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Post by zahidf on Jul 12, 2017 11:09:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:40:51 GMT
Sounds interesting and a good fit for the theatre.
Although I find comments like this from Emma Rice - "Old Vic, which is on the south bank, looking across the river at all the posh theatres." - strange given the Old Vic has the snootiest front-of-house staff in London.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:56:45 GMT
The Bridge and The Yard Theatres operating year round, Elliott & Harper popping up at Wyndham's and elsewhere to be announced, Wise Children resident at The Old Vic, and HighTide Festival in Walthamstow and Paines Plough Roundabout shows at the Orange Tree.
London theatre is changing for the better.
The Royal Court is exploding in international and local focus, and in venues from the Site to the Gielgud to Tottenham and Pimlico.
The Bush now has a Theatre and a Studio, and the Tricycle will soon open in expansion after a show at the Dorfman.
Only Hampstead and Shakespeare's Globe (post-Emma Rice) are teetering on the brink.
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Post by zahidf on Jul 12, 2017 13:24:47 GMT
The Bridge and The Yard Theatres operating year round, Elliott & Harper popping up at Wyndham's and elsewhere to be announced, Wise Children resident at The Old Vic, and HighTide Festival in Walthamstow and Paines Plough Roundabout shows at the Orange Tree. London theatre is changing for the better. The Royal Court is exploding in international and local focus, and in venues from the Site to the Gielgud to Tottenham and Pimlico. The Bush now has a Theatre and a Studio, and the Tricycle will soon open in expansion after a show at the Dorfman. Only Hampstead and Shakespeare's Globe (post-Emma Rice) are teetering on the brink.
Hampstead is doing ok commercially and critically aren't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 13:31:08 GMT
Perhaps just not to my taste.
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Post by lynette on Jul 12, 2017 14:03:52 GMT
Sounds interesting and a good fit for the theatre. Although I find comments like this from Emma Rice - "Old Vic, which is on the south bank, looking across the river at all the posh theatres." - strange given the Old Vic has the snootiest front-of-house staff in London. We gonna have a posh test are we? What a stooopid comment. |
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Post by kathryn on Jul 12, 2017 15:13:52 GMT
Sounds interesting and a good fit for the theatre. Although I find comments like this from Emma Rice - "Old Vic, which is on the south bank, looking across the river at all the posh theatres." - strange given the Old Vic has the snootiest front-of-house staff in London. Surely the Old Vic is the poshest theatre around?! The West End theatres tend to try to draw mixed crowds of tourists and day trippers as well as wealthy Londoners and the odd theatre geek. The only theatre that matches the Old Vic for 'poshness' of audience, in my experience, is Hampstead. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 12, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
As if I needed another reason not to visit the Old Vic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:37:05 GMT
The only truly posh theatrical venue I can think of is the Royal Opera House, and even all that poshness must mostly be for show, as they still let me in.
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Post by kryz1000 on Jul 12, 2017 16:08:20 GMT
Perhaps just not to my taste. Lordy. They're 'not to your taste' so they're 'teetering on the brink'? |
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Post by cirque on Jul 12, 2017 16:30:23 GMT
Emma Rice describes Wise Children as a 'love letter to theatre'.....she describes all her shows the same way.
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Post by lynette on Jul 12, 2017 16:33:51 GMT
Kathryn, Hampstead isn't posh. It's drab if anything, the food is terrible, the seating bizarre and the audience a bit long in the tooth but they know their stuff. Sometimes the plays are good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 16:37:07 GMT
Yes, she'd never work at Hampstead. Far too few elderly Jewish business owners and dissatisfied office workers in all her shows.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 12, 2017 16:41:06 GMT
Kathryn, Hampstead isn't posh. It's drab if anything, the food is terrible, the seating bizarre and the audience a bit long in the tooth but they know their stuff. Sometimes the plays are good. I guess it feels posh to me because, well, Hampstead. I always feel a bit out of place there, and get the impression a lot of the audience book everything just 'cos it's their local theatre. I have definitely overheard conversations there among people who have no idea what they're seeing. Edit: I'm guessing you live in Hampstead, Lynette, and so it's not 'posh' to you. I feel more comfortable at the Old Vic though it definitely has more of the 'posh' trimmings because it's closer to the West End theatres Emma Rice is sneering at, and more welcoming/makes more of an effort to reach new audiences. |
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Post by lynette on Jul 12, 2017 16:48:39 GMT
Live in Hampstead. I wish! Yes, people do book because it is the local. Ain't that a good thing? West End too expensive and the National too unpredictable. Almeida too achingly fashionable...etc. But most of the audience will patronise all of the other London theatres. It is a theatre loving community. 😂😂And, yes many times people don't know what they are seeing because 'she' booked it or someone else booked it to make a cosy foursome.
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Post by jadnoop on Jul 12, 2017 16:53:39 GMT
Perhaps just not to my taste. Lordy. They're 'not to your taste' so they're 'teetering on the brink'? Ticket sales to members of this board are what keeps most London theatres financially viable. Indeed, revenue from sales of red wine to TheatreBoard members alone pays for the mud to be cleared off the stage after each performance of Common at the National.  |
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Post by kryz1000 on Jul 12, 2017 17:12:21 GMT
But to the topic.
An interesting move for ER and the OV.
I’ve been thinking a great deal over the last few weeks about not liking ER’s work. I’m sorry but it’s just not for me. But who is it for? The argument about ‘new and young’ audiences has been brought up a great deal over the last year (and has been resurrected, just a little, by ER’s predecessor this last week or so). But, whatever the facts about audience data, why are ‘new and young’ audiences, frankly, having to ‘make do’ with exactly the sort of visual language and schtick that, indeed, turned me onto theatre thirty years or so ago?
Kneehigh’s Wikipedia entry (so it must be true) dates them to 1980. Earlier, indeed, than the likes of Volcano (1988), DV8 (1993), Complicite (1983), Trestle (1981), Forced Entertainment (1984) and most certainly Frantic (1994) and Punchdrunk (2000). Many of those outfits are still around, some have passed by the wayside a little and others (and their members) have developed their language and their reach – from McBurney through to Hoggett. Could it be argued that ER hasn’t ‘moved on’ in the same way? Could it be argued that she could or should have done so to make way for others?
There is a question of opportunity, I appreciate. The 80s and 90s were great years for theatrical innovation. Just as the 60s were with Brook, Joan Littlewood, Ken Campbell and Berkoff. Circumstances are different these days for directors, writers and devisers wanting to make their name and get ahead. The atmosphere for a new language to emerge into might just not be there.
But I remain sad and baffled that people are getting (over) excited about a ‘brand’ of physical, devised, experimental theatre that’s now 30 years old (or, ok, 14 years old if you go by Kneehigh’s website and the production of Tristan and Yseult (something things do, indeed, never change)) but is being proclaimed by young and old alike as new, exciting, relevant, contemporary and ‘down with the kids’ (a form of words that does, of course, date me).
As I said – I don’t deny that this is exactly the sort of thing that got me going 30 years ago. Lots of sexy young people jumping up and down to loud music to detract me from the fact that it was in fact Ibsen (Volcano – How to Live) or Shakespeare (Fecund - Hamlet) that I was watching. But I moved on and I remain grateful for the fact that I got hooked in the first place. But, I would argue, today’s 20-something theatre addicts of tomorrow deserve someone and something of (sorry…) their own age and generation (as I did). So let’s find and celebrate them.
By the way. One small queston of geography. Was ER’s ACE grant not designed to be part of the ‘regional agenda’ and therefore West Country intended? Why, therefore, the Old Vic? Just asking.
I wish her well. But I don’t think I’ll be going. And although I hope it finds an audience, I hope the kids get something else entirely and soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:23:04 GMT
Agree with all the above. Her comment about "posh venues" is a good example of the having the cake and eating it attitude of pretending to be kicking against the theatrical establishment while actually being as embedded in it as it's possible to be. Re location - perhaps they thought she meant "Bristol Old Vic" on her funding application Still seems they will be "based in the South West" and their aim is to produce touring productions in partnership with a range of venues. So not inconsistent although announcing this in isolation does give that impression. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
Will be an interesting link up, I'm assuming Matthew Warchus as Artistic Director has signed this deal off. I'll be interested to see how many plays Emma's company does at the Old Vic each year. Ideally no more than a couple - it acts as their London base and fills agreed gaps in Matthew's programming.
It allows Matthew to operate on a quality rather than quantity basis whilst not taking up too much of the Old Vic's year plus gives the theatre another artistic director's ideas via Emma.
Does anyone think that the photo of Emma on Whats On Stage that she almost has a similar hairstyle to Don King.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
The woman is artistically awful
Always low budget
Cheap props
And babyish
They feel
Sorry for
Her
And someone felt obliged to give her a job
NO reason to attend the Old Vic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 20:21:45 GMT
A great director of popular theatre, as evidenced by audiences (I love the elitist work of those such as Katie Mitchell but there should be room in anyone's life for both, to focus on one at the expense of the other is just too limiting). The list is long, Tristan and Yseult, Red Shoes, Brief Encounter, The Wild Bride (less well known but, for me, their best show), etc.
Regarding Kneehigh, they are a noticeably different company than the one back in the eighties, mostly indoors now, for a start. Since the split to create Wildworks with the sadly recently passed Bill Mitchell I would say. It's really about 12 years or so that this happened and I put them in the same era as Punchdrunk, way after Complicite.
As for where theatre is new, we need to see the increasing merging with technology, as well as different methods of storytelling, such as multiple simultaneous narratives.
EDIT: 'cheap props', Parsley, you really don't understand the concept of rough theatre do you?
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Post by duncan on Jul 12, 2017 20:24:40 GMT
Will be an interesting link up, I'm assuming Matthew Warchus as Artistic Director has signed this deal off. I'll be interested to see how many plays Emma's company does at the Old Vic each year. Ideally no more than a couple - it acts as their London base and fills agreed gaps in Matthew's programming. It allows Matthew to operate on a quality rather than quantity basis whilst not taking up too much of the Old Vic's year plus gives the theatre another artistic director's ideas via Emma. Or it allows Warchus to pass the buck at the poor returns the Vic may get in future years from a run of poor productions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 20:41:47 GMT
But to the topic. An interesting move for ER and the OV. Kryz1000, the references you make are to British companies but their best work has always fed off global figures; Littlewood and Brecht, Brook and Artaud etc. It's the same now, Icke and Van Hove, Emma Rice and Staniewski (and by extension, Bakhtin, folk culture and the carnivalesque), the debt we pay to European theatre is huge, partly because we remain more conservative than the continent and slow to pick up on the new. for new British young companies, I'd suggest Barrel Organ and the Irish company Dead Centre as being interesting developments, cross media, Kate Tempest is a force of nature (pun intended) To be honest, nothing is ever new, it is just work created by newer, younger people. |
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Post by zahidf on Jul 12, 2017 21:53:36 GMT
From the standard's article, sounds like they will have 2 plays in the 2018/19 season
For rices stuff, i find when it works, it works really well (Tristan,midsummers night dream, 786, brief encounter) and when it doesnt, its a car wreck (Cymberline). Definitely isnt boring at least! Judging from last years globe season, it def appeals to youngsters/ non theatre people
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 22:13:46 GMT
From the standard's article, sounds like they will have 2 plays in the 2018/19 season Meaning Wise Children may stage a second play as part of their Old Vic residency. It amused me that Emma Rice says she doesn't know at all how she'll adapt the novel - that she hasn't bothered about that yet. I guess that comment will delight those who love her work and enrage those who don't (yet). |
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