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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:09:59 GMT
Look, if a show is good enough to win a bunch of awards, then the show is going to win a bunch of awards. Awards are technically about rewarding the cream of the crop, not sharing the accolades around like a school sports day where no child is allowed to feel like a loser. What do you think they should have done? Rejected all their nominations that they worked so hard for? Delayed opening until a year where all the other shows sucked? Asked the judges when they were going to be in so they could be sure to do a half-hearted job that night?
Also, maybe don't judge a show by its cast recording. And make sure you're having the right conversation. It's alright to be concerned that the hype is so extreme that you're worried the show won't live up to it. It's unfair to write a show off as overrated without giving it a decent chance to win you over. It might not, and that's fine, but give it a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:20:07 GMT
I'm going to throw this in there... Hamilton is very overrated for me! I mean it's good and different but I don't think it should of sweeped the TONYS as it didn't give other good musicals a chance too. I don't see the hype and I've heard better shows than this When did you see it on Broadway, George? I'm sure you have a rough idea of some shows you haven't seen yet, nelly! Eh?! I'm allowed to have an opinion, if you read what I said, I said its good and different. But I just think it seems quire overrated and over shows, like Waitress, SoR, Shuffle Along, She Loves Me etc, deserved some awards too? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:23:08 GMT
I agree, I used to judge Hamilton by the word of mouth and the Cast Recording, but it isn't really a fair judgement until you have seen the show.  That said, if we are including the amount of awards, you can only really judge something like the Grammy Award win based solely on the Cast Recording, which I personally thought was deserved, especially as it was quite a weak category anyway (An American in Paris, Fun Home, The King and I and Something Rotten!) though that is not to say the shows are weak, just that Hamilton has the strongest score of the five. |
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Post by Nelly on Jun 30, 2016 17:25:00 GMT
When did you see it on Broadway, George? I'm sure you have a rough idea of some shows you haven't seen yet, nelly! Eh?! I'm allowed to have an opinion, if you read what I said, I said its good and different. But I just think it seems quire overrated and over shows, like Waitress, SoR, Shuffle Along, She Loves Me etc, deserved some awards too? Actually, I don't think you should be allowed to have an opinion on any award a show has or hasn't won if you haven't seen it, other than best score and even then a cast recording might not have everything you hear on it. Not liking the style or a cast recording is one thing but to say something shouldn't have swept awards when you haven't seen it AND say that it didn't give other musicals a chance too is just utter rubbish. They had as much chance of winning as Hamilton did. In fact the hype could have done Hamilton a disservice when it came to awards time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:29:37 GMT
I'm sure you have a rough idea of some shows you haven't seen yet, nelly! Eh?! I'm allowed to have an opinion, if you read what I said, I said its good and different. But I just think it seems quire overrated and over shows, like Waitress, SoR, Shuffle Along, She Loves Me etc, deserved some awards too? Actually, I don't think you should be allowed to have an opinion on any award a show has or hasn't won if you haven't seen it, other than best score and even then a cast recording might not have everything you hear on it. Not liking the style or a cast recording is one thing but to say something shouldn't have swept awards when you haven't seen it AND say that it didn't give other musicals a chance too is just utter rubbish. They had as much chance of winning as the others did. It was almost inevitable that Hamilton was going to win at basically every awards to be honest. This is just what my preconceived opinion is. Please don't have a go, I'm not having a go at you. Reasons people don't go and see certain shows are because they don't fancy the show because of the story, songs and other factors. Otherwise, people just would go to every show there is going. I'm sure you haven't seen every show going and have had to pick and choose what you would like to see, this is the same with me for Hamilton. It's not exactly a big deal... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:37:39 GMT
The reason it was inevitable it would do well at the Tonys is because the majority of people that saw it thought it was better than the other shows nominated. Tonys aren't given for effort or participation they're given for the quality of the show and its components. If one show and its components are superior to every other show that year then that's the show that deserves to win most of the awards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:49:01 GMT
The reason it was inevitable it would do well at the Tonys is because the majority of people that saw it thought it was better than the other shows nominated. Tonys aren't given for effort or participation they're given for the quality of the show and its components. If one show and its components are superior to every other show that year then that's the show that deserves to win most of the awards. I know that, but read what I said before too. I said that it's not a show I would choose to see and I believe it's fairly overrated (from what I've seen/heard) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 17:52:53 GMT
The reason it was inevitable it would do well at the Tonys is because the majority of people that saw it thought it was better than the other shows nominated. Tonys aren't given for effort or participation they're given for the quality of the show and its components. If one show and its components are superior to every other show that year then that's the show that deserves to win most of the awards. I know that, but read what I said before too. I said that it's not a show I would choose to see and I believe it's fairly overrated (from what I've seen/heard) You can say that it's not something you would choose to see but you can't say it's overrated or didn't deserve all its awards without having seen it. Or you can, but there's no validity to what you're saying. |
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Jun 30, 2016 17:53:03 GMT
100% agree with Nelly, really wish people would stop judging Hamilton because it features rap. To say it doesn't sound like your type of show is absolutely fine, but an opinion saying that you think the show is overrated and didn't deserve any awards, even though you've never seen it, isn't a valid opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 18:00:59 GMT
100% agree with Nelly, really wish people would stop judging Hamilton because it features rap. To say it doesn't sound like your type of show is absolutely fine, but an opinion saying that you think the show is overrated and didn't deserve any awards, even though you've never seen it, isn't a valid opinion. I didn't say it didn't deserve any awards, I said I felt it was a little unfair to the other shows that deserved awards too. Hamilton seems okay, but it just isn't the sort of show that appeals to me and I'd much rather see other stuff over it. By overrated I mean that I don't get the hype around it and I'm scared that the hype will fade by October 2017 and won't live up to people's expectations after it sweeped the Tonys and everyone says how good it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 18:05:57 GMT
Put it this way George. Let's imagine a scenario where after the Funny Girl cast recording gets released, someone listens to it but does not choose to see the show. Then Sheridan wins the Olivier. This person then says that Sheridan is overrated in the role and did not deserve the award over the other actors. Would you think that is a fair opinion?
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Jun 30, 2016 18:09:12 GMT
100% agree with Nelly, really wish people would stop judging Hamilton because it features rap. To say it doesn't sound like your type of show is absolutely fine, but an opinion saying that you think the show is overrated and didn't deserve any awards, even though you've never seen it, isn't a valid opinion. I didn't say it didn't deserve any awards, I said I felt it was a little unfair to the other shows that deserved awards too. Hamilton seems okay, but it just isn't the sort of show that appeals to me and I'd much rather see other stuff over it. By overrated I mean that I don't get the hype around it and I'm scared that the hype will fade by October 2017 and won't live up to people's expectations after it sweeped the Tonys and everyone says how good it is. Do you not think the best shows should get the best awards? It sucks that some shows got left out, it really does, but these awards aren't just for fun. BTW In your original post you did say Hamilton was overrated... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 18:20:32 GMT
I didn't say it didn't deserve any awards, I said I felt it was a little unfair to the other shows that deserved awards too. Hamilton seems okay, but it just isn't the sort of show that appeals to me and I'd much rather see other stuff over it. By overrated I mean that I don't get the hype around it and I'm scared that the hype will fade by October 2017 and won't live up to people's expectations after it sweeped the Tonys and everyone says how good it is. Do you not think the best shows should get the best awards? It sucks that some shows got left out, it really does, but these awards aren't just for fun. BTW In your original post you did say Hamilton was overrated...Like I explained in the post you quoted, by overrated I mean that I don't get the hype. I shouldn't of used the word overrated, I mean I don't get the hype that surrounds it. It looks like a good show, but I don't see how it's sooo popular and I fear that it won't live up to the hype in London. That's what I meant |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 18:23:06 GMT
Put it this way George. Let's imagine a scenario where after the Funny Girl cast recording gets released, someone listens to it but does not choose to see the show. Then Sheridan wins the Olivier. This person then says that Sheridan is overrated in the role and did not deserve the award over the other actors. Would you think that is a fair opinion? Yes when you put it like that, I understand your point. I agree that the best shows should get the awards and I can't really comment on Hamilton winning if I haven't seen it, I'm going by videos I've seen and the story and songs. What I meant to say originally, was that it doesn't seem like a show that is my cup of tea. I dont know if I'm missing something. The story doesn't appeal to me neither does the style of the music. Hence why I said I'd much rather see other shows over this. Sorry for the way I phrased this by the way, when you said that I understood your point. Sorry for the confusion  |
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Post by shady23 on Jun 30, 2016 18:27:55 GMT
Cats.
By far the most bizarre and dated show I have ever seen. Talented cast but I don't see the appeal. The fact they make so much of the "star" role, who is barely on stage, is another thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 18:52:02 GMT
You really cant judge a show by the cast recording. Hairspray never grabbed me until i actually saw it live, in the heights (and i dont like hip hop/rap) i was encouraged to see on broadway and loved it but still never listen to the cast recording
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Post by d'James on Jun 30, 2016 20:03:02 GMT
In The Heights totally didn't sound like my thing (I don't listen to Cast Recordings before I've seen a show), but I couldn't have been more wrong. That is all down to cheap tickets though. (Although if you go by most premium prices, I'd say most shows are overrated nowadays.)
I could never say a show was overrated without seeing it, but I could say the publicity and ubiquity is annoying and it really doesn't sound like my thing but that's all.
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jun 30, 2016 20:22:14 GMT
I have to add that if anyone thinks the Tonys (and every other award show in the buisness of entertainment) aren't a game of politics they're delusional. There are so many stories from history of the Tonys and others to support this, I won't be suprised if some of this season surface at some point..
Was Hamilton the strongest overall show this season? Yes. Did it deserve all 11 awards? Not in my opinion.
Is Hamilton a really fun inventive fresh show? Yes absaloutly. Is it the second coming of musical theatre? Nope- but it sure is made out to be in the media, that makes it overrated in my opinion... doesn't take anything away from the great show it is though
But are the awards given on quality alone? Nope no they aren't.
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Post by avenueqresident on Jul 1, 2016 10:42:15 GMT
Joseph. I'll never forgive ALW for writing "Benjamin is honest as coconuts"
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Post by danb on Jul 1, 2016 11:01:50 GMT
Joseph. I'll never forgive ALW for writing "Benjamin is honest as coconuts" To be fair...it was Tim Rice. ALW is responsible for numerous crimes but this was not one of them. |
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Post by ali973 on Jul 1, 2016 11:23:04 GMT
I found Kinky Boots overrated. Maybe not THE most overrated, but I had quite high expectations but the book and the dialogue were so basic and pedestrian. They should have consulted Ru Paul for better drag humor. This was very basic. The songs are still good though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 12:55:15 GMT
Anyway, it's factually correct. There is absolutely NO court case in the world where a coconut has been convicted of any crime at all. A quick bit of searching shows that although the coconuts themselves haven't been found guilty they have been involved on the defence side of several successful personal injury claims. Considering how many claims they've been involved in and how many times someone else has ended up being convicted in place of the coconut it does seem that they're remarkably skilled at framing people. |
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Post by trapdoor on Jul 1, 2016 13:03:25 GMT
I'm sensing a theme here...musicals I can't abide all feature coconuts! Spamalot, Joseph and South Pacific!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 13:29:02 GMT
Just because coconuts are law-abiding doesn't mean they're honest. They could be perfectly legal compulsive liars for all we know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 13:51:19 GMT
I have to admit that I think the current show of Bugsy Malone is very overrated. Went last year thinking it would be great because of the reviews but it felt like a high school production!!
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