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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:27:32 GMT
How can you say there is no plot? The show tells the Marquis's life-story in chronological order. In as much as He lived and died Yes Then there is a plot The shrill voice of the lead actor Is simply dreadful Like a teenager going through puberty Does he actually think it’s a performance which is watchable? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:31:05 GMT
Surely the performance refers to that of the Marquis? Like Sally Bowles in Cabaret?
And the narrative is much more detailed than you are saying, as you must know if you listened to the words.
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Post by showgirl on Dec 2, 2017 22:49:54 GMT
Well HG, it surely can't be the case that London audiences are more sophisticated and demanding, can it? So maybe - as in the case of a couple of recent plays at the Orange Tree, mentioned in another thread - it's simply a case of differing tastes. As after all, we are each still allowed our own opinion, aren't we, even if it's at variance with that of others?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:53:34 GMT
I've only thrown in a few facts, to correct the alternative facts which were posted.
I haven't given my own opinions on the show. Nor commented on others' opinions.
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Post by peggs on Dec 2, 2017 22:58:46 GMT
Fortunately I lack all sophistication. I think we're on a quite genial discussion so far.
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Post by showgirl on Dec 2, 2017 23:10:45 GMT
Indeed, having elsewhere declared my enjoyment of Guy Ritchie films, I have outed myself as a lowbrow. At least the discussion is proving more engaging than the play was for some.
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Post by peggs on Dec 2, 2017 23:15:23 GMT
Parsley please share how you would have entertained us. A song and dance routine? A lecture? A bit of mime?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 23:19:27 GMT
I was oddly charmed and amused, whilst trying to remember where I'd heard about this guy before. Probably not where you heard of the Marquis, but Marc Rees created and performed a vivid solo show Gloria Days about ten years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 0:17:06 GMT
Parsley please share how you would have entertained us. A song and dance routine? A lecture? A bit of mime? Various Bollywood songs And routines Some from Madonna And my own version of 42nd street |
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Post by showgirl on Dec 3, 2017 6:57:36 GMT
Oh Parsley, if only we had known you were there - your proposals sound vastly more entertaining. But would we have been allowed to join in with the Bollywood songs? (Starts warbling from favourite soundtrack..)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 11:53:40 GMT
Parsley please share how you would have entertained us. A song and dance routine? A lecture? A bit of mime? Various Bollywood songs And routines Some from Madonna And my own version of 42nd street Which Madonna era though? Only that will dictate whether it would be entertaining or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 12:11:36 GMT
Various Bollywood songs And routines Some from Madonna And my own version of 42nd street Which Madonna era though? Only that will dictate whether it would be entertaining or not. A cross section from all “My sugar is raw Sticky and sweet” |
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Post by peggs on Dec 3, 2017 16:46:33 GMT
Goodness.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Dec 3, 2017 18:12:38 GMT
Any chance that the YV season shows can be broken out into individual threads as it's often confusing to know which show is being talked about/slated by Parsley?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 11:29:12 GMT
How To Win Against Parsley...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 16:22:46 GMT
What might have seemed charmingly ramshackle at the Fringe here feels stretched and, dare I say it, rather amateurish. The three actors at one point embark on a road-trip, using the keyboard as a makeshift car. On a small stage, these things are easy to get away with. But the actors are exposed in these more capacious surroundings
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 16:23:11 GMT
What might have seemed charmingly ramshackle at the Fringe here feels stretched and, dare I say it, rather amateurish. The three actors at one point embark on a road-trip, using the keyboard as a makeshift car. On a small stage, these things are easy to get away with. But the actors are exposed in these more capacious surroundings This review from telegraph says it all |
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Post by zahidf on Dec 6, 2017 16:46:25 GMT
What might have seemed charmingly ramshackle at the Fringe here feels stretched and, dare I say it, rather amateurish. The three actors at one point embark on a road-trip, using the keyboard as a makeshift car. On a small stage, these things are easy to get away with. But the actors are exposed in these more capacious surroundings The maria 'capacious'? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 18:25:52 GMT
The Telegraph reviwer doesn’t seem to realise the context of what he is watching, also he misses the whole point about high camp (not liking it is fine, but the outward display masking something else is the whole point, not a flaw).
Content dictates form, the content is the true story of a high camp outsider trying to put on classy productions and failing, which is what the audience are (somewhat knowingly) presented with. He doesn’t even get past the necessity of ‘content dictates form’.
Many will find its ostentatious flamboyance too much but you’d think a national reviewer would realise that the style is the whole point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 18:48:50 GMT
The Telegraph reviwer doesn’t seem to realise the context of what he is watching, also he misses the whole point about high camp (not liking it is fine, but the outward display masking something else is the whole point, not a flaw). Content dictates form, the content is the true story of a high camp outsider trying to put on classy productions and failing, which is what the audience are (somewhat knowingly) presented with. He doesn’t even get past the necessity of ‘content dictates form’. Many will find its ostentatious flamboyance too much but you’d think a national reviewer would realise that the style is the whole point. Yes the WOS reviewer also Seems to miss it Awarding 2 stars We all know excrement is not good for you Without having to eat it in order to realise this |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 19:14:57 GMT
What might have seemed charmingly ramshackle at the Fringe here feels stretched and, dare I say it, rather amateurish. The three actors at one point embark on a road-trip, using the keyboard as a makeshift car. On a small stage, these things are easy to get away with. But the actors are exposed in these more capacious surroundings The maria 'capacious'? Exactly And the show STILL Looks Misplaced and lost Perhaps better in The Clare? It’s a good lesson for These Crappy cheapy inferior Fringe shows Thinking they are worthy Of anything meaningful |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 19:39:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 1:36:59 GMT
The WOS reviewer admits that their reaction was the antithesis of the audience. He actually pinpoints his own problem in the review but doesn’t seem to realise it. ‘Relentlessly self indulgent’, well, yes, because it is about a reckessly self indulgent figure and ‘too mannered’, I mean, have they never so much as looked up ‘camp’ in the dictionary? As I say, people will dislike it because they take against the style (which appears to be their real problem) but to misunderstand why it is the way it is, is just muddled thinking. Both The Telegraph and WOS used their first string reviewer for a previous review of it and both gave it five stars (Cavendish and Trueman) on the back of understanding the intent.
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Post by MrBunbury on Dec 7, 2017 13:48:37 GMT
I must admit that when I saw "How to win against history" last week, I was rather underwhelmed. It is not bad at all, but probably the glowing reviews from Edinburgh had made me expect something fabulous. I took a friend who has now dismissed me as a reliable source of good entertainment...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 16:21:22 GMT
Seeing it on Wednesday - if I can get my act together. But are you taking it on the road?!   (Diane Langton... blast from the past...saw her playing Morales in A Chorus Line...) Just browsing and realise that I saw her as Morales too! Jeez, how old are we?! |
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