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Post by ptwest on May 28, 2016 5:22:02 GMT
Spoiler alert! I've always wondered what Christine sees in Raoul - he managed to lose her in a locked room, formulates a plan that puts her in mortal danger and when he does come to rescue her he gets instantly caught in a trap! He's rich and handsome. Fair point, but once she sees past that and realises that he is completely useless there'll be trouble!!! |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 6:03:51 GMT
It's always seemed to me that pretty much everything in Phantom requires accepting that Christine is the least intelligent person who ever lived.
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Post by greenice on May 28, 2016 6:16:21 GMT
Fair point, but once she sees past that and realises that he is completely useless there'll be trouble!!! The Christine as bait plan could be seen as Raoul primarily protecting his investment in the theatre. It was a bit ineffective anyway, could have just sent the mob down after the Phantom in the first place. I've always thought of him as a shallow Prince Charming, Love Never Dies Raoul is a lot more interesting imo. |
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Post by Flim Flam on May 28, 2016 8:25:02 GMT
Oh Monkey, I didn't have you pegged as a typical teenage Phantom fan, but it seems you are!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 8:49:44 GMT
Not being one myself I can't claim to be an expert on what women want from a relationship, but I'd have thought that Not Likely To Throw A Tantrum And Murder Me If I Don't Follow His Orders To The Letter would be a point in Raoul's favour. Doesn't Spy On Girls In Their Bedrooms is a biggie too.
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Post by Dawnstar on May 28, 2016 20:04:46 GMT
Not being one myself I can't claim to be an expert on what women want from a relationship, but I'd have thought that Not Likely To Throw A Tantrum And Murder Me If I Don't Follow His Orders To The Letter would be a point in Raoul's favour. Doesn't Spy On Girls In Their Bedrooms is a biggie too. Hear, hear! I am baffled that so many people think Christine should choose a deformed, psychopathic murderer over a man who is young, handsome, rich, titled & most importantly not a murderer! |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 21:53:31 GMT
Raoul is the Nice Safe Man. The Phantom, on the other hand, is most definitely motorbikes and leathers. Who wouldn't choose motorbikes and leathers?!
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Post by djp on May 29, 2016 2:12:05 GMT
It's always seemed to me that pretty much everything in Phantom requires accepting that Christine is the least intelligent person who ever lived. Not if they cast someone young enough as Christine ,or someone who can play down in age and sound it too, and who can act whats there in the script, about the search for a mentor, the dead father angle, the betrayal by Raoul, and getting completely stressed out by it all? You can even make Love Never Dies seem realistic if you play the final scene to allow it. It also needs a Phantom who has some magnetism and vulnerability, as well as real menace. When they cast older Christines, who can't act that well, or dull Phantom's, it doesn't work for me - at its worst, its Christines who sound 30, doing silly things, and a dull bloke in a mask who is boring, and unconvincing. |
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Post by cathyfromlex on May 29, 2016 3:35:48 GMT
It's always seemed to me that pretty much everything in Phantom requires accepting that Christine is the least intelligent person who ever lived. And that it is actually Ramin under the mask and not The Phantom. |
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Post by Dave25 on May 29, 2016 9:30:00 GMT
If a girl has low self esteem, she would go for Phantom. If she has self-worth, she would go for Raoul.
It's all about her insecurities. Does she need a psycho, bad boy because she has a desparate need to be worshipped in a shallow sexual way, and needs that conformation to feel right, then she needs to work on herself first, before starting any relation. Just like many teenage girls do.
A proper relationship goes far beyond that.
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Post by theatre-turtle on May 29, 2016 9:30:06 GMT
It's always seemed to me that pretty much everything in Phantom requires accepting that Christine is the least intelligent person who ever lived. And that it is actually Ramin under the mask and not The Phantom. Didn't you know the Phantom actually looks like this? It makes the choice between murder vs non murderer much harder  |
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Post by zsazsa on Jul 1, 2016 11:14:28 GMT
Hoping to revisit this next week when I am in London. Would like to see Ben's take on the phantom? Does anyone know if he has any scheduled performances off or holidays then?
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Post by zsazsa on Jul 6, 2016 9:59:40 GMT
Anyone able to tell me if Ben and Nadim are scheduled to perform this evening. Currently on the train to London and planning to head straight to TKTS.
Also planning to see 'The Go Between' this afternoon. Is Michael Crawford on?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 9, 2016 16:48:55 GMT
The latest Inside The West End podcast is an interesting backstage interview with several members of the ensemble. insidethewestend.com/blog/ |
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Post by indis on Jul 16, 2016 11:51:01 GMT
Phantom TWitter has now posted 2 Christine-Dresses for Cast change, does this mean Celinde is leaving?
And if yes, who is coming? Do you think Sofia Escobar could be coming back?
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Post by ShoesForRent on Jul 16, 2016 12:16:45 GMT
Why do you think Sofia would be coming back? Genuinly curious- has he hinted? She was with the show for SO long (and I found her quite boring but that's beside the point)
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Post by indis on Jul 16, 2016 12:22:54 GMT
no, nobody hinted anything, was just guessing
or has somebody heard Lisa is maybe leaving? wondering for whom the new dresses are
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 14:21:26 GMT
Is Ben staying, do we know?
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Post by greeny11 on Jul 16, 2016 14:59:14 GMT
He hasn't done a long run with a show for some time, so I would be very surprised if he stayed on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 17:08:29 GMT
When is cast change?
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Post by indis on Jul 18, 2016 17:04:33 GMT
beginning of september - hope they announce something soon
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Post by richey on Jul 19, 2016 10:54:19 GMT
Bit late in posting this but revisited the show last Thursday night and was pleased to find it in very good shape. Phantom holds a special place for me as it my first west end show way back in 198..(cough) yet a previous visit had left me downhearted as it looked and sounded tired. However last week it looked fantastic. The costumes looked brand new and all the cast gave great performances. I had booked on the premise of seeing Ben's interpretation but unfortunately he was off on Thursday night (though it took me ages to work that out as I hadn't checked the cast board). it really felt like I was watching it in its' early years again.
I was also amazed to still see the 'house full' sign out and people standing at the back to watch.
The only drawback for me was the standard of the audience. Never have I seen so many people trying to use their phones causing the staff to rush up and down stairs to stop them which was most distracting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 11:34:09 GMT
I'm hoping for Hans Peter Janssens to play the Phantom. He has played it before in Belgium and The Netherlands. And we know he can do shows in English because he played Valjean in the West End for 3 years, and later played Javert for over 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 12:21:26 GMT
Never have I seen so many people trying to use their phones causing the staff to rush up and down stairs to stop them which was most distracting. Fear not, richey, once Brexit is achieved and we have left the European Convention on Human Rights, staff will be given their long-range tasers back, I'm sure... I know you're joking, but just to be clear, the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU  |
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Post by emilyrose on Jul 20, 2016 8:46:53 GMT
Bit late in posting this but revisited the show last Thursday night and was pleased to find it in very good shape. Phantom holds a special place for me as it my first west end show way back in 198..(cough) yet a previous visit had left me downhearted as it looked and sounded tired. However last week it looked fantastic. The costumes looked brand new and all the cast gave great performances. I had booked on the premise of seeing Ben's interpretation but unfortunately he was off on Thursday night (though it took me ages to work that out as I hadn't checked the cast board). it really felt like I was watching it in its' early years again. I was also amazed to still see the 'house full' sign out and people standing at the back to watch. The only drawback for me was the standard of the audience. Never have I seen so many people trying to use their phones causing the staff to rush up and down stairs to stop them which was most distracting. On the chandelier scene? Yes we had that, it was a swarm of ushers, it was really very distracting and worrying actually. I did wonder to myself that possibly it's best to let people take the photos with their phones as it would be slightly less distracting, I'm not saying it's right to do it, I cannot stand when people use their phones at the theatre, but that was really quite a big rush at the time, very distracting. |
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