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Post by Boob on Jul 22, 2018 10:39:28 GMT
It has been done too much but it's still a very great show. Let's not lose sight of that. I have to agree, it’s a very fine show indeed. Oddly enough, as with She Loves Me, it’s not a show whose cast recordings I enjoy listening to - but the dramatic experience is enormously rewarding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 10:43:53 GMT
It has been done too much but it's still a very great show. Let's not lose sight of that. Having been trapped in a seemingly endless discussion on twitter about the same issue but different show, I feel compelled to say (moan) that people saying 'Ugh I don't need to see this again' is not the same as saying 'This show is terrible and nobody should go and see it.' This isn't directed at you personally Mallardo, just a convenient 'case in point' I can agree that Fiddler is a good/great musical, just as I can agree Lear (my other example/issue) is a great play. What I can also say without slight to the work is that I don't need to currently spend £90 to see either of them. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 22, 2018 10:53:05 GMT
I am not quite sure why there is an impression that Fiddler has been done so much that a chamber scale revival is seen as being just too much to handle.
It hasn't been in the West End since 2007. It last toured (in the actor-musician way) in 2013-14
OK it was revived in Chichester and Liverpool last year - but they are regional productions.
It is not as popular as it was with amateur companies.
So I am not sure why many people feel it is 'too much' to have a limited run in a London fringe venue (admittedly one with high ticket prices)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 11:13:29 GMT
Oops apologies if I spelt Menier/Mernier wrong! Your not the first Mr B...and they always put it in the thread title so that you have no choice but to look at it every time you visit the board. It destroys my every waking moment...😏🙄 I'm exactly the same when people use "your" when they mean "you're". |
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Post by squidward on Jul 22, 2018 11:16:31 GMT
I think for many people it’s not just the choice of FOTR, it’s the fact that TCF just seem to have been churning out a mono-diet of rather ‘meh’musical revivals for so long now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 11:19:34 GMT
A John Doyle style actor-musician version might be interesting. Otherwise I’m struggling to see why a fringe venue should be putting on a show that would fit better in the West End. Cast it well and something like The Bridges of Madison County would be a perfect fit for this space.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 22, 2018 11:28:36 GMT
I think the economics of a small space like the Menier means that they will almost inevitably choose musicals that already have some brand awareness. Very few UK audience members will be aware of a musical version of The Bridges of Madison County - and so it would require a lot more marketing effort to persuade people to part with big bucks - particularly as 137 performances on Broadway is not indicative of a show being a huge success on first outing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 13:08:52 GMT
A John Doyle style actor-musician version might be interesting. Otherwise I’m struggling to see why a fringe venue should be putting on a show that would fit better in the West End. Cast it well and something like The Bridges of Madison County would be a perfect fit for this space. But that's been done, the (very good) UK tour was actor musician. I suspect this is happening because Trevor Nunn has a list of shows he wants to direct and this is one, he may have even approached the menier. They may also have a name lined up, so combine menier, Nunn and a star name and the plan could be a west end route like funny girl |
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Post by Jon on Jul 22, 2018 13:48:42 GMT
I think for many people it’s not just the choice of FOTR, it’s the fact that TCF just seem to have been churning out a mono-diet of rather ‘meh’musical revivals for so long now. The Menier does seem to be stagnant lately when it comes to musical revivals but play wise, they've been doing quite well. I wonder if the place needs new blood to shake things up. I think the economics of a small space like the Menier means that they will almost inevitably choose musicals that already have some brand awareness. Very few UK audience members will be aware of a musical version of The Bridges of Madison County - and so it would require a lot more marketing effort to persuade people to part with big bucks - particularly as 137 performances on Broadway is not indicative of a show being a huge success on first outing. The Menier sometimes do new musicals but it's usually their summer musicals. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 14:51:59 GMT
I think for many people it’s not just the choice of FOTR, it’s the fact that TCF just seem to have been churning out a mono-diet of rather ‘meh’musical revivals for so long now. Yes- can't speak for everyone but honestly my response to this wasn't so much 'Ugh Fiddler' more 'Meh, another year I won't be bothering with their musicals then' |
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Post by viserys on Jul 22, 2018 15:09:53 GMT
I think for many people it’s not just the choice of FOTR, it’s the fact that TCF just seem to have been churning out a mono-diet of rather ‘meh’musical revivals for so long now. Yes- can't speak for everyone but honestly my response to this wasn't so much 'Ugh Fiddler' more 'Meh, another year I won't be bothering with their musicals then'
Pretty much my thought too, unless they cast someone I'd really love to see. I've seen Fiddler live only once in my life, so I wouldn't MIND seeing it again, but the Menier's trademark used to be resurrecting shows that hadn't been done for a long time or staging new work. There are plenty shows that are overdue a revival and fresh work would always be welcome, but Fiddler is neither.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 15:13:52 GMT
Yes- can't speak for everyone but honestly my response to this wasn't so much 'Ugh Fiddler' more 'Meh, another year I won't be bothering with their musicals then'
Pretty much my thought too, unless they cast someone I'd really love to see. I've seen Fiddler live only once in my life, so I wouldn't MIND seeing it again, but the Menier's trademark used to be resurrecting shows that hadn't been done for a long time or staging new work. There are plenty shows that are overdue a revival and fresh work would always be welcome, but Fiddler is neither.
Exactly- my thoughts on this are more a general air of disappointment that the theatre itself seems to have lost it's way slightly from the place I used to love. Fiddler is fine, maybe there's scope for some 'unmissable' star casting, or a Doyle-esque revival that I'm missing in my imagination. But little would make me personally RUN to see it anyway. It's a chance for people who haven't to see it sure. But I'd rather the Menier went back to their previous approach. |
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Post by Stephen on Aug 15, 2018 22:36:04 GMT
I've never actually seen it. The only thing is the guns being pointed at me then fired would probably leave me in pieces!
Even the bit in Spamilton with the waterguns got me last week!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 5:29:09 GMT
Fiddler on the Roof confirmed 23rd November 2018 - 9th March 2019 at Menier Chocolate Factory. directed by Trevor Nunn, no cast details
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Post by zahidf on Aug 16, 2018 5:56:26 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 16, 2018 6:43:08 GMT
Posts relating to FOTR in the speculative “Christmas musicals” thread have been moved here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 7:04:59 GMT
I would definitely book for this at the Menier’s ridiculous prices for a fringe venue, if I were a rich man, yubby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum, etc.
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Post by schuttep on Aug 16, 2018 8:17:05 GMT
Received the Menier e-mail about this earlier today. It's an OK musical but it has a never-ending first act that always puts me off. Not sure yet whether I'll go.
On sale:
Souffle: 28 August
Brownie: 30 August
Cupcake: 3 September
Public: 5 September.
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Post by ali973 on Aug 16, 2018 8:17:30 GMT
I'm down because I haven't seen it. And chorus boys with beards.
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Post by musicalmarge on Aug 16, 2018 8:54:40 GMT
I
HATE
THIS
SHOW!!!!!!!!
I’ve seen it 3 times and hated it every time. It’s just so tedious and boring!
ZZZZZZZZ
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Post by jek on Aug 16, 2018 9:09:35 GMT
Saw the Guildhall School of Music version of this, performed by their graduating students, last month. It was enjoyable - especially as the granny of the lad playing Motel the tailor was sitting behind us and, understandably, was completely thrilled at everything, but I can't imagine wanting to see it again so soon unless the cast or production promises something extra special.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 9:14:45 GMT
I HATE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!! I’ve seen it 3 times and hated it every time. It’s just so tedious and boring! ZZZZZZZZ Lovely. See you there then marge! Front row? |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Aug 16, 2018 9:20:16 GMT
Casting predictions then...?
(If you’re still awake)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 9:34:19 GMT
Casting predictions then...? (If you’re still awake) La McDonald as Golde natch. "Oooooh it's a long way from Wakefield 'ere in Imperial Russia". |
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Post by londonmzfitz on Aug 16, 2018 10:53:19 GMT
A quick check shows that I saw it in 1994 at the London Palladium, Topol playing Tevye and his daughter playing .. his daughter ... (Adi Topol played Chava). I'd like to see it again, I always enjoy the film when it's on, but it'll be cheap seat premier prices.
And ..
Well ...
It's not very, er, Christmassy, is it?
Although I guess better than JC Superstar. Maybe they'll save that for Easter ..
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