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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 11:20:33 GMT
Perhaps he did applaud but only briefly, so she didn't catch the clap
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Post by Hamilton Addict on May 21, 2016 11:46:07 GMT
I think it's really good that we're being taught about theatre etiquette. We all must keep to the rules of smiling, not having our arms crossed and applaud after every song. If you don't like it, tough, you should've known before the show that it wouldn't be good. If you disobey these rules, you will be angrily tweeted about!
*sigh*
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 12:43:30 GMT
Yup I'm in the 'entitled and insecure' camp here. Saw it last night and thought "Really?"
I will say that I always applaud at the end out of courtesty, because usually even in a crappy show there are people doing a good/decent job, and end applause to my mind is for everyone (musicians, backstage crew etc). But it's often the very definition of 'polite' applause.
I certainly object to the idea that I should give crazy applause to someone for a solo. Um doing the solo is why you were employed? and sure if it's AMAZING I'll be moved to appalud, but frankly I'm with TheatreMonkey, it'd all go a lot faster (and stay in the world of the show) if we didn't applaud after every single thing.
And don't get me started on 'entrance applause' in America. Well done "famous" person you showed up to work...
ETA: When Carrie comes to Cardiff I hope she follows the bus driver thanking protcol of saying 'Thanks Drive' because that's how we do it here.
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Post by d'James on May 21, 2016 12:47:30 GMT
I wouldn't come in contact with miss Fletcher because I just said this- (in response to her saying she thanks her bus driver) -do you thank him every time the bus stops? or just when its your stop to get off? that's what curtain is for and -It's such a me me me I deserve praise attitude- no one clapped for me at the military, we worked just as hard I think to which she blocked me... ha! then she tweets this: so one audience member not clapping= the death of courtesy, respect and kindness... entitled brat- god I really hope she is never cast in anything again Yeah, that bus comment was my fault I think.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 21, 2016 12:55:00 GMT
There is a difference between thanking the bus driver as you get of the bus, and getting applauded after EVERY solo you sing on stage... Like I said, I doubt people jump up from their seats every time the bus comes to a halt and shout "thank you driver" or clap at him...
I have no doubt she thanks drivers- its just not the same as appluase
ETA: djames- did she respond to you tweet? If its the one I think it is you were absolutely right...
Also apperently Benanti was asked by the roundabout theatre company to take the tweet down and refused
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Post by d'James on May 21, 2016 13:05:57 GMT
Yeah. The bus driver/waitress tweets were replies to my long tweet.
I really hate that she says/thinks she is standing up for courtesy.
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Post by ShoesForRent on May 21, 2016 13:14:00 GMT
I think this is the last I'll say on this subject because she really makes my blood boil, but on another forum someone posted that this is such typical behaviour from oeople who have never struggled to get to where they are. Benanti landed a lead on Bway at 18 and dropped out of college. Carrie was a child actress and never really struggled to find work in entertainment. They never waited tables or stressed about paying rent or starved to make month's end. They never worked a job in which lives matter abd they responsible for them... So it must be easy to think they are just antitled to get praise for anything- because it was always there so why should bot be perfect 100% of the time? Why shouldnt everyone love and praise them unconditionally (in the name of kindness none the less)?
I don't claim to know their lives or struggles, but it's something someone pointed out and I have to agree.
I was a huge fan of Laura, I love her sense of humor, but this whole thing just turned me off.. and I was never a fan of Carrie and this just strengthened that.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 13:22:44 GMT
Yes! as much as I do sometimes like Carrie, that element of her personality makes my blood boil. She talks often about how much she 'struggled' to get where she was, when in reality she was a child actress whose famous brother paid for her to go to private school and then instead of going to University/drama school she "wrote a musical" with her brother that never saw the light of day. And don't tell me the rest of us who have books hidden in a sock draw would have got 2 book deals before 30 without a lot of legs up along the way?
It sounds like I'm bitching about her brother, but I actually have a lot of respect for Tom Fletcher-yes he got lucky that the band he was in when he was a teenager made it big, but he seems to have worked hard on various things since then and always seems incredibly gratful for where he's gotten!
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Post by Coated on May 21, 2016 14:00:18 GMT
I think that clapping needs to be seen in the same way as puppy training. If your puppy pees on the sofa, you should not respond by giving it a highly sought after treat.
So yes, I'm one of the people who is perfectly happy to not clap when I can't see any redeeming features in a show. There is also a point where I get very tired of hearing how actors/singers/dancers 'have given so much and worked so hard'. That's their job, and the reason why I pay for tickets.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 21, 2016 14:39:31 GMT
And don't tell me the rest of us who have books hidden in a sock draw would have got 2 book deals before 30 without a lot of legs up along the way? I certainly didn't get where I am today without lots of legs up!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 21, 2016 14:46:54 GMT
That reminds of the scene from that Agatha Christie film Evil Under The Sun when Maggie Smiths character says to Diana Rigg's ex chorus girl done good character "I was so envious. Arlena could always get her legs higher than the rest of us...... and wider"
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 14:51:58 GMT
I think that clapping needs to be seen in the same way as puppy training. If your puppy pees on the sofa, you should not respond by giving it a highly sought after treat. So if an actress pees on the stage we should smack her on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper? Sounds reasonable.
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Post by d'James on May 21, 2016 16:08:55 GMT
That reminds of the scene from that Agatha Christie film Evil Under The Sun when Maggie Smiths character says to Diana Rigg's ex chorus girl done good character "I was so envious. Arlena could always get her legs higher than the rest of us...... and wider" I LOVE that film!!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 16:09:17 GMT
Let's just start clapping sarcastically. They'll learn to leave us alone if we all do it.
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Post by theatremiss on May 21, 2016 17:12:08 GMT
Applause for anything is earned, I've sat in theatres and been tutted at by other audience members for not joining in the applause when I've felt it hasn't Warranted it. I once got berated for not Irving a standing ovation at the end of Miss Saigon! Bloody cheek
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Post by theatremiss on May 21, 2016 17:22:35 GMT
Shoesforrent this is a prime example of why I don't like CHF, she has an air of self importance about her. She winds up her fans to a frenzy in their rabid support of her. She searches her untagged name on Twitter to cause an argument and I recall one evening when I was waiting away from Queens SD for someone I know in the show to come out and when her gaggle of tweenie weenie girl fans had dispersed she saw me standing there and made the assumption I was waiting for her autograph (which I declined). Some may say that was a nice gesture I call it a entitled
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Post by Flim Flam on May 21, 2016 17:52:15 GMT
Not everyone is so prescriptive about standing ovations.
Coriolanus. Tom Hiddleston. Donmar Warehouse. Me sitting in the stalls, front row centre, (thank you Barclays Front Row). During the final bows I was grinning and clapping enthusiastically, but did not join in the standing ovation that had started to surround my companion and I. Mainly because I would have had to extract myself from under my bag and coat etc (not much leg room in the front row) and also because I don't give a standing O for every Bond wannabe I see...
At this point Tom, smiling, looked down at me and gave me a cheeky grin, which I returned (well, not the cheeky bit, but you know what I mean).
Now, he might have simply been grateful to see that the audience was not entirely composed on manic, teenage stalkers, or he might have been trying to entice me to stand, by using the full force of his charm. Not sure which, but I managed to resist standing anyway, despite his best efforts.
Mind you, my friend has never been the same since. I really need to be more careful where I take her in future.
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Post by theatrenut on May 21, 2016 18:46:26 GMT
Interesting discussion following on from the recent incident at 'She Loves Me' where Laura Benanti calmly stopped singing her big solo number and waited for an audience member to switch off tenor ringing mobile.
Her tweet seems like a light-hearted response to something which was probably picked up on / joked about by her castmates at that particular performance. Unfortunately it can come across as entitled and doesn't acknowledge the experience of audience members. Maybe a person sitting in the front row with their arms crossed was dragged to the show by their other half under protest and they rowed about it? Maybe they have arthritis? Maybe (SHOCK! HORROR!) they didn't enjoy that particular song/show. That's their right IMHO. I would feel uncomfortable not making some gesture of appreciation in such circumstances, even if it was half-hearted. But this talk of how hard the people on the stage have worked... jeez!
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Post by kathryn on May 21, 2016 19:35:05 GMT
I'm sure Tom Hiddleston knows that regular theatre goers just don't leap to their feet at the curtain call, and it doesn't mean we didn't love the show and appreciate their hard work on stage, it's just you've got to hold something back for when your mind has been well and truly blown. The more often you go to the theatre the less often that happens.
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Post by shady23 on May 21, 2016 21:10:11 GMT
Carrie
Yet her pinned Tweet on Twitter is that she won't be coming out of the Stage Door much on Tour...
I really don't get why performers would want the audience to clap them because they feel they should out of politeness. If I was performing I would only want genuine applause!
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Post by d'James on May 21, 2016 23:17:19 GMT
Carrie Yet her pinned Tweet on Twitter is that she won't be coming out of the Stage Door much on Tour... I really don't get why performers would want the audience to clap them because they feel they should out of politeness. If I was performing I would only want genuine applause! She doesn't accept that. She's using the courtesy umbrella as a defence. Utter nonsense. Other people have latched on to it too, quoting the definition of courtesy at me. I know what it means and the definition is vague at best so of course you can use it to support the 'applause as courtesy' argument. However, on Planet Earth, most people realise applause is not a given and should certainly not be expected as some performers say 'it's polite.'
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 0:08:38 GMT
That reminds of the scene from that Agatha Christie film Evil Under The Sun when Maggie Smiths character says to Diana Rigg's ex chorus girl done good character "I was so envious. Arlena could always get her legs higher than the rest of us...... and wider" I LOVE that film!! Me too. Smith and Rigg bitching at eachother is a joy, and the "makeover" of one of the villains at the end. Fab. Nicholas Clay looking bloody gorgeous didn't do it any harm either.
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Post by d'James on May 22, 2016 0:11:23 GMT
Me too. Smith and Rigg bitching at eachother is a joy, and the "makeover" of one of the villains at the end. Fab. Nicholas Clay looking bloody gorgeous didn't do it any harm either. SWOON!! Him in those Speedos, wow! Maggie Smith's laugh after Diana Rigg's line 'It sounds like a black man's left leg,' never fails to make me laugh hysterically.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 0:12:22 GMT
I think anyone who ends every tweet/blog entry/post with kisses is to be treated with great suspicion. Passive aggressive or what.
Love you all
BB xxx
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2016 0:15:12 GMT
Me too. Smith and Rigg bitching at eachother is a joy, and the "makeover" of one of the villains at the end. Fab. Nicholas Clay looking bloody gorgeous didn't do it any harm either. SWOON!! Him in those Speedos, wow! Maggie Smith's laugh after Diana Rigg's line 'It sounds like a black man's left leg,' never fails to make me laugh hysterically. Roddy McDowall in a series of sailor suits. "Cherchez le fruit"
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