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Post by mattnyc on Mar 17, 2022 0:44:45 GMT
If this was happening on Broadway, they would have had to make an announcement about what was happening because refunds would have to be given, every time she was out.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 17, 2022 6:54:27 GMT
If this was happening on Broadway, they would have had to make an announcement about what was happening because refunds would have to be given, every time she was out. You're very correct, which makes it fortunate the producers decided to open it in the WestEnd, so they don't have to. |
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Post by shadypines on Mar 17, 2022 7:17:56 GMT
It continues to baffle me why some people bemoan that the WE doesn't have an "above the title" (ATT) policy like BW AND complain about tickets prices here.
Are you under the impression an ATT policy will make the WE cheaper?
FYI, it's absolutely possible for producers to buy insurance in the event a lead is off and the performance is cancelled, but the cost of the premium is so high they would have to double the price of tickets.
NB: None of the insurance policies offered in the WE offer pandemic cover anymore, so all the cancelled performances in December are paid for out of the producers back pocket.
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Post by A.Ham on Mar 17, 2022 8:16:20 GMT
Cast at a pre-Oliviers nominees lunch today. I assume they all made it in time for the matinee?  Not sure of the timings of this pre-Oliviers lunch, but I noticed Beverley Knight sharing photos of her and her cast mates at the event on her socials, and The Drifter’s Girl also has a Weds matinee. If it really is ‘lunch’ at lunchtime then I assume attending means they have to miss the matinee. If so, surely it’d make sense for the Oliviers organisers to schedule the lunch on a day where there’s less matinee performances? Or is it actually more of a morning event and they’re all able to get back to their respective theatres in time to prepare for the matinee performance? Of course for the producers of these shows, the potential publicity generated more than outweighs a few moans that the leads weren’t on, but as has been mentioned, this sort of thing generally doesn’t sit well with the public who were hoping to see the leads perform, only to then see photos of them at a lunch on their social channels. |
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Mar 17, 2022 8:50:14 GMT
It continues to baffle me why some people bemoan that the WE doesn't have an "above the title" (ATT) policy like BW AND complain about tickets prices here. Are you under the impression an ATT policy will make the WE cheaper? FYI, it's absolutely possible for producers to buy insurance in the event a lead is off and the performance is cancelled, but the cost of the premium is so high they would have to double the price of tickets. NB: None of the insurance policies offered in the WE offer pandemic cover anymore, so all the cancelled performances in December are paid for out of the producers back pocket. I think that the problem with Cabaret in particular is that there are very high prices, but still no ‘above the title’ policy - ie, the worst of both worlds. |
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Post by danb on Mar 17, 2022 9:00:56 GMT
As it ever was and ever will be…
If people will pay it, it will keep happening. Something would have to be very, very special for me to spend that sort of money. I think we spent £130 each on Madonnas ‘Confessions’ tour, and were side of stage so felt we got our moneys worth. I haven’t spent that much since on any music or theatre event, preferring to do my research and find the ‘bargain’ seats in most venues, or just standing. But there will always be those who can afford anything.
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Post by shady23 on Mar 17, 2022 9:18:00 GMT
When does it end though?
I went to see Fiddler on the roof just to see someone I am a fan of who is in the ensemble. They were off. Should I be entitled to a refund?
There are more big names coming to the west end soon like Amy Adams and Jodie Comer. I have booked both purely just for those two and freely admit have absolutely no idea about the shows they are in. If they are not there when I go I would be disappointed but I wouldn't be going to the box office expecting a refund.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 17, 2022 9:29:25 GMT
It continues to baffle me why some people bemoan that the WE doesn't have an "above the title" (ATT) policy like BW AND complain about tickets prices here. Are you under the impression an ATT policy will make the WE cheaper? FYI, it's absolutely possible for producers to buy insurance in the event a lead is off and the performance is cancelled, but the cost of the premium is so high they would have to double the price of tickets. NB: None of the insurance policies offered in the WE offer pandemic cover anymore, so all the cancelled performances in December are paid for out of the producers back pocket. I think that the problem with Cabaret in particular is that there are very high prices, but still no ‘above the title’ policy - ie, the worst of both worlds. I agree cabaret during Eddie's run was expensive, but they did have tickets at £30 and £50 for every performance. If they had sold EVERY ticket for £50, it would have sold out even faster, and it would have been bought up by touts selling on viagogo. You'd still have to pay £250 or more to see it, so what's the better option? A) charge market value B) make it cheaper for touts to profit |
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Post by A.Ham on Mar 17, 2022 10:10:16 GMT
I think that the problem with Cabaret in particular is that there are very high prices, but still no ‘above the title’ policy - ie, the worst of both worlds. I agree cabaret during Eddie's run was expensive, but they did have tickets at £30 and £50 for every performance. If they had sold EVERY ticket for £50, it would have sold out even faster, and it would have been bought up by touts selling on viagogo. You'd still have to pay £250 or more to see it, so what's the better option? A) charge market value B) make it cheaper for touts to profit Which is the exact pricing model the Rolling Stones have used for their recent tours. They get criticised for high prices, but if their tickets were lower, touts would snap them up then charge hundreds on the resale market. So they price high to counteract this, and ensure the profits are going into their bank accounts rather than the touts’. Then they use dynamic pricing to sell anything hasn’t shifted at the higher initial prices. |
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Post by danb on Mar 17, 2022 11:08:36 GMT
Real fans of things tend to make the most effort anyway, looking out for pre-sales, signing up for mailing lists etc. In terms of music, I know that artists like Barry Manilow insist on there being a really affordable starting price band (£35 in his case for his next tour) It might only be for the back row , but is at least inclusive.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 17, 2022 11:16:37 GMT
Real fans of things tend to make the most effort anyway, looking out for pre-sales, signing up for mailing lists etc. In terms of music, I know that artists like Barry Manilow insist on there being a really affordable starting price band (£35 in his case) It might only be for the back row , but is at least inclusive. I agree. I actually prefer a market economy. I paid £85 for golden circle tickets for Kylie's kiss me once tour. The following tour was £175 for golden circle, which was too rich for what I thought was a poor album. Had it been the homecoming tour I would have happily paid £250, maybe more. You don't have to pay, what they are asking if you don't feel its worth it, but it's not fair to complain about it, especially if you take advantage of LondonTheatreWeek. |
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Post by shady23 on Mar 17, 2022 11:21:44 GMT
For these big concerts it used to be the people at the front are the ones who had queued for longest. Now it's those who have the most money as not only is the golden circle a premium but they add golden circle early entry. Early entry for the golden circle for Lady Gaga in London this summer is an extra hundred pound leaving not much change from three hundred pound when all the fees are added. They throw in some "exclusive merchandise and a lanyard" to try and pad it out but it's huge amounts of money.
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Post by danb on Mar 17, 2022 11:34:37 GMT
For these big concerts it used to be the people at the front are the ones who had queued for longest. Now it's those who have the most money as not only is the golden circle a premium but they add golden circle early entry. Early entry for the golden circle for Lady Gaga in London this summer is an extra hundred pound leaving not much change from three hundred pound when all the fees are added. They throw in some "exclusive merchandise and a lanyard" to try and pad it out but it's huge amounts of money. …whereas the magnificent McFly do soundcheck parties for their fans costing nothing other than membership to their ‘total access’ fan clubby thing. Sure it’s still a minimal extra cost but for an hour long q&a, exclusive friendship braceletty type thing and a soundcheck (featuring songs not performed in the actual gig) it made my little ‘uns day (and mine if I’m honest). The internet has removed the mystery from all but the biggest artists, so they at least find new ways to monetise it. |
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 17, 2022 11:43:23 GMT
Real fans of things tend to make the most effort anyway, looking out for pre-sales, signing up for mailing lists etc. In terms of music, I know that artists like Barry Manilow insist on there being a really affordable starting price band (£35 in his case) It might only be for the back row , but is at least inclusive. I agree. I actually prefer a market economy. I paid £85 for golden circle tickets for Kylie's kiss me once tour. The following tour was £175 for golden circle, which was too rich for what I thought was a poor album. Had it been the homecoming tour I would have happily paid £250, maybe more. You don't have to pay, what they are asking if you don't feel its worth it, but it's not fair to complain about it, especially if you take advantage of LondonTheatreWeek. It's interesting you even break this (the value of a ticket) down to personal preference per album.... |
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 17, 2022 11:45:48 GMT
For these big concerts it used to be the people at the front are the ones who had queued for longest. Now it's those who have the most money as not only is the golden circle a premium but they add golden circle early entry. Early entry for the golden circle for Lady Gaga in London this summer is an extra hundred pound leaving not much change from three hundred pound when all the fees are added. They throw in some "exclusive merchandise and a lanyard" to try and pad it out but it's huge amounts of money. Indeed! Even as recently as 2006, this was the case (when I saw Madonna at Cardiff Stadium) - in the past, those that put in the effort to arrive early, reaped the rewards, but the move in the industry towards "money talks" being the overall doctrine has occurred over the past 10 or so years. Now it's all about "Golden Circle", "Diamond Entry", and various other descriptions for tarted up "VIP experiences" for those willing to shell out.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 11:48:42 GMT
I agree cabaret during Eddie's run was expensive, but they did have tickets at £30 and £50 for every performance. If they had sold EVERY ticket for £50, it would have sold out even faster, and it would have been bought up by touts selling on viagogo. You'd still have to pay £250 or more to see it, so what's the better option? A) charge market value B) make it cheaper for touts to profit Which is the exact pricing model the Rolling Stones have used for their recent tours. They get criticised for high prices, but if their tickets were lower, touts would snap them up then charge hundreds on the resale market. So they price high to counteract this, and ensure the profits are going into their bank accounts rather than the touts’. Then they use dynamic pricing to sell anything hasn’t shifted at the higher initial prices. Can we really compare the price of seeing legendary acts like the Stones, Madonna to say seeing a top actor/actress on stage who are only in their 30's and in Eddie's case just turned 40. What were the prices when Angela Lansbury did Blythe Spirit that was a real one off chance to see a legend perform? I'd like to know what the average price for a ticket for a show like Cabaret is. We hear about a price range of £220 aprox and the staging has probably taken some seats out too. As regards the Olivier dinner why do it on a Weds which is a matinee day. Surely a Friday would have made more sense. Jessie being there to promote her show isn't an issue to me if she is on vocal rest or advised only to perform 4 times say a week. Someone is bound to say well she was chatting there. I'd imagine vocal rest can be between just not singing so much or almost complete silence off stage. I've heard about people having mini wipe boards or even texting to save their voice. Also stories of when people have stage doored after a show for a star the company manager has come out and said X will sign, do photos but they won't talk as they are on vocal rest so it's pointless asking them anything as they cannot reply. |
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Post by A.Ham on Mar 17, 2022 11:55:00 GMT
Which is the exact pricing model the Rolling Stones have used for their recent tours. They get criticised for high prices, but if their tickets were lower, touts would snap them up then charge hundreds on the resale market. So they price high to counteract this, and ensure the profits are going into their bank accounts rather than the touts’. Then they use dynamic pricing to sell anything hasn’t shifted at the higher initial prices. Can we really compare the price of seeing legendary acts like the Stones, Madonna to say seeing a top actor/actress on stage who are only in their 30's and in Eddie's case just turned 40. What were the prices when Angela Lansbury did Blythe Spirit that was a real one off chance to see a legend perform? Not trying to compare the Stones and Madonna with Eddie Redmayne! Just highlighting that the Cabaret producers have copied the pricing model - price high and reap the rewards themselves, rather than price at a more reasonable amount and then find touts buy the tickets and charge a premium to those who can afford it on the secondary market - meaning those extra profits end up in touts’ pockets rather than their own. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 17, 2022 11:55:35 GMT
Madonna really took the biscuit for asking people to pay to get access to the presale. So you pay for access, you pay for the ticket, and you pay for the booking fee. Yes I’ve done it but no more the fool for this ex fan!
Should we have a different thread for this?
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Post by shady23 on Mar 17, 2022 13:39:27 GMT
Now many artists say you have to buy the latest album to access the pre sales.
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Post by mattnyc on Mar 17, 2022 14:03:08 GMT
Now many artists say you have to buy the latest album to access the pre sales. I think (at least from my experience the past few years), the albums come with the tickets. That’s also a way to count all those toward album sales which is a smart way to do it. |
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Post by floorshow on Mar 17, 2022 17:19:47 GMT
Now many artists say you have to buy the latest album to access the pre sales. I think (at least from my experience the past few years), the albums come with the tickets. That’s also a way to count all those toward album sales which is a smart way to do it. There's nearly always a (very small text) link for no purchase necessary. |
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Post by amp09 on Mar 18, 2022 0:00:53 GMT
No surprise that there’s plenty of available seats from next week onwards. Hopefully dynamic pricing will kick in and they’ll bring prices down to sell off the remaining tickets on the day/provide more for the lottery.
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Post by shadypines on Mar 18, 2022 2:43:14 GMT
No surprise that there’s plenty of available seats from next week onwards. Hopefully dynamic pricing will kick in and they’ll bring prices down to sell off the remaining tickets on the day/provide more for the lottery. "Plenty"....? Do you mean less than 30 per performance? Wicked, Mary Poppins, lion King, matilda all sell 100-150 tickets a day on doors. By no means is Cabaret struggling. Let me know when you buy a cheapy ... |
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Post by lonlad on Mar 18, 2022 15:07:57 GMT
Anyone know if Jessie did last night and is doing her final three performances? I bet she's been off more than she was on .... did Eddie ever miss? I imagine not.
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Post by inthenose on Mar 18, 2022 15:24:53 GMT
Eddie Redmayne hasn't missed a show, rehearsal, promotional event or been late once.
Buckley will surely do her final performance, just in time for flowers and the after-show.
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