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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 22, 2024 20:16:49 GMT
Don't agree and guess you are saying lucky as you don't like it, so sour grapes - there is no such thing as luck - to set a musical to the six wives of Henry VIII and keep it topical by using recent pop icons to tell their story is a genius - I am not a massive Six fan but recognise their accomplishment.
I would say it was Kenny Wax that got very lucky.
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Post by danb on Aug 22, 2024 20:27:31 GMT
Incorrect. I love ‘Six’, but I think without Wax picking it up and putting it out there it wouldn’t be the juggernaut it is today. Not a grape to be had.
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Aug 22, 2024 21:04:26 GMT
It feels like too much trust has been put in the writers, following the success of Six - developing one good concept doesn’t necessarily mean more will follow. Their track-record is strong, but extremely short - and someone should’ve been honest with them that this idea isn’t any good. I can’t see that anyone would’ve picked this show up, were it by unknown writers
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 22, 2024 21:49:02 GMT
I never think it is wise to allow writers to direct their own work.
You need an external pair of eyes to help shape the material in the rehearsal room.
And given the poor reception of the direction of Legally Blonde, then they really should have found a more experienced director for this project.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Aug 23, 2024 8:56:04 GMT
Well that song just confirms that this really isn't for me. Musically uninteresting. Lyrically forced. The staging, if the WEL and rehearsal footage is what they intend in the full production, is overblown and unnecessary for such a slight piece of narrative. It just feels so derivative and dated Forced is the word. I'm seeing this in September but everything I've seen so far says this is trying way too hard. Perhaps the result of the pressure the two writers are under after their debut. I'm sure I've read before how Six was written in about a fortnight. I suspect Why Am I So Single is quite the opposite and has been rewritten time and again since however many years ago they started working on it. I fear the opposite - that WAISS has not been worked on as much as it should because Lucy and Toby are successful enough that no one wants to tell them 'no'. The workshops felt very underdeveloped and the West End run was announced so soon after that I'm worried nothing has changed. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 23, 2024 15:40:55 GMT
Incorrect. I love ‘Six’, but I think without Wax picking it up and putting it out there it wouldn’t be the juggernaut it is today. Not a grape to be had. Okay they say a great production is when the alchemy are where creatives and producers come together as one. If you love Six and why then would you not think Marlowe & Moss are not a genius? |
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Post by anelled on Aug 23, 2024 16:36:32 GMT
It feels like too much trust has been put in the writers, following the success of Six - developing one good concept doesn’t necessarily mean more will follow. Their track-record is strong, but extremely short - and someone should’ve been honest with them that this idea isn’t any good. I can’t see that anyone would’ve picked this show up, were it by unknown writers To confirm: we’re talking about a show that no one has seen yet except for a brief work in progress workshop a year ago that got fairly positive notices from those who went… we have little idea what will appear on the stage next week aside from a couple of songs… I have no idea if this will be any good but frankly I just don’t get the negativity. I’m just delighted they’ve leveraged their success to follow up with something that isn’t some book/movie etc. adaptation. I’d like more original, large scale musicals in the West End not fewer, so I’m really hoping this turns out great. Otherwise we’ll just be stuck with a West End of Hello Dolly/Oklahoma/Sister Act/[insert brand name show with star here] (not that I don’t also enjoy some of those too). |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 23, 2024 16:47:30 GMT
It is perfectly fair to judge a show based on the material they have chosen to put into the public domain to promote that show.
We are all entitled to watch/listen to that and draw our own conclusions.
Six is something that leads me utterly cold. I know it has many, many fans. But for me it is a concert of middling songs with lots of attitude and sass. But it isn't what I want from a musical.
Others love it. That is fine.
But equally it is fine for me to assess the new show based on the promo and decide whether I feel it might change my mind about the creators.
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Post by danb on Aug 23, 2024 16:49:53 GMT
Incorrect. I love ‘Six’, but I think without Wax picking it up and putting it out there it wouldn’t be the juggernaut it is today. Not a grape to be had. Okay they say a great production is when the alchemy are where creatives and producers come together as one. If you love Six and why then would you not think Marlowe & Moss are not a genius? Because their ‘Legally Blonde’ was a car crash and the music released from ‘WAISS’ so far sounds derivative & trite. Your style of questioning is very aggressive for such a lightweight subject. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 23, 2024 17:15:12 GMT
Oh no I think Marlowe and Moss a genius solely for Six, I haven't seen their new musical, I saw Legally Blonde over the park, which is just a directing credit, I'm not aware of any separate composing credit to it, although I found Legally Blonde enjoyable being 4 stars.
I wouldn't say I am being very aggressive, it was you who opened this can of worms with saying that Moss and Marlowe are not a genius and Kenny Wax was. time will tell now if they're one hit wonders or not. If you're holding Moss and Marlowe to the same standard as Sondheim/Webber/Rogers etc then clearly they're not. but if your standard is that Six being a worldwide smash then they are.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 23, 2024 17:21:26 GMT
I really struggle to describe anyone with one creative credit as a genius. That is not a fair description of any writer in whatever field.
They have had huge success with one project. That is a huge achievement and they should be commended for that whether or not you like Six.
But the genius tag should not be given until there is a significant body of unique and high quality work.
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Post by danb on Aug 23, 2024 17:22:06 GMT
It’s a lightweight show about a bit of history which is very clever, wittily composed with ear worm hooks, that can breed repeat visit with interesting casting. The direction of Legally Blonde is of relevance because they are directing their new work too. Again, I’m at a loss as to why it matters to you so much? I like one thing, I don’t think I’ll like another. 🤷♂️
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 23, 2024 17:26:31 GMT
It is perfectly fair to judge a show based on the material they have chosen to put into the public domain to promote that show. We are all entitled to watch/listen to that and draw our own conclusions. Six is something that leads me utterly cold. I know it has many, many fans. But for me it is a concert of middling songs with lots of attitude and sass. But it isn't what I want from a musical. Others love it. That is fine. But equally it is fine for me to assess the new show based on the promo and decide whether I feel it might change my mind about the creators. No you cannot judge a show by the material they've put into the public domain, unless they've put the whole show in the public domain, which then defeats the object of a live - one of a kind experience. The public domain has no context. I have heard songs from a show on Elaine Paige and loved it, I've then gone to see the said show and it has left me completely cold and also the exact opposite has happened. Too many people live their lies in a social media bubble. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Aug 23, 2024 17:34:35 GMT
Oh yes I can. Just as anyone can.
They chose what material to use to promote the show. They did that in order to sell tickets.
So please don't tell me what I can and can't do.
You are entitled to like their work. I am just as entitled to not.
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Post by Being Alive on Aug 23, 2024 17:47:23 GMT
Going back on to this show - every single clip that comes out as promo looks worse and worse so I'm full expecting this to be an absolute horror to sit through.
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Post by sf on Aug 23, 2024 18:10:48 GMT
Going back on to this show - every single clip that comes out as promo looks worse and worse so I'm full expecting this to be an absolute horror to sit through. I love it when new musicals put songs out there before they begin previews. Sometimes it saves me the cost of a ticket. (I think 'Six' is a phenomenally clever, very talented piece of writing. And based on the material they've shared so far, I have no interest at all in seeing 'Why Am I So Single?'.) |
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Post by greatauntedna on Aug 23, 2024 19:47:46 GMT
You’re all wrong, wrong!
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Post by Being Alive on Aug 23, 2024 20:08:23 GMT
I'll be thrilled if I am, but everything that's out currently is...horrific |
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Post by danb on Aug 23, 2024 20:45:24 GMT
I'll be thrilled if I am, but everything that's out currently is...horrific Exactly. This isn’t a clamour of people wanting it to be rubbish and to fail. Lots of us already have tickets. It is a reaction, from me at least, to what I’ve seen & heard of it so far. That’s all. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Aug 24, 2024 8:22:28 GMT
Ive just noticed George Stiles is one of the producers. Must be insightful having a composer in that position.
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Post by ceebee on Aug 24, 2024 9:27:11 GMT
Based on what I've heard so far, it sounds awful. I look forward to reading the reviews.
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Post by Being Alive on Aug 24, 2024 9:32:03 GMT
Ive just noticed George Stiles is one of the producers. Must be insightful having a composer in that position. He also is for Six |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2024 14:35:39 GMT
It is perfectly fair to judge a show based on the material they have chosen to put into the public domain to promote that show. We are all entitled to watch/listen to that and draw our own conclusions. Six is something that leads me utterly cold. I know it has many, many fans. But for me it is a concert of middling songs with lots of attitude and sass. But it isn't what I want from a musical. Others love it. That is fine. But equally it is fine for me to assess the new show based on the promo and decide whether I feel it might change my mind about the creators. No you cannot judge a show by the material they've put into the public domain, unless they've put the whole show in the public domain, which then defeats the object of a live - one of a kind experience. The public domain has no context. I have heard songs from a show on Elaine Paige and loved it, I've then gone to see the said show and it has left me completely cold and also the exact opposite has happened. Too many people live their lies in a social media bubble. Of course you can, that's the whole point of advertising and marketing. You would hope they are putting some of the best stuff out there to give a flavour of the show and attract people. And even if you go along with your thoughts, that works both ways. You can't tell something is really good off the base of a few songs. For me it's not just the songs, it's the title, the synopsis that we know so far. It's just so dated, very 90s/Bridget jones. In 2024 people moaning about being single? At a time when more people than ever are single, and also happy about itin many cases. |
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Post by danb on Aug 24, 2024 17:09:25 GMT
Yep…fully expecting patter songs about tinder, grindr and speed dating, possibly all at the same time. The protagonists are bound to be special to themselves in some way that you’re welcome to slightly identify with but not replicate because ‘that’s their thing, right’!!!
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Post by ceebee on Aug 25, 2024 10:24:44 GMT
Yep…fully expecting patter songs about tinder, grindr and speed dating, possibly all at the same time. The protagonists are bound to be special to themselves in some way that you’re welcome to slightly identify with but not replicate because ‘that’s their thing, right’!!! Exactly this. |
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