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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 0:44:48 GMT
'You know how peculiar people can get about a spot of murder!'
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 7:11:19 GMT
I think that clapping needs to be seen in the same way as puppy training. If your puppy pees on the sofa, you should not respond by giving it a highly sought after treat. So if an actress pees on the stage we should smack her on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper? Sounds reasonable. Nooooo! Not the way to train a dog (you are free to swot the actor though). |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 8:32:26 GMT
If I go to a musical here in the UK I tend to clap after each song. It just seems to be what happens, but I'd never clap a particular scene in a play, as to me that would interrupt the flow of it. I also don't like the clapping a performer when they first arrive on stage. I think here clapping in musicals seems quite standard. Yes this is what I do and every one else in the theatre does. You clap after every song, that's what has happened at every show I've seen! It's fair enough Laura having a go, I would be aannoyed too. It's not exactly hard to clap. As as for standing ovations, we've never done it during a show. Only at the curtain call at the end if the show was amazing, there is a dance section where audience stands at the end of when the star of the stage come on for bows. The only time audience members have clapped when a star first enters the stage is for Imelda Staunton in Gypsy. |
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 8:51:57 GMT
Yes this is what I do and every one else in the theatre does. You clap after every song, that's what has happened at every show I've seen! It's fair enough Laura having a go, I would be aannoyed too. It's not exactly hard to clap. Why would you be annoyed? You are working in the job of your dreams, something you love to do more than anything and brings great joy, while 99% of the people in the audience are chearing- why on earth would you get annoyed at the 1 or 2 people choosing not to cheer? Also no, not everyone cheers after every number- if Im utterly unimpressed with a performance (that looks phoned in for example) I wont clap... that shouldnt take anything away from the enjoyment of the actor, because I'd like to imagine they're doing it for the love of the art/being on stage, not the clapping... And if they are in it for the applause they really don't deserve to be up there. A million would trade with them in a heartbeat and be genuinely happy. |
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 8:52:54 GMT
The quoting is messed up, I replied to george
ETA-thank you BB! Im on my phone and its all html
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 9:28:05 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 9:32:22 GMT
If I go to a musical here in the UK I tend to clap after each song. It just seems to be what happens, but I'd never clap a particular scene in a play, as to me that would interrupt the flow of it. I also don't like the clapping a performer when they first arrive on stage. I think here clapping in musicals seems quite standard. Yes this is what I do and every one else in the theatre does. You clap after every song, that's what has happened at every show I've seen! It's fair enough Laura having a go, I would be aannoyed too. It's not exactly hard to clap. It's not hard, but why should anyone if they either didn't really think it was that good, or just prefer to keep their applause for the end? They should be allowed to do that without being "applause-shamed" by the likes of Benanti, Hope-Fletcher or Margolyes. |
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Post by clair on May 22, 2016 9:36:35 GMT
It's not hard to clap but it's not always deserved either. Also who knows why people don't clap, they might not consider it justified, might not have liked the performance or might even, like myself sometimes, be suffering horrendous arthritis in their wrist in which case it hurts to clap so you keep it back until the end of a show.
Just as I have no right to speak to a performer at the stage door after the show they have no right to assume applause for everything they do!
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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 22, 2016 10:16:34 GMT
If I go to a musical here in the UK I tend to clap after each song. It just seems to be what happens, but I'd never clap a particular scene in a play, as to me that would interrupt the flow of it. I also don't like the clapping a performer when they first arrive on stage. I think here clapping in musicals seems quite standard. Yes this is what I do and every one else in the theatre does. You clap after every song, that's what has happened at every show I've seen! It's fair enough Laura having a go, I would be aannoyed too. It's not exactly hard to clap. As as for standing ovations, we've never done it during a show. Only at the curtain call at the end if the show was amazing, there is a dance section where audience stands at the end of when the star of the stage come on for bows. The only time audience members have clapped when a star first enters the stage is for Imelda Staunton in Gypsy. You'd be annoyed if you had a 1000 people in a theatre clapping, a Tony nomination and rave reviews, yet you had just ONE person who didn't clap? Would it really mean that much to you if one person didn't enjoy your performance or had arthritis? No, it isn't hard to clap, but that's not the point. The point is, you can't force someone to. I've always clapped, even if I haven't liked a show, but I always feel really awkward doing so. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 10:45:55 GMT
Alright, alright. Just going to clear things up before I get slaughtered anymore about what I said. I wasn't talking about one person not clapping. My interpretation was around half the theatre not clapping. If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? I always clap but I don't stand up at the curtain call if I didn't like the show (Bend it like Beckham). I'm not saying you have to clap, but it's nice if you did if it was a good performance
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 10:55:02 GMT
If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? Not as disappointed as the punter who paid 70 quid to see you and didn't think you were worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 11:00:19 GMT
If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? Not as disappointed as the punter who paid 70 quid to see you and didn't think you were worth it. Okay, okay!! Yes I know what you mean and I agree if a performance is absolute rubbish then yes there isn't a point rewarding them with whoops and cheers but if the performance is great then there is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 11:02:57 GMT
People confuse quality with taste, not clapping poor quality is fine but not clapping for a job well done, but which was not to your taste, is egotistical. Think of it like a meal at a restaurant, if it's badly cooked complain, if it's poorly served don't leave a tip, if you ordered something and you've realised you don't like it then it's your mistake so blame yourself, not the ones who cooked and served it perfectly. You bought the ticket, they did their job, you didn't like it, applaud them and make better choices in the future.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 11:04:26 GMT
Alright, alright. Just going to clear things up before I get slaughtered anymore about what I said. I wasn't talking about one person not clapping. My interpretation was around half the theatre not clapping. If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? I always clap but I don't stand up at the curtain call if I didn't like the show (Bend it like Beckham). I'm not saying you have to clap, but it's nice if you did if it was a good performance I think that if a performer really put their all in to it, and a significant amount of people didn't clap maybe it'd be a sign they need to reflect on what about the performance was off? Maybe consult the director- they give notes very often anyway... And if the actir stands behind his performance a 100% (and again does for the love of the theatre) then sure it sucks that the audience maybe didn't get what he was intending, but he should be able to brush it off easily... People don't just not clap because "they forgot it's theatre ettiquete" as Carrie so insists. They have a reason- culture (in south east asia it is not common to clap until the end and is considered distruptive) medical issue, prefrance etc, and they are all valid, and so expecting applause just seems like an entitled move... I get Laura was joking, it was just a poor joke in bad taste, and clearly not 100 humor, because she does -expect- applause (Carrie clearly wasn't even joking) |
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 11:09:38 GMT
People confuse quality with taste, not clapping poor quality is fine but not clapping for a job well done, but which was not to your taste, is egotistical. Think of it like a meal at a restaurant, if it's badly cooked complain, if it's poorly served don't leave a tip, if you ordered something and you've realised you don't like it then it's your mistake so blame yourself, not the ones who cooked and served it perfectly. You bought the ticket, they did their job, you didn't like it, applaud them and make better choices in the future. I'd argue that the audience member doesnt really choose the perfomance/perfomer they're going to get... I agree that not clapping because you got an understudy in place of someone you wanted to see, and the understudy is fantastic and you choose not to clap simply because x star wasnt performing- would be off an uncalled for, also booing understudies is a thing that happens and its gross. But again, a performance can be good by one persons standards, and not by anothers, and thats fine- the people choosing not to clap over prefrence are so few if any- why focus on it? ETA their arguement, if I can borrow your analogy, was that even if the food is poorly cooked you should still compliment the chef (beyond the money you pay for the meal) |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 11:19:31 GMT
Human nature, ten people compliment you for something and one complains, the complaint is the one that most people dwell on. One in a hundred or thousand? Still so but more amused than concerned unless that one person does/says something disproportionately upsetting.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 11:43:15 GMT
Other than the fact that the actors attention should be to stay in character, not searching the audience for who is clapping and who isnt, I think actors should go in to the buisness knowing/assuming not everyone is going to praise them endlessly/love them/ agree woth them unconditionally. Actors get panned in reviews and torn apart by gossip channels. That one person who doesn't clap just doesn't strike me as insulting. I'va had peopld disagree and criticize my work (hell I worked in a job here lives were on the line and disagreements with those above you could result in jail time, not joking, I was close), and my mindset, on the non critical things was- live and let live... I assure you I was never applauded or thanked at the end of a work day, and am completely fine with that, because I was content with the work I was doing, I felt like I was doing a good job and I was, moreover it was a job I couldnt stand. They love their job (I think) and ARE getting praised for it- stupidly so... I don't know I'm really fixating on this aren't I? and I said I'd stop >< Alright Im moving on sorry! |
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 11:46:47 GMT
No don't stop. You're so right!
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Post by fossil on May 22, 2016 11:48:31 GMT
When applause becomes merely convention it loses its meaning. One should clap when it is deserved and not clap if completely undeserved. If a performer sings a powerful song but does not get the expected applause then they need be professional and examine the cause as to why they did not 'connect' with that audience at that time as the audience may be giving useful feedback. Maybe the song delivery not so good on that occasion. Maybe it was not the singer's fault and the sound system was poor or the balance all wrong - could the audience actually hear the singer properly? And so on.
Speaking of convention, I went to a Willard White concert at the Inner Temple. It was a posh do and it seems that at these one does not applaud each number - after each song there was just silence.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 22, 2016 11:56:59 GMT
Thanks James And fossil- YES YES YES,agreed! you worded it so much better than I ever could. |
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 12:03:29 GMT
Exactly fossil. It's like standing ovations, they happen more and more and mean less and less.
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Post by fossil on May 22, 2016 12:18:25 GMT
Personally I have stopped joining in with standing ovations. On the last occasion I found I was applauding the backs of the people in front of me. But then I am only 5'2".
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 12:32:48 GMT
You're stronger than me. I end up standing just so I can see.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 12:40:24 GMT
You're stronger than me. I end up standing just so I can see. I'm usually heading for the door. PEOPLE HAVE BUSES TO CATCH YOU KNOW!  |
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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 22, 2016 13:04:29 GMT
Alright, alright. Just going to clear things up before I get slaughtered anymore about what I said. I wasn't talking about one person not clapping. My interpretation was around half the theatre not clapping. If your sing a really powerful song (e.g. Everything's coming up roses or And I'm telling you) and put your whole effort into it but then only half the theater claps... Your gonna feel just a tad disappointed aren't you? I always clap but I don't stand up at the curtain call if I didn't like the show (Bend it like Beckham). I'm not saying you have to clap, but it's nice if you did if it was a good performance George, no one is slaughtering you. You posted your thoughts and we posted our's back, calm down. |
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