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Post by infofreako on Feb 21, 2017 16:25:45 GMT
On Twitter Ruth appeared very confident that she would be on as Effie. Ruth was either unaware that she didn't make the cut or she did know and was trying to over compensate for the fact that she may not have been right for the part. The way its been handled has seemed quite strange, for her to be so confident she would still get on last week doesnt match with the disappearance from the cast list at all |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 21, 2017 16:41:50 GMT
On Twitter Ruth appeared very confident that she would be on as Effie. Ruth was either unaware that she didn't make the cut or she did know and was trying to over compensate for the fact that she may not have been right for the part. The way its been handled has seemed quite strange, for her to be so confident she would still get on last week doesnt match with the disappearance from the cast list at all This is called "bravado". You know it's a load of rubbish but you brazen it out till you can't brazen it any longer, then when the axe falls everyone goes into meltdown about it and you're a victim/hard done to hero. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:54:37 GMT
I do feel really sorry for her
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Post by ali973 on Feb 21, 2017 17:51:03 GMT
So terribly sad for her. This wasn't necessary and not handled right.
Surprised no one mentioned the life imitating art element of this. .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 19:52:07 GMT
So terribly sad for her. This wasn't necessary and not handled right. Surprised no one mentioned the life imitating art element of this. . I don't really see a life imitating art point here. In the story, Effie is fired for superficial reasons alone. If Ruth was ready and capable of playing the part she was hired for, then if the producers didn't let her go on it would be a breach of her contract. The fact that she hasn't been on therefore rather suggests the problem in fulfilling the contract lies at her end instead. I may be wrong, but I can't see any other reason why she wouldn't be given a show other than her simply not being capable of playing the role, sad though that may be for her and her fans. |
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 21, 2017 20:50:59 GMT
I have seen many situations like these in shows and I have seen the strangest and nastiest reasons behind it.
People from the production as well as assistant directors can be snakes. It's easy to form a front against a black sheep to make themselves feel better or get what they want.
I have seen someone kicked out of the ensemble of a professional show because he walked in the theatre early for rehearsal one day and caught the musical director screwing an ensemble girl in the wings. 2 days later he was asked to leave due to "artistic differences", and that while he was as discrete as can be and wouldn't have said anything to anyone.
I also have seen someone worked out of a show by the assistant director (who took his chance as soon as the original director was on holidays for a week), claiming the actor did not show up at rehearsals while he did, the actor was actually extremely reliable, the assistant director just deliberately did not let the actor know about an extra planned rehearsal, and the next week a good friend of the assistant director took the place of this actor....
It's a snake pit.
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Post by ali973 on Feb 22, 2017 5:30:02 GMT
I don't normally side with Dave25, but in this one I'm with him. poster J, you make this sound like it's her fault WHERE IN REALITY NO ONE KNOWS JACK sh*t ABOUT THIS SITUATION. This poor girl has been the butt of everyone's jokes. She did not make it any better with her twitter rants, but it goes to show you how inexperienced and naive she is. This experience could ruin her morale and confidence for a long time to come. She's suffered public humiliation, and everyone seems to be okay with it.
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Post by ali973 on Feb 22, 2017 5:48:19 GMT
Amber Riley will be on holiday on: 17th and 18th March 2017, 25th and 26th April 2017, 29th and 30th June 2017, 1st, 4th and 5th July 2017, 1st to 5th August 2017, 26th and 27th September 2017 and 13th and 14th October 2017. I'm seeing The Life on 29th evening, but could squeeze in DG on the matinee. Do we know who the alternate will be? And if it'll be the same lady on the next Monday performance? |
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Post by showtoones on Feb 22, 2017 5:55:57 GMT
You could probably tweet the lovely Marisha...she is amazing with her fans and would tell you if she is scheduled to be on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 7:31:09 GMT
I don't normally side with Dave25, but in this one I'm with him. poster J, you make this sound like it's her fault WHERE IN REALITY NO ONE KNOWS JACK sh*t ABOUT THIS SITUATION. This poor girl has been the butt of everyone's jokes. She did not make it any better with her twitter rants, but it goes to show you how inexperienced and naive she is. This experience could ruin her morale and confidence for a long time to come. She's suffered public humiliation, and everyone seems to be okay with it. Sorry, but I'm afraid I can't see how it's not at least in part her fault. She is contracted to be an alternate in this show. It's therefore inconceivable that getting to do a certain number of shows regularly would not be part of her contract. If the producers don't give them to her, they are therefore in breach of her contract and she's not helping herself by not pursuing that, particularly when it's been pretty clear for a while now that she's unlikely to get on. If her lack of preparation is the reason why she hasn't been on then that is her fault, pure and simple. Either way, she doesn't appear to have done much to help herself with her twitter rants, so I'm afraid I do have limited sympathy for her. And there's no need for the hyperbole - no-one is saying they are ok with her being publicly humiliated (which is a bit much anyway - no-one except big theatre fans will even have noticed she's off the website so it's been done as discreetly as it could have been!). I'm simply saying there's no smoke without fire, and what we've seen, including her own tweets, all point to this being down to her not being ready, in which case I don't think anyone's obliged to be terribly sympathetic given the show has now been open for 3 months. |
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Post by ali973 on Feb 22, 2017 8:17:27 GMT
I normally have a word or two to people like you who are arrogant and lack empathy. But I won't say it on a public forum because I play nice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 8:47:16 GMT
I'm simply saying there's no smoke without fire In a theatre discussion, of all places, I'd expect people to be aware of the existence of smoke machines. (To put it another way, the fact that you haven't thought of other possibilities doesn't mean there are no other possibilities.) |
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Post by jocie89 on Feb 22, 2017 9:21:54 GMT
Poster J has it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 22, 2017 12:02:23 GMT
This is the key tweet I think.
No, we don't know what has happened but speculation is 50% of what we do here right?
I reckon she wasnt ready at the time when they all became ill over Christmas and so wasn't in a position to go on. So Marisha was rushed over, and was a huge hit AND available to stay on. Now the producers have a problem, too many Effie's.
Maybe Ruth just didn't show them why it should be hers? If she was up against Marisha that would be one tough call given Marisha's experience. But it's so wrong that she's been kept hanging on all this time. That's GOT to be down to the producers, and it doesn't surprise me one little bit given how they have handled things previously.
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 22, 2017 12:52:47 GMT
I don't normally side with Dave25, but in this one I'm with him. poster J, you make this sound like it's her fault WHERE IN REALITY NO ONE KNOWS JACK sh*t ABOUT THIS SITUATION. This poor girl has been the butt of everyone's jokes. She did not make it any better with her twitter rants, but it goes to show you how inexperienced and naive she is. This experience could ruin her morale and confidence for a long time to come. She's suffered public humiliation, and everyone seems to be okay with it. I actually thought we agree a lot. You even called me your "official spokes person" more than once. Anyway, I agree with you here too. We don't know anything, and there is A LOT possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 13:03:45 GMT
I'm simply saying there's no smoke without fire In a theatre discussion, of all places, I'd expect people to be aware of the existence of smoke machines. (To put it another way, the fact that you haven't othought of other possibilities doesn't mean there are no other possibilities.) I'm not saying there aren't other possibilities, in fact I gave two in my post alone, and doubtless there are others. I'm simply expressing how I read what we have seen - i.e. Ruth's tweets and the Dreamgirls website. That is all out in the public domain and so everyone is entitled to read and interpret it as they see it. Whether that evidences something dodgy going on on the part of the producers, Ruth or both is a matter of opinion, nothing more. And I do resent the accusation of lacking empathy. Of course I feel sorry for her losing her job, that's never nice in any situation. But this is a discussion forum where we are entitled to comment upon what is in the public domain, and my opinion on that is that it seems to indicate there is something going on as if she'd been ready to play the part then she would have been on months ago. She had the same rehearsal period as everyone else (and she was supposed to be an alternate not an understudy so she should have been as ready as Amber was to take the stage from the first preview onwards as surely the alternate role is to be able to take over from the lead at any time as well as their scheduled shows), so the fact that they've been getting on with it for 3 months and she hasn't been on once does suggest a problem to me. That's how I see it, nothing more and nothing less,and if people see it differently that's fine - doesn't make my opinion any less valid. If it turns out I'm wrong then I'll happily hold my hands up and admit it. But I'm starting to feel as if I'm being scolded for daring to voice a different opinion, which I thought this forum was better than, so after this post I'll stop contributing to this topic in case anyone else gets offended by my having an opinion. The last thing I will say is that having empathy for her losing her job is not mutually exclusive with commenting that it appears to have been a very strange situation all round and what she has said hasn't helped. I don't see why people can't say that - I can't think of many lines of work where if you couldn't do your job for three months people won't think there is something strange happening, and try to figure out what that might be based on what we do know. I'm not sure why it should be any different in this situation. |
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 22, 2017 13:04:31 GMT
This is the key tweet I think. No, we don't know what has happened but speculation is 50% of what we do here right? I reckon she wasnt ready at the time when they all became ill over Christmas and so wasn't in a position to go on. So Marisha was rushed over, and was a huge hit AND available to stay on. Now the producers have a problem, too many Effie's. Maybe Ruth just didn't show them why it should be hers? If she was up against Marisha that would be one tough call given Marisha's experience. But it's so wrong that she's been kept hanging on all this time. That's GOT to be down to the producers, and it doesn't surprise me one little bit given how they have handled things previously. If I were Ruth, I would record a stunning version of "And I am telling you", including a videoclip and spread it everywhere, to show everyone what I am made of. |
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Post by Michael on Feb 22, 2017 13:26:43 GMT
@posterj I fully agree with you (and I think it'd be a shame if you withdrew from this thread). Yes, there can be other possibilities why she wasn't on, but, as often, the most simple is also the most likely explanation ("Occam's Razor"), and that is that she simply wasn't up to the required standard - otherwise they wouldn't have casted someone completely new on short notice.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 22, 2017 13:49:31 GMT
But I'm starting to feel as if I'm being scolded for daring to voice a different opinion, which I thought this forum was better than, so after this post I'll stop contributing to this topic in case anyone else gets offended by my having an opinion. @posterj I am telling you, you're NOT going anywhere! Your opinion is is as valid is as anyone else's on this thread and I didn't read your post as being either lacking in empathy or arrogant. |
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Post by d'James on Feb 22, 2017 18:33:56 GMT
GUESS WHAT???!!!! I WON THE LOTTERY. Sadly not the Euromillions, but the Dreamgirls ticket lottery; and when I say I, I mean the person I went with did, so I can still say I haven't won the lottery. Anyway I really enjoyed the show, so much energy (and sweat) all over the stage. Great costumes too. As I went in I took a photo of the cast board and looked at it in the bar. I then got a shock when Lily Frazer walked on stage as Deena. There was some bad behaviour which I'll save for that thread but other than that the audience was very well behaved; appreciative but not crazy as it seems other people have experienced. It's not my favourite score I've ever heard, in fact a couple of bits annoyed me, but it is solid and an enjoyable plot. What is this curtain that people have been talking about getting applause? These are the two cast lists I saw!   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 18:43:48 GMT
What is this curtain that people have been talking about getting applause? When I went to the show, I can't remember if it was during the final song or during the title song, but the three huge crystal curtains were onstage with the three girls posing in front of them, they got huge round of applause on their first appearance, rightly so as it was a stunning image! Mod edit: Removed the unnecessary full-quote. Please think twice before quoting someone. Is it really necessary to quote everything they said or are one or two line sufficient? It is really annoying if you have to scroll over the very same post you've just read to only see one or two lines added. |
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Post by d'James on Feb 22, 2017 18:51:58 GMT
Oh right. Maybe the angle from where I was sitting wasn't great.
Forgot to say, Amber's voice is stunning. Tyrone is wasted in that role, but still fantastic. Jocasta and Carly have brilliant voices too! Joe Aaron Reid is very suited to this role and Adam J Bernard as Jimmy was amazing. I couldn't understand everything when Lily was singing as Deena but she sang her heart out and she still has a lovely tone to her voice.
I need to see if Jimmy's got any of those pants going spare to go with my boots!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 22:53:55 GMT
What is this curtain that people have been talking about getting applause? When I went to the show, I can't remember if it was during the final song or during the title song, but the three huge crystal curtains were onstage with the three girls posing in front of them, they got huge round of applause on their first appearance, rightly so as it was a stunning image! Mod edit: Removed the unnecessary full-quote. Please think twice before quoting someone. Is it really necessary to quote everything they said or are one or two line sufficient? It is really annoying if you have to scroll over the very same post you've just read to only see one or two lines added.Could a moderator of worded that any ruder. The moderators are supposed to be in charge of making sure rude comments are not put on the board, not to be the ones being rude to the people who are part of the board. Go on, delete this comment. |
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Post by d'James on Feb 23, 2017 0:15:25 GMT
Which is everyone's favourite wig in the show?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 1:02:18 GMT
Karen was on this week so I presume it's Marisha on Monday - might try the lottery...
Do we know if Ibinabo is ill or on holiday - her two understudies seem to have been taking turns all week judging by the cast board pictures in the last few pages of this thread!
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