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Post by distantcousin on Feb 11, 2024 20:42:30 GMT
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 11, 2024 21:16:38 GMT
It's been a while since the last time you started a thread on trigger warnings, I was worried
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 11, 2024 21:28:27 GMT
It's been a while since the last time you started a thread on trigger warnings, I was worried
WHAT?!
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Post by mkb on Feb 11, 2024 21:37:19 GMT
One person's "wades in" is another's "expressed an opinion when asked a question".
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Post by mkb on Feb 11, 2024 21:46:55 GMT
As long as trigger warnings are avoidable for those of us who don't require them, I'm not fussed about their existence.
My bugbear is BBFC certificates before a film that I now have to close my eyes for as they regularly contain serious spoilers. Two films in the last couple of years had a major, sudden and unexpected suicide as a late plot twist, and the BBFC certificate text forewarned both.
When I complained to them, they doubled down. Despite the fact that their trigger warnings are freely available for those concerned on their website, their expressed view is that warning everyone watching the opening of a film that suicidal themes will follow is more important than not spoiling the film for everyone else.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 11, 2024 22:34:04 GMT
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 11, 2024 22:57:56 GMT
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Post by Jon on Feb 11, 2024 23:12:41 GMT
As long as trigger warnings are avoidable for those of us who don't require them, I'm not fussed about their existence. My bugbear is BBFC certificates before a film that I now have to close my eyes for as they regularly contain serious spoilers. Two films in the last couple of years had a major, sudden and unexpected suicide as a late plot twist, and the BBFC certificate text forewarned both. When I complained to them, they doubled down. Despite the fact that their trigger warnings are freely available for those concerned on their website, their expressed view is that warning everyone watching the opening of a film that suicidal themes will follow is more important than not spoiling the film for everyone else. I'm not sure why you complained to the BBFC, they're not going to listen to one person complaining about spoilers.
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Post by ceebee on Feb 12, 2024 6:32:43 GMT
Tickled me that the newsreader on the radio referred to dear Rafe as Ralf.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 12, 2024 6:55:39 GMT
Not sure why he's doing an 'old man shouts at cloud' about it
They are available for people who want them. Some themes are traumatic for people, nothing wrong with some consideration
Hope no one asks him about intimacy co-ordinators next
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Post by Jan on Feb 12, 2024 7:51:57 GMT
Not sure why he's doing an 'old man shouts at cloud' about it It shows what confidence he has in his own status and position that he would feel able to express an opinion that a few youngsters on Twitter might disagree with. Many actors wouldn’t.
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Post by Jan on Feb 12, 2024 7:54:46 GMT
As long as trigger warnings are avoidable for those of us who don't require them, I'm not fussed about their existence. My bugbear is BBFC certificates before a film that I now have to close my eyes for as they regularly contain serious spoilers. Two films in the last couple of years had a major, sudden and unexpected suicide as a late plot twist, and the BBFC certificate text forewarned both. When I complained to them, they doubled down. Despite the fact that their trigger warnings are freely available for those concerned on their website, their expressed view is that warning everyone watching the opening of a film that suicidal themes will follow is more important than not spoiling the film for everyone else. I'm not sure why you complained to the BBFC, they're not going to listen to one person complaining about spoilers. How do you know only one person has complained about this ? That seems very unlikely. Your argument is basically “Don’t bother voting in any election because one vote doesn’t make any difference”.
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Post by adrianics on Feb 12, 2024 9:09:44 GMT
Not sure why he's doing an 'old man shouts at cloud' about it They are available for people who want them. Some themes are traumatic for people, nothing wrong with some consideration Hope no one asks him about intimacy co-ordinators next This is pretty much it. There are people out there who are deeply traumatised by their experiences and have real, physical, uncontrollable and volatile reactions to unexpected reminders of their trauma. Does it really make anyone's life worse to have a brief warning that will waste seconds of your life if it doesn't affect you, but allow those it does affect to make informed decisions?
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Post by mkb on Feb 12, 2024 9:38:12 GMT
I'm not sure why you complained to the BBFC, they're not going to listen to one person complaining about spoilers. How do you know only one person has complained about this ? That seems very unlikely. Your argument is basically “Don’t bother voting in any election because one vote doesn’t make any difference”. Quite. The BBFC were clearly sensitive and somewhat prickly about the issue, admitted that others had complained, and were at least prepared to indulge me in a lengthy written discourse with reasonable arguments. This led to nothing (for now), but you'd be surprised how often starting a dialogue with the right person in an organisation can bear fruit with regard to effecting change.
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Post by bordeaux on Feb 12, 2024 13:23:35 GMT
Not sure why he's doing an 'old man shouts at cloud' about it They are available for people who want them. Some themes are traumatic for people, nothing wrong with some consideration Hope no one asks him about intimacy co-ordinators next But they're not clouds. They are there as a result of decisions made by organisations. How many people who might be traumatised by violence on stage are going to see Macbeth or King Lear unaware of what it involves? Can't people who have had traumatic experiences be expected to know what they are going to see at the theatre? Can't the rest of us be left to discover what the play involves (murder, incest, suicide, blinding) as it happens rather than as we enter the theatre?
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Post by zahidf on Feb 12, 2024 13:46:45 GMT
Not sure why he's doing an 'old man shouts at cloud' about it They are available for people who want them. Some themes are traumatic for people, nothing wrong with some consideration Hope no one asks him about intimacy co-ordinators next But they're not clouds. They are there as a result of decisions made by organisations. How many people who might be traumatised by violence on stage are going to see Macbeth or King Lear unaware of what it involves? Can't people who have had traumatic experiences be expected to know what they are going to see at the theatre? Can't the rest of us be left to discover what the play involves (murder, incest, suicide, blinding) as it happens rather than as we enter the theatre? They are in a separate section of the website for the most part, or occasionally on a sign posted which you can decide not to read They are only there if you want to read it. No one is forcing trigger warnings on you.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 12, 2024 16:26:42 GMT
Agree with this tbh
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Post by marob on Feb 12, 2024 18:16:39 GMT
Hmmmm… I’m not opposed to them, but do think they should be a bit vaguer as they should never spoil the plot. But even with trigger warnings people seem kind of oblivious to what they’re seeing.
I saw People, Places and Things when it was on in the West End. There was a young couple a few seats down, about 10-15 minutes in she got up, made for the door and was never seen again. At the interval the chap she was with gathered up their stuff and apologised to the people she’d disturbed on her way out, saying it was a bit close to home for her.
It’s about addiction, which surely they’d have known when booking, especially as hearing them talking pre-show gave the impression they were in ‘the industry.’
I remember reading on here that some people took their very small children to see The Inheritance.
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Post by asfound on Feb 12, 2024 19:22:54 GMT
I agree with him when they're signposted outside the theatre or on the door or in the programme. I've often seen this for gunshots or loud noises for example, and then it becomes a spoiler as you're then waiting for and expecting the inevitable gunshot or explosion and wondering how it might fit into the plot, and the shock and surprise is gone.
If it's just hidden on the website for people to seek them out if they want or need to, then whatever.
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Post by properjob on Feb 12, 2024 19:29:38 GMT
Not sure why he's doing an 'old man shouts at cloud' about it They are available for people who want them. Some themes are traumatic for people, nothing wrong with some consideration Hope no one asks him about intimacy co-ordinators next But they're not clouds. They are there as a result of decisions made by organisations. How many people who might be traumatised by violence on stage are going to see Macbeth or King Lear unaware of what it involves? Can't people who have had traumatic experiences be expected to know what they are going to see at the theatre? Can't the rest of us be left to discover what the play involves (murder, incest, suicide, blinding) as it happens rather than as we enter the theatre? You seem to be expecting people to both know what they are going to see and also want people to be surprised. You can't have it both ways. Well you can, you can have warnings that people can choose to read or not. We aren't born with a knowledge of the plots of the classics. I love West Side Story and have seen it many times but I really love watching it with an audience of school children who haven't seen it before. Hearing the gasps at plot twists is wonderful.
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Post by criticalprole on Feb 12, 2024 20:50:29 GMT
Are they getting excessive? Are they necessary? What's the rationale behind them?
Are they getting excessive? Mostly no, they tend to be clearly marked, so if you don't want to read the bit about the trigger warnings, don't read it. I mean sometimes they don't get that right, but they are mostly avoidable. Are they necessary? It's an accessibility issue, so yes. Some places don't have ramps, subtitles or hearing aid support. Some places don't even have decent lifts. Some places don't do content warnings. The lack of any of these could ruin someone's day. What's the rationale behind them? It's a tool to help those with involuntary stress responses. Content warning is the more modern, broader term. Different people respond to trauma in different ways. For some, just knowing that the trigger is present is enough for them to manage the trigger, and still enjoy the show. Other's may need to leave. Content warnings are there for those who need them. If I was being cynical, I'd say Raplh Feinnes was saying somethinga little bit naughty to get attention. If was being angry, I'd argue that if Mr Feinnes doesn't want to respect the personal needs of others, and that's a bit worrying. And could be seen as an invitation to treat him poorly by others. We are all responsible for own comfort zones. Providing assistance in managing these is currently a courtesy, and a welcome one for those who need them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 22:32:11 GMT
My main issue with trigger warnings is you'll never have enough, so in some ways it is a futile exercise.
What triggers people varies greatly and there is no rule. Even of the shared experience. I have been triggered before by the most random things at random times. I'm also well aware it's my issue and I wouldn't expect everyone else to tip toe around me. The more you do, the more 'what about me's' you get
And some have also defied common sense. Warning about rape is one thing, putting warnings on old books and movies that they have outdated views and are old, is another. That's just bloody obvious.
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Post by Jonnyboy on Feb 12, 2024 23:46:13 GMT
I’m being seriously triggered by the spelling in the thread title!
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Post by max on Feb 13, 2024 1:11:12 GMT
I’m being seriously triggered by the spelling in the thread title! Exactly, the man insists on pronouncing his name 'Rafe' - so why the weird spelling? ; )
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Post by fossil on Feb 13, 2024 15:53:21 GMT
The Show Warnings for the Young Vic's A Face In The Crowd says......
"Content warnings: • Sexism and sexual harassment • Violence • Discussion of racist themes • Guns and gunshots • References to animal hunting • References to war and death Production warnings: • Live music "
All those shows I have been to over the years and never once been warned that they contained "Live music"! Having said that I have witnessed the very unpleasant spectacle of songs being murdered on several occasions.
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