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Post by daniel on Mar 2, 2017 21:55:54 GMT
dizzieblonde I believe it's towards the end of 2018, but I don't know any more detail than that I'm afraid.
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Post by Jon on Mar 2, 2017 21:56:14 GMT
2019/20  Good to know, wonder if Les Mis might tour in 2020 to coincide with the 35th anniversary, Mormon will do well on tour. |
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Post by cheesy116 on Mar 2, 2017 21:58:09 GMT
Any idea if this will come to Glasgow ? The Kings Theatre get a few of the big tours like Wicked but missed out on Lion King and Billy Elliot.
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Post by daniel on Mar 2, 2017 21:59:50 GMT
Any idea if this will come to Glasgow ? The Kings Theatre get a few of the big tours like Wicked but missed out on Lion King and Billy Elliot. Not sure on that one I'm afraid. Glasgow is a big market though and Matilda would do well there so I can see it happening tbh! |
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Post by daniel on Mar 2, 2017 22:04:57 GMT
2019/20 Good to know, wonder if Les Mis might tour in 2020 to coincide with the 35th anniversary, Mormon will do well on tour. Les Mis was "confirmed" for a 30th anniversary tour which ended up not happening...it'll definitely tour but when is anybody's guess! Personally, I reckon it'll be after Lion King. There's a lot of big shows out on tour in the next few years that will all be competing with each other - I think it would be sensible of Les Mis to hang fire until Wicked/Matilda/Lion King have died down, then they can be the big one on tour. Just my two penneth...as with all of these things, none of us really have a clue, but time will tell! |
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Post by cheesy116 on Mar 2, 2017 22:18:36 GMT
Any idea if this will come to Glasgow ? The Kings Theatre get a few of the big tours like Wicked but missed out on Lion King and Billy Elliot. Not sure on that one I'm afraid. Glasgow is a big market though and Matilda would do well there so I can see it happening tbh! Thanks Daniel, I'm only 15 minutes from Glasgow but can get to Edinburgh fairly easily so it isn't too much of a problem. I'm more interested in where this may open ? I would love to be there for opening night. |
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Post by Jon on Mar 2, 2017 22:24:00 GMT
Wicked did Glasgow and Aberdeen so it's possible but they may opt just to do a long run in Edinburgh.
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Post by daniel on Mar 2, 2017 22:25:23 GMT
Not sure on that one I'm afraid. Glasgow is a big market though and Matilda would do well there so I can see it happening tbh! Thanks Daniel, I'm only 15 minutes from Glasgow but can get to Edinburgh fairly easily so it isn't too much of a problem. I'm more interested in where this may open ? I would love to be there for opening night. Havent the foggiest idea I'm afraid...although someone further up suggested possibly Dublin for Christmas. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 3, 2017 0:23:41 GMT
The Lowry is the better theatre, in fact one of my favourite in the country!!! However the Palace holds 225 more people, so would take £70k extra a week, so have to assume why Wicked is going back to the Palace and not the Lowry. Surprised that The Lion King has never toured again. Surprised Cam Mack is involved, I mean him and RSC don't see eye to eye. I'm assume The Lion King will tour again but not for a while, I think 2019 would be a good bet to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the London production. I could see Mormon touring as well but not yet. Its a show that wouldn't be too hard to tour I agree, Mormon will hit the road in due course and as you say it isn't too hard to tour, which I agree with, so saying that Mormon could also drop into smaller theatres that something like The Lion King/Wicked couldn't such as Sheffield or Blackpool. Like Matilda, I would suggest Book of Mormon is another show performing excellently at the box office and won't be going anywhere soon. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has been suggest to tour sometime. I am sure Kinky Boots/Motown will be hitting the road? No doubt The Lion King will go out again in the next 3 years and maybe Aladdin will follow it? |
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Post by Dan213 on Mar 3, 2017 0:44:49 GMT
I'm assume The Lion King will tour again but not for a while, I think 2019 would be a good bet to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the London production. I could see Mormon touring as well but not yet. Its a show that wouldn't be too hard to tour I agree, Mormon will hit the road in due course and as you say it isn't too hard to tour, which I agree with, so saying that Mormon could also drop into smaller theatres that something like The Lion King/Wicked couldn't such as Sheffield or Blackpool. Like Matilda, I would suggest Book of Mormon is another show performing excellently at the box office and won't be going anywhere soon. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has been suggest to tour sometime. I am sure Kinky Boots/Motown will be hitting the road? No doubt The Lion King will go out again in the next 3 years and maybe Aladdin will follow it? The issue with Wicked is due to it being an ATG tour and performances as such are always at ATG theatres. The likes of Sheffield and many others are easily big enough to handle it, however are not part of the ATG chain |
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Post by daniel on Mar 3, 2017 0:49:31 GMT
I agree, Mormon will hit the road in due course and as you say it isn't too hard to tour, which I agree with, so saying that Mormon could also drop into smaller theatres that something like The Lion King/Wicked couldn't such as Sheffield or Blackpool. Like Matilda, I would suggest Book of Mormon is another show performing excellently at the box office and won't be going anywhere soon. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has been suggest to tour sometime. I am sure Kinky Boots/Motown will be hitting the road? No doubt The Lion King will go out again in the next 3 years and maybe Aladdin will follow it? The issue with Wicked is due to it being an ATG tour and performances as such are always at ATG theatres. The likes of Sheffield and many others are easily big enough to handle it, however are not part of the ATG chain Wicked isn't an ATG tour. It is playing five ATG venues, but also going to Birmingham Hippodrome, Leeds Grand, Dublin Bord Gais, Southampton Mayflower and Cardiff WMC, all of which are non-ATG. |
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Post by Dan213 on Mar 3, 2017 1:09:27 GMT
The issue with Wicked is due to it being an ATG tour and performances as such are always at ATG theatres. The likes of Sheffield and many others are easily big enough to handle it, however are not part of the ATG chain Wicked isn't an ATG tour. It is playing five ATG venues, but also going to Birmingham Hippodrome, Leeds Grand, Dublin Bord Gais, Southampton Mayflower and Cardiff WMC, all of which are non-ATG. Ah right ok. I could have sworn I read it was somewhere. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 3, 2017 1:20:39 GMT
Always thought ATG alone aren't big enough to sustain a big tour and would use secondary venues, I don't know the finite details for each theatre and only used Sheffield and Blackpool as a a crude guide, to take a big tour you will need 3 factors; 1 - A big enough stage to fit the production 2 - Enough Wing/Fly space to hold additional set/costume 3 - Enough audience capacity to make the venue pay.
Saying all that I would be genuinely interested to find out what tours could/couldn't fit, in our smaller regional theatres, referring to point number 2 above, a couple of theatres had to do building works to hold The Lion King tour. For point 3 I made tours used to overlook Dublin as there wasn't a sizeable venue to hold a tour, to make the figures work.
Incidentally on the last Wicked tour, it returned to Manchester at the Lowry and not the Palace, which is ATG operated.
I am sure any big tour will get first choice in their diary
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Post by daniel on Mar 3, 2017 1:42:02 GMT
It's really interesting isn't it Phantom of London. The big "number 1" tours will have their venues pencilled in years in advance (someone I know works in a venue which has shows booked as late as 2021 already) this means that big producers bag the dates they want. Equally theatre owners want certain shows at certain times of the year...if they hear an indication that a show is planning to tour, they'll book it in when they want it, even if the final dates end up changing. An example being the venues which have big family musicals for their Christmas/summer seasons...these will be pencilled in years in advance to get the show's that they want. It can also happen where shows have to pull out of venues after being "confirmed" when they realise the production won't fit. There's always that balance to strike wherby producers want to sell as many seats as possible, with the least number of empty seats. We're seeing more and more now shows that could sell Edinburgh Playhouse going to the Festival Theatre (Poppins/Saigon) and shows that could sell Birmingham Hippodrome going to the Alex (Shrek/Jersey Boys) and I'm sure countless other examples around the country...the point being, the slightly smaller theatres appeal to producers as they can ramp the prices up due to surpressed demand...Book of Mormon London-style! Anyway sorry for dragging the thread off topic, I just find the the logistics of the whole thing fascinating! |
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Post by Jon on Mar 3, 2017 1:56:18 GMT
I imagine with a show like JB, it could sell the Hippodrome but ATG who are one of the producers want it to go into their own venue as it would fit and not be dwarfed by a huge theatre, same applies to Shrek plus a lot of the smaller tours do get lost in the huge venues, same with plays.
The Manchester Palace and Lowry do seem to get the best shows whereas the Opera House get sloppy seconds, probably the disadvantage of having three huge theatres in one area
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Post by Phantom of London on Mar 3, 2017 1:57:31 GMT
I agree with the dynamic pricing.
I also agree producers bag their slots years ahead, but conversely a Theatr wouldn't except a one night only gig like Chas and Dave, Des O'Connor or Rob Beckett and the such 3 years in advance. I would also suggest a lot of tactical planning goes into planning the logistics of a tour for example, if you play Manchester, you wouldn't necessary do Liverpool as your next stop, and would probably do that a couple of months later, as the cities aren't far apart and you can get returning trade after memories of that last great night out.
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Post by Jon on Mar 3, 2017 2:01:57 GMT
I agree with the dynamic pricing. I also agree producers bag their slots years ahead, but conversely a Theatr wouldn't except a one night only gig like Chas and Dave, Des O'Connor or Rob Beckett and the such 3 years in advance. I would also suggest a lot of tactical planning goes into planning the logistics of a tour for example, if you play Manchester, you wouldn't necessary do Liverpool as your next stop, and would probably do that a couple of months later, as the cities aren't far apart and you can get returning trade after memories of that last great night out. One nighters usually go on Sundays and you'd find some comedians have their tour schedule on sale for 2018 never mind 2017! Good point about stops between close cities, you rarely see Bristol and Cardiff next to each other on tour stops either |
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Post by cheesy116 on Mar 3, 2017 2:33:13 GMT
The touring version of Matilda which is currently in the USA and Australia uses 2D versions of the 3D versions of the sets we see in London and when it was Broadway, so can very easily fit into a smaller theatre. The desks which rise up from underneath in London/NY actually come in from the side on the tour so once again they won't take up much space.
I can see this being a very profitable tour
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 2:31:25 GMT
I remember the Lion King tour had to reconfigure the stalls in some venues i.e. Bristol, do you think they would do the same for Matilda and create a central aisle (like I think they did on Broadway)?
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Post by daniel on Mar 4, 2017 10:23:43 GMT
I remember the Lion King tour had to reconfigure the stalls in some venues i.e. Bristol, do you think they would do the same for Matilda and create a central aisle (like I think they did on Broadway)? Personally I would doubt it - Lion King needed to reconfigure venues as those aisles need to be in the right place for the opening, Matilda is probably workable with existing aisles in most venues. Generally producers won't want any unnecessary expense, so if they can get by without re-configuration, they will! |
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Post by cheesy116 on Mar 4, 2017 14:36:31 GMT
I remember the Lion King tour had to reconfigure the stalls in some venues i.e. Bristol, do you think they would do the same for Matilda and create a central aisle (like I think they did on Broadway)? Personally I would doubt it - Lion King needed to reconfigure venues as those aisles need to be in the right place for the opening, Matilda is probably workable with existing aisles in most venues. Generally producers won't want any unnecessary expense, so if they can get by without re-configuration, they will! The touring version of this show doesn't use the stalls at all. All the action that usually happens in the stalls happens on the stage instead  |
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Post by butt on Mar 5, 2017 6:53:37 GMT
The touring version of Matilda which is currently in the USA and Australia uses 2D versions of the 3D versions of the sets we see in London and when it was Broadway, so can very easily fit into a smaller theatre. The desks which rise up from underneath in London/NY actually come in from the side on the tour so once again they won't take up much space. I can see this being a very profitable tour Australia is more of a hybrid of the original production and the tour. Where the US tour uses cloth drops and flats for the side portals and back wall, Australia has more depth like the West End production. The main difference is that the Australian version does not have any traps and tracks the set pieces on. Only the side aisles are used for entrances rather than a central one, but all other elements are there (lasers etc). I think the Australian tour which is doing longer engagements is more likely to tour if it is going to the larger venues. The only thing that might change is the proscenium being more like the US tour. Unfortunately the US tour really does fair badly in comparison to all other productions... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 10:24:35 GMT
The Australian version - Waltzing Matilda?
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Post by hayley1212 on Mar 5, 2017 12:18:03 GMT
OMG is this really happening.
Seen this in London, amazing show.
When will dates be Announced?
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