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Post by erik24601 on May 22, 2024 11:41:45 GMT
Hard to think how in the 2024 instant information social media world it could be improve Isn't it normally the case though that cast and crew get told in person in the theatre, either before or after the performance? Usually, yes. But I get the feeling that this production fell apart quite rapidly over the weekend - considering the receiving venue weren't aware that the set wasn't being delivered and there were crew there literally waiting for it. So it could be that the damage limitation was to let the public know as soon as possible before it leaked from the venue - the cast wouldn't have even arrived at the venue at the time the news broke. However, all it would have taken would be for an email from the producers to the entire company saying 'we will be in touch personally at a later time today but we are sad to say the tour will no longer be continuing. We will be making a public statement shortly to allow those with tickets for this evening's performance to make alternative plans and we will contact you all individually shortly.' I'm paraphrasing that of course but come on - in the world of digital contact, it's a 5 minute job that would have at least prioritised the correct people, even if it went out 30 mins ahead of the press release. |
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Post by erik24601 on May 22, 2024 11:43:29 GMT
Who were the producers for this? ADAMA Entertainment, interestingly the same company that is due to stage Burlesque They are, on the whole, a fantastic producing team. It's just a really crap world on the touring circuit right now and one bad venue sales can screw the entire tour. |
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Post by 141920grm on May 22, 2024 11:45:59 GMT
And all the usual suspects screaming "DO BETTER" into social media isn't gonna stop exactly the same thing happening again. IMHO people would do better to step back and look for a more global understanding to make this sort of thing less likely. I dunno, it's not my area. Protocols. Pathways. Probity. Quality assurance. Correct insurance. I have no idea! But change and regulate the processes. What I do know is hurling abuse online isn't gonna improve anything. why wouldn't it? public pressure is quite effective, letting people who do need to see this see it, and do their part in improving their processes for next time |
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Post by forfivemoreminutes on May 22, 2024 11:48:55 GMT
ADAMA Entertainment, interestingly the same company that is due to stage Burlesque They are, on the whole, a fantastic producing team. It's just a really crap world on the touring circuit right now and one bad venue sales can screw the entire tour. The whole tour was selling poorly, not just one venue. Touring as a whole is struggling but to cancel the entire tour a few hours before a performance is definitely a bigger issue that someone tried to ignore until it was too late. We obviously don't know what happened behind the scenes but doesn't seem like this can solely be blamed on the state of touring theatre right now |
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Post by erik24601 on May 22, 2024 11:52:36 GMT
They are, on the whole, a fantastic producing team. It's just a really crap world on the touring circuit right now and one bad venue sales can screw the entire tour. The whole tour was selling poorly, not just one venue. Touring as a whole is struggling but to cancel the entire tour a few hours before a performance is definitely a bigger issue that someone tried to ignore until it was too late. We obviously don't know what happened behind the scenes but doesn't seem like this can solely be blamed on the state of touring theatre right now Oh agreed. They will have seen this coming, even if they had been working around the clock to save it. But all it takes is one huge component to say 'enough is enough' such as Paul Mathews refusing to deliver the set until their invoices have been paid and that then puts an immediate end to the whole thing very quickly. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2024 12:37:23 GMT
If they’d see it coming you might imagine someone would have planned for the worst and got ducks in a row, with comms to key people prepared and ready to go if needed. Totally agree that once it’s out there with one cast or crew member then all control over the announcement is lost but that initial notification should have been sent to cast and crew simultaneously and certainly before any press
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Post by blamerobots on May 22, 2024 12:52:22 GMT
Definitely sucks for the Cliffs in Southend, to be told literally last minute their next big pull has dropped out on them.
They're going to renovate sometime this year and it has not been doing the greatest business I believe. They were banking on this and JCS in July and other touring shows later on for even the littlest more money.
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2024 13:02:23 GMT
It sounds like the producers overestimated the popularity of the show, what works in London doesn't always work in the regions.
Has Catherine Tyldesley said anything or had she already left the show?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2024 13:11:38 GMT
Catherine was taking a break but coming back for the autumn run.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2024 13:17:39 GMT
To be fair I thought it was a hard sell. My friends weren’t interested in seeing it and in the end I didn’t bother either, despite living a stones throw from the theatre. Didn’t appeal, and the cast announcement did nothing to change that.
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Post by Jon on May 22, 2024 13:17:47 GMT
Catherine was taking a break but coming back for the autumn run. I'm surprised she was planning to come back in the Autumn as The Good Ship Murder is filming at the moment and that will take more than 3 months. |
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Post by mkb on May 22, 2024 14:57:15 GMT
As a general point, not specifically this show, if a production company wants to contact cast and crew quickly and in writing, do they have to go via agents, or can they contact individuals via their personal email addresses?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2024 15:12:55 GMT
Catherine was taking a break but coming back for the autumn run. I'm surprised she was planning to come back in the Autumn as The Good Ship Murder is filming at the moment and that will take more than 3 months. I think B'ham early Sept would have been her first week back so that would give her the 3 month plus window to film. But if that is filming now was she still doing B and C when it was pulled. I cannot recall what dates Daisy Wood-Davis was going to do. Poor Daisy has lost this role and had previously got the lead in Beautiful but lockdown stopped that. |
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Post by a on May 22, 2024 15:46:46 GMT
I'm surprised she was planning to come back in the Autumn as The Good Ship Murder is filming at the moment and that will take more than 3 months. I think B'ham early Sept would have been her first week back so that would give her the 3 month plus window to film. But if that is filming now was she still doing B and C when it was pulled. I cannot recall what dates Daisy Wood-Davis was going to do. Poor Daisy has lost this role and had previously got the lead in Beautiful but lockdown stopped that. Daisy had only done one week of shows :/ |
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Post by Seriously on May 22, 2024 16:58:29 GMT
There are contractual rules in the Equity, BECTU and MU contracts which state how an announcement for an early closing is to be handled.
Doing a press release first is nowhere near correct.
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Post by a on May 23, 2024 12:33:42 GMT
Multiple current cast members, as opposed to the ones joining the tour at a later date, have confirmed they also found out on social media before being told which really is unacceptable
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Post by nash16 on May 24, 2024 0:42:19 GMT
If the sets were loaded onto the lorries after the previous venue, at what point would the haulage company (who apparently hadn’t been paid), have notified the producers that they would refuse to unload the sets at Southend?
There’s the Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday open for that.
And if the cast were informed by WhatsApp/email/social media of their termination on the Tuesday, how long had the producers known that unless paid they wouldn’t be returning their set to them?
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Post by erik24601 on May 24, 2024 8:13:31 GMT
If the sets were loaded onto the lorries after the previous venue, at what point would the haulage company (who apparently hadn’t been paid), have notified the producers that they would refuse to unload the sets at Southend? There’s the Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday open for that. And if the cast were informed by WhatsApp/email/social media of their termination on the Tuesday, how long had the producers known that unless paid they wouldn’t be returning their set to them? Potentially since the PMT offices were open on the Friday. |
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Post by erik24601 on May 24, 2024 8:15:08 GMT
There have been situations in the past where sets have been sat in trucks on the outskirts of cities (it’s usually easier and cheaper to park them overnight) and then refusing to deliver the sets until invoices have been paid.
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Post by firefingers on May 24, 2024 13:28:08 GMT
If the sets were loaded onto the lorries after the previous venue, at what point would the haulage company (who apparently hadn’t been paid), have notified the producers that they would refuse to unload the sets at Southend? There’s the Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday open for that. And if the cast were informed by WhatsApp/email/social media of their termination on the Tuesday, how long had the producers known that unless paid they wouldn’t be returning their set to them? Potentially since the PMT offices were open on the Friday. Wasn't a PMT gig, think it was Stagefreight. |
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Post by properjob on May 24, 2024 18:39:37 GMT
An important question is who put it on social media? A company member who was early in the list of people being called or who had a more efficient agent? A media outlet? Was there an embargo that was broken?
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Post by a on May 24, 2024 20:29:36 GMT
An important question is who put it on social media? A company member who was early in the list of people being called or who had a more efficient agent? A media outlet? Was there an embargo that was broken? No cast member found out before socials I am nearly 100% certain given what Nate and Jasmine said on their live the other night I think what happened was the producers told the theatres before the cast, especially Southend as they were meant to have a show that night. Then Southend sent emails out to customers and then that lead to everyone finding out before the cast were called into a meeting. |
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Post by interval99 on Jun 28, 2024 19:49:49 GMT
The board members were spot on, the original Drury Lane show really is something special and a tour de force from all the cast who match the star performances from main leads Jeremy and Francis who both cover ballads or belters with superb vocal force and sound great together. (Wonderfully duo Natalie McQueen and George Maguire as Blanche and Buck Barrow give them a close run for the audience affections) Fantastic we have the record of it for those not there for those shows and this is a high quality picture and sounding film which does a great job of capturing the staging but also uses the filming to enchance the story. It's really is one of the best filmed shows I have seen. And as board members said at the time this is a full on production, fully costumed cast and considerable staging. The cast perform as earnestly as if it was a opening night and I amazed they did so much in what must have been very limited rehearsal time. The songs and book does vary to make things a bit uneven paced (and the ending is a bit sudden) but this cast really overcome that and make it a very watchable show to stream. Jeremy and Francis have star quality and have electric chemistry together and some very raunchy choreography. Cost £13 to stream the ad free version which ran smoothly for the 2hours 5mins run time. 3 days to watch once you have started and I had no issue watching act one and two on separate nights, just needed to turn of the captions which seem to be default to run unless you want to sing along. When they show the audience they are all in covid masks as think it was Jan 2022 so much more comfortable watching at home mask free and own armchair. Recommended viewing. bonnieclydelive.com/ |
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Post by originalconceptlive on Aug 27, 2024 11:21:08 GMT
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Post by blamerobots on Aug 27, 2024 12:10:02 GMT
Probably a more profitable way to distribute the proshot than have it collect pitiful streaming money.
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