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Post by danb on Oct 9, 2024 6:42:33 GMT
It can be like putting your favourite album on, or mostly just to see how different people interpret the material.
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Post by ladidah on Oct 9, 2024 8:30:39 GMT
I think to normal people I'm extreme, but to musical theatre people, I'm a lightweight! Some amazing stories around from the 100+ crowd. Especially for the 'big' shows like Les Mis etc. My budget restricts me but I'm approaching 40 for Heathers and also for Rent. A running joke among my friends is that I've spent more going to Rent than paying my rent. My landlord might agree! Love it! Someone I used to knew saw Les Mis 4-5 times a week, the staff knew her like family. |
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Post by Paulw on Oct 9, 2024 8:49:23 GMT
I think to normal people I'm extreme, but to musical theatre people, I'm a lightweight! Some amazing stories around from the 100+ crowd. Especially for the 'big' shows like Les Mis etc. My budget restricts me but I'm approaching 40 for Heathers and also for Rent. A running joke among my friends is that I've spent more going to Rent than paying my rent. My landlord might agree! Love it! Someone I used to knew saw Les Mis 4-5 times a week, the staff knew her like family. There are a few of them at a few shows at the moment, I like to mix it up (106 different productions so far this year) but agree with a previous poster it is always good to have that show that is like home! My most watched would be WWRY from the original run and that has to be in 3 figures but don’t know exactly |
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Post by fclou on Oct 9, 2024 9:14:50 GMT
I have seen Heathers about 6 or 7 times and thought that was a higher number and have seen Cabaret 10 times - that seems like an obsessive amount to me - but clearly it is small change! I mostly prefer to see new things but there are odd things that I go back for
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Oct 9, 2024 12:25:39 GMT
Also want to mention; you may have an emotional attachment to a show. Benjamin Button for example - seen it, in both versions at Southwark and moved me so much. Of course, I am seeing it at the Ambassadors. ❤️ It’s kinda like a full circle moment and makes me reflect on the times I previously watched / what was going on in my life.
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Post by Paulw on Oct 9, 2024 12:39:31 GMT
Also want to mention; you may have an emotional attachment to a show. Benjamin Button for example - seen it, in both versions at Southwark and moved me so much. Of course, I am seeing it at the Ambassadors. ❤️ It’s kinda like a full circle moment and makes me reflect on the times I previously watched / what was going on in my life. I know what you mean about the full circle moment except when I do that with Wicked it just transports me back to 2006! |
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Post by Seriously on Oct 9, 2024 12:56:09 GMT
Who is the "villain" of Heathers and who are we supposed to care for?
And are we ok with the only real attempted suicide in the show being used for comedy value?
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Post by khiar on Oct 9, 2024 13:26:46 GMT
Who is the "villain" of Heathers and who are we supposed to care for? And are we ok with the only real attempted suicide in the show being used for comedy value? If it were as simple as good guy vs villain, it wouldn't be half as interesting. There are high schoolers who are assholes but they don't deserve to die, there's an alienated loner so far removed from reality that he treats killing like a game - but there are times when you empathise with him anyway. It feels good to hate the assholes until it goes too far. Veronica likes to think she's a good person, but she sacrifices parts of herself to do what she thinks is necessary. It's not Shakespeare or anything but there's something really compelling about seeing the stakes of high school treated so seriously. When you're that age, it really does feel like life or death navigating the social pecking order. If the Queen Bee told you that she would socially ruin you on Monday morning, it really could feel like you were on death row. And for your second question - Yeah, I do get uncomfortable with people laughing through Kindergarten Boyfriend. I don't think it's inherently a comedy moment - it's silly and childish and naive, but it does have some genuine feeling behind it. |
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Post by jamesd123 on Oct 9, 2024 13:48:41 GMT
Let’s be real, Heathers is problematic trash that basically tells a whole bunch of impressionable teenage girls that the best way out of their problems is to k*ll themselves, that glamourises bullying, trivialises being gay and is frankly only revived for another tour any time that PTM fancies another holiday.
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Post by winonaforever on Oct 9, 2024 13:57:41 GMT
Genuine question for the people who watch the same show dozens of times... Why? Do you also watch other shows? What is it that makes you spend so much money on things you have watched so many before? Honestly not a criticism, I just want to understand the motivation. It's comforting. I re-read my most loved books, and listen to favourite songs all the time too. I've seen Heathers over 50 times, obviously I love it (and the original film) it's not my favourite musical though. |
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Post by danb on Oct 9, 2024 14:19:08 GMT
Let’s be real, Heathers is problematic trash that basically tells a whole bunch of impressionable teenage girls that the best way out of their problems is to k*ll themselves, that glamourises bullying, trivialises being gay and is frankly only revived for another tour any time that PTM fancies another holiday. That’s one interpretation, yes. But it’s one coloured by todays buzzwords & neuroses rather than those of the late 80’s when it is set. Nobody says its an accurate document of anything, more a demonstration of a story set to some rather catchy music. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 9, 2024 16:01:42 GMT
basically tells a whole bunch of impressionable teenage girls that the best way out of their problems is to k*ll themselves doesn't it specifically not do that?? fairly sure there's a whole scene where it's established that this is in fact not the answer to your problems |
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Post by ladidah on Oct 10, 2024 7:55:12 GMT
I don't think we should be looking to musicals to solve every problem. I don't come out of Les Mis and set up a barricade outside Whitehall.
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Post by Paulw on Oct 10, 2024 8:57:19 GMT
I don't think we should be looking to musicals to solve every problem. I don't come out of Les Mis and set up a barricade outside Whitehall. Or put a mask on and take a standby to a cave! |
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Post by theatrefan62 on Oct 10, 2024 9:07:33 GMT
I don't think we should be looking to musicals to solve every problem. I don't come out of Les Mis and set up a barricade outside Whitehall. No, but musicals aimed at a very specific young and impressionable demographic do have a responsibility in their influence and think about how things can be perceived. Same as movies, tv etc. |
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Post by Afriley on Oct 10, 2024 9:20:26 GMT
Heathers gives the opposite message - things get better, don’t take your own life, bullying is sh*t. At least that’s how I always interpreted it.
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Post by Seriously on Oct 10, 2024 11:08:18 GMT
Or... kill to get what you want, and it's ok to laugh at someone who actually did attempt suicide because she's now in a wheelchair?
And don't get me started on the Dads' song!
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Post by capybara on Oct 10, 2024 13:14:18 GMT
Having seen this show five times in the claustrophobic confines of The Other Palace, I was a little bit underwhelmed by the touring production and its cast when it stopped off at Wimbledon last time around. However, in a smaller, more intimate space like Richmond (and with a really strong company), this was definitely a return to form.
The 2024 touring cast is up there with anything I saw in London. Jenna Innes, who was by far the star last time around, picked up where she left off and gave a high octane performance as Veronica. She reminded me of fellow Scot (and my OG V!) Ailsa Davidson with her vocals and mannerisms as the lead character.
But I was mainly really excited to see the Heathers trio this time around. I loved Esme Bowdler on ITV’s Mamma Mia talent contest (in no small part due to her No Doubt cover track) and she made for an excellent Chandler.
I’d seen Sedona Sky as Mimi in Rent at ArtsEd earlier this year and was blown away, even predicting at the time she would make a wonderful Duke (see my post!). I’m pleased to say I was spot on, she was great and had the audience in the palm of her hand during ‘Never Shut Up Again’.
I’d seen Daisy Twells play MacNamara at TOP and she’s definitely one of my favourites in the role. I only wish she had more solo tracks, other than the haunting ‘Lifeboat’.
I’ve seen so many actors play JD and Keelan McAuley is certainly up there among the strongest. He really captured the shade between the humour and darkness of the role.
Yesterday was my seventh time seeing Heathers and I don’t care what anyone says, it’s an electric score that gives its audiences a reason to keep going back to see new actors’ takes on the numbers. I hope it keeps touring for as long as it is commercially viable.
Five stars.
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Post by Paulw on Oct 10, 2024 13:19:05 GMT
Having seen this show five times in the claustrophobic confines of The Other Palace, I was a little bit underwhelmed by the touring production and its cast when it stopped off at Wimbledon last time around. However, in a smaller, more intimate space like Richmond (and with a really strong company), this was definitely a return to form. The 2024 touring cast is up there with anything I saw in London. Jenna Innes, who was by far the star last time around, picked up where she left off and gave a high octane performance as Veronica. She reminded me of fellow Scot (and my OG V!) Ailsa Davidson with her vocals and mannerisms as the lead character. But I was mainly really excited to see the Heathers trio this time around. I loved Esme Bowdler on ITV’s Mamma Mia talent contest (in no small part due to her No Doubt cover track) and she made for an excellent Chandler. I’d seen Sedona Sky as Mimi in Rent at ArtsEd earlier this year and was blown away, even predicting at the time she would make a wonderful Duke (see my post!). I’m pleased to say I was spot on, she was great and had the audience in the palm of her hand during ‘Never Shut Up Again’. I’d seen Daisy Twells play MacNamara at TOP and she’s definitely one of my favourites in the role. I only wish she had more solo tracks, other than the haunting ‘Lifeboat’. I’ve seen so many actors play JD and Keelan McAuley is certainly up there among the strongest. He really captured the shade between the humour and darkness of the role. Yesterday was my seventh time seeing Heathers and I don’t care what anyone says, it’s an electric score that gives its audiences a reason to keep going back to see new actors’ takes on the numbers. I hope it keeps touring for as long as it is commercially viable. Five stars. I saw it once and it gave me no reason to go back whatsoever, it has a crowd at a certain price level anything over that level and there isn’t any interest from what I have seen |
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Post by danb on Oct 10, 2024 18:16:32 GMT
I totally get people not enjoying it. If it isn't for you, it isn’t for you. But trying to ascribe all of the world’s ills to it to bolster your own opinion isn’t the one. Its about faked teen suicides. If that isn’t your thing, don’t go. End of. It’s hardly hidden. Do your research before going!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 10, 2024 18:38:55 GMT
It doesn’t help that the production is so horribly cheap.
Also, show me another current musical featuring females in their bra and pants being ogled and this being ok.
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Post by danb on Oct 10, 2024 18:51:55 GMT
That scene is about the least arousing thing ever staged. I don’t see either Veronica or JD as sexualised in that scene.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 10, 2024 19:07:52 GMT
I can only speak for when I saw it at TR Haymarket and there was a lot of cat calling going on.
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Post by capybara on Oct 10, 2024 21:13:18 GMT
If any characters are objectified in Heathers, it’s Kurt and Ram!
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Post by danb on Oct 10, 2024 21:25:46 GMT
If any characters are objectified in Heathers, it’s Kurt and Ram! They really are, and as time has gone on they have been allowed to be objectified even more with stuff like the crotch bumping. Just not in character and just not in keeping with the characters as written. Any element of menace or sexual threat from them has been neutralised. |
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