idea yet how Hamilton's success will translate internationally. It's hard for me to imagine that there's something pervasive about UK theatre preventing hit musicals based on books (the source of both Wicked and Hamilton) to be written. The one possible twist that comes to mind is that shows are far more expensive to stage in Broadway than in West End. So perversely that might mean there's more "infrastructure" in the US to test and refine expensive new musicals before they open on Broadway. Hamilton in particular had a very long gestation period, and Wicked's run in San Francisco prompted some serious revisions before it trasferred. But even there I'm not convinced: UK shows have test runs too before transferring to London; it's fairly standard practice now. And even if the expense of Broadway motivates more ready-made hits surely the downsides are fewer risks (at least on Broadway as opposed to off-Broadway or in regional theatre) and fewer moderately-successful shows. The boring, but more likely, answer here is that Hamilton is extraordinary in the literal sense of the word, and doesn't really speak to the advantages or disadvantages of any particular theatre community. |
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