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Post by Jon on Apr 15, 2024 14:38:03 GMT
I’m not convinced it will return and I think theatre availability would be the biggest factor since you cant go too big or too small.
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Post by Alejo on Apr 15, 2024 15:20:50 GMT
Kerry Katona!! Martine McCutcheon!! Gemma Collins |
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Post by hannechalk on Apr 15, 2024 17:41:13 GMT
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Post by chernjam on Apr 15, 2024 17:46:27 GMT
When this comes back (which it will after these awards, box office and ALW's ego/pride) the replacement for Norma will be a HUGEEE A lister/Hollywood star type for sure, then will change every 4-6 months. It has the potential to run for a good 2-3 years in my opinion. My guess is that after 6-9 months on Broadway, Nicole will reopen the show at a different West End theatre late 2025 and do the first 6 weeks THEN hand over to the next star. Depends on the success of Broadway and if she extends/wins awards there. Quality casting of a A lister (possibly American) Norma, the right theatre, starting on the right month (with not much competition for example ) will mark the success of this shows' future life. WATCH THIS SPACE!! Soooo exciting. The only way I could see Nicole making a "RETURN" with this to the West End would be if it takes off and does as well with the Tony Awards as it did with the Olivier's. Because right now the focus is on NY (with even Nicole doing a shout out to coming for Broadway in her beautiful speech... which btw - you Brits are so awesome in actually letting people speak and perform and have their moment unlike here in the US where 30 seconds in the orchestra starts to shoo you off) It's really tricky because if (and hopefully it will) be the critical and financial hit here that it was in the UK, there's going to be a temptation to take the money and run and end on a high note. Particularly with broadway economics being so awful. I was one who imagined POTO when it regained top-grossing production every week for its last year was going to rip up the closing and go back to open-end or at least extend again. But the financials are so awful here right now. I think Jamie Lloyd and team are more about doing something that's buzzy and makes their money back. But the days of "now and forever" runs are becoming less and less a thing. All that being said, let me ask- how do you all think Hannah Waddingham would do as Norma in this production? |
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 15, 2024 17:48:17 GMT
Oh I'd guess that we've seen the last of Scherzy as Norma in the UK, and probably the last of this production here.
She'll want to take on other roles, and any huge A List star will want to take over on Broadway as the pay will be so much better (a proper A Lister can easily earn 50-75k a week on Broadway and that aint happening here)
Sad, but I can't see us getting this back any time soon
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 15, 2024 17:49:14 GMT
All that being said, let me ask- how do you all think Hannah Waddingham would do as Norma in this production? Stick her in the turban and some fabulous costumes please but I'm game for Wadders Norma |
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Post by alece10 on Apr 15, 2024 17:50:33 GMT
I don't think it will come back to London.
It will go down in theatre history as one of those shows you can say "I was there".
However, in this case, I hope I am wrong as I would dearly love to see it again.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 15, 2024 17:50:41 GMT
I thought she came over really well. Funny, self deprecating, generous to the creatives and cast and very glamorous.
I hope she finds more amazing parts in MT after SB on Broadway. With that voice she could be an absolute force.
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 15, 2024 18:08:46 GMT
I don't think it will come back to London. It will go down in theatre history as one of those shows you can say "I was there". However, in this case, I hope I am wrong as I would dearly love to see it again. I'd LOVE to see it again too, but Jamie will have other projects (and as he's very publicly said, if Scherzinger had said no the project wouldn't of moved forward) and he'll want to build on the success of Sunset in his next projects. It did feel like lightning in a bottle, but I'd love to see her do it again... |
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Post by danb on Apr 15, 2024 18:41:34 GMT
I don't think it will come back to London. It will go down in theatre history as one of those shows you can say "I was there". However, in this case, I hope I am wrong as I would dearly love to see it again. I'd LOVE to see it again too, but Jamie will have other projects (and as he's very publicly said, if Scherzinger had said no the project wouldn't of moved forward) and he'll want to build on the success of Sunset in his next projects. It did feel like lightning in a bottle, but I'd love to see her do it again... I saw it twice. I feel incredibly lucky to have it as a memory, but I wouldn’t want them to flog it to death. |
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Post by 141920grm on Apr 15, 2024 20:12:43 GMT
I’m not convinced it will return and I think theatre availability would be the biggest factor since you cant go too big or too small. Personally loved the proportions and interiors of the Savoy, really fit the show and has that same faded glamour too. The funnel-like volume really allowed you to zone in on the lone actors on a blank stage and even the end of row seats didn't feel that off to the side. Spatially the St James is kind of the opposite- wider and squatter and capacity larger by a half- everything will feel so different! |
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Post by Jon on Apr 15, 2024 20:41:48 GMT
I’m not convinced it will return and I think theatre availability would be the biggest factor since you cant go too big or too small. Personally loved the proportions and interiors of the Savoy, really fit the show and has that same faded glamour too. The funnel-like volume really allowed you to zone in on the lone actors on a blank stage and even the end of row seats didn't feel that off to the side. Spatially the St James is kind of the opposite- wider and squatter and capacity larger by a half- everything will feel so different! I suspected they needed a bigger theatre just because Broadway is more expensive than the West End in terms of running costs plus ATG/Jujamcyn's other Broadway theatres are all booked. |
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Post by showtoones on Apr 16, 2024 1:28:24 GMT
The Shubert’s offered them the Barrymore, but Jamie Lloyd wanted the St. James.
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Post by Mark on Apr 16, 2024 9:20:13 GMT
It’s doing an extended run in New York too and with the huge St. James to fill and a fairly recent production of Sunset in NY, I imagine tickets may be a little easier to come by over there, especially in the winter months. Broadway ticket buying habits have moved to very last minute with tickets for even Cabaret/Merrily readily available up until the day of the performance and with dynamic pricing.
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Post by producerfacts on Apr 16, 2024 10:19:55 GMT
Oh I'd guess that we've seen the last of Scherzy as Norma in the UK, and probably the last of this production here. She'll want to take on other roles, and any huge A List star will want to take over on Broadway as the pay will be so much better (a proper A Lister can easily earn 50-75k a week on Broadway and that aint happening here) Sad, but I can't see us getting this back any time soon I too don’t see it retuning but those kind of salaries are already being paid over here..! |
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Post by dillan on Apr 16, 2024 10:26:49 GMT
I'm sure it will return one day but I'll be very surprised if it's with Tom and Nicole..
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Post by Being Alive on Apr 16, 2024 10:35:08 GMT
Oh I'd guess that we've seen the last of Scherzy as Norma in the UK, and probably the last of this production here. She'll want to take on other roles, and any huge A List star will want to take over on Broadway as the pay will be so much better (a proper A Lister can easily earn 50-75k a week on Broadway and that aint happening here) Sad, but I can't see us getting this back any time soon I too don’t see it retuning but those kind of salaries are already being paid over here..! They are but it's not nearly as common here as it is on Broadway - it's standard there, it's largely in exceptional circumstances here. |
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Post by 141920grm on Apr 16, 2024 10:45:42 GMT
I'm sure it will return one day but I'll be very surprised if it's with Tom and Nicole.. Joe will be easy enough to recast I think but since Norma was basically created around Nicole, they'll have to reimagine the characterisation around the next inspired star casting, as I still think it didn't quite work as well with Rachel doing the exact mannerisms and choreo (kept wishing Rachel had been allowed her 'own' Norma so to speak!) |
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Post by A.Ham on Apr 16, 2024 11:22:43 GMT
Oh I'd guess that we've seen the last of Scherzy as Norma in the UK, and probably the last of this production here. She'll want to take on other roles, and any huge A List star will want to take over on Broadway as the pay will be so much better (a proper A Lister can easily earn 50-75k a week on Broadway and that aint happening here) Sad, but I can't see us getting this back any time soon I too don’t see it retuning but those kind of salaries are already being paid over here..! I wondered that - anyone know how much Nicole was on for Sunset, or someone like Beverley Knight in Sister Act for example? |
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 14:34:40 GMT
Trying to think of examples where something was genuinely only ever intended for a discreet limited run, it massively exceeded expectations, won loads of awards, and then came back (to London)!
Am slightly stumped. There must be examples though?
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Post by thedrowsychaperone on Apr 16, 2024 14:51:24 GMT
Trying to think of examples where something was genuinely only ever intended for a discreet limited run, it massively exceeded expectations, won loads of awards, and then came back (to London)! Am slightly stumped. There must be examples though? Groundhog Day? (Which may even see it's 2nd return to London in the near future... 🤞) |
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Post by BVM on Apr 16, 2024 14:53:56 GMT
Trying to think of examples where something was genuinely only ever intended for a discreet limited run, it massively exceeded expectations, won loads of awards, and then came back (to London)! Am slightly stumped. There must be examples though? Groundhog Day? (Which may even see it's 2nd return to London in the near future... 🤞) True! Though I don't know what the original intentions were for that! (And of course the return had a different set and design). |
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Post by danb on Apr 16, 2024 15:00:31 GMT
Dare I say ‘Heathers’? I know TOP isn’t West End, but it extended its original run, won ‘some’ prizes, misguidedly went into a W/E playhouse and is now eyeing its 4th(?) season.
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Post by max on Apr 16, 2024 15:47:22 GMT
Marie Osmond! I only just discovered what a singer she is; why hasn't she been more high profile over the years? Perhaps she is in the USA.
Could be a great Norma. Perhaps not for Jamie Lloyd's version, and younger people wouldn't know her I guess.
Didn't realise she's taken a very personal ownership of ALW's 'Unexpected Song' which she sings in tribute to fans. It can join that special category of songs like 'Wind Beneath My Wings' and 'Everything's As If We Never Said Goodbye' (in the way Streisand claimed it) that seems a humble thank you to the quiet supporters, but also says 'it's so great you turn out for ME, in fact let's talk some more about ME' lol
Start 2'10" if the copied timestamp doesn't work.
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Post by Jon on Apr 16, 2024 16:00:52 GMT
The issue with Sunset returning is what is available theatre wise since the Savoy won't be free anytime soon and a lot of the 1000+ theatres are booked up.
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