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Post by sayers500 on May 22, 2016 18:44:30 GMT
A new Edward Bond play at The Seacombe 24th may-11th June "In his new play Edward Bond takes from the Greek and Jacobean drama the fundamental classical problems of the family and war, to vividly picture our collapsing society.
The war is raging, Dea, a heroine, has committed a terrible act and has been exiled. When she meets someone from her past she is forcefully confronted by the broken society that drove her to commit her crimes"
Noticed this after a rather objectionable interview with Bond in the Guardian ( www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/may/22/edward-bond-medea-war-dea-play-sutton-interview) but thought I might give it a go. Does anyone have any idea of what the running time is for it?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 15:03:52 GMT
I thought the Guardian article was hilarious - felt like someone doing a very accurate parody of an embittered rarely performed playwright
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 16:10:05 GMT
It's nice to see that Edward Bond feels the same way about his plays as many of us do, leaving before the end 'cos it's just not worth his time to stay. I do worry about Mark Lawson who seems to think Bingo is a good play, mind...
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Post by drmaplewood on May 24, 2016 8:22:55 GMT
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Post by Snciole on May 24, 2016 22:00:38 GMT
I am not really familiar with Bond apart from the infamy but Sutton* is a bizarre venue, isn't it!? Even a room above a London pub would make more sense? It feels a little desperate on all sides.
*The fancy piece is from Sutton so it can produce good work.
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Post by Steve on Jun 10, 2016 23:36:21 GMT
Saw this tonight, and liked alot of it! For me, it's a better production of Bond than the National's "Cleansed" was of Sarah Kane.
What I mean by this is that violence for both Bond and Kane emerges from emotion, from relatable human expression, despair in the case of Bond, love in the case of Kane.
But in the programatic and almost parodic violence of the recent production of "Cleansed," I could detect little love, little of the core of Kane's play, which was manipulated into a boring orgy of violence without a beating heart.
In "Dea," by contrast, every character feels recognisably human, driven by relatable passions, even whilst the most grotesque acts of violence are perpetrated. Consequently, when the production works, it feels like a cocktail of truth, rather than one of empty didacticism.
It didn't always work for me, hampered by some variable acting and some insistent cliches. The play is in three acts, separated by two intervals, with each act better than the last. The structure is similar to "Big and Small (Gross und Klein)" by Botho Strauss, in which a character meanders through different landscapes and milieus, finding rejection and despair. But where Strauss' Lotte, all superego, (played by Cate Blanchett at the Barbican) bore her suffering with grace, Bond's Dea, all id, (played by Helen Bang) resorts to violence.
Some spoilers follow. . .
In the first act landscape of "Home," we start where Euripides' play ended, with Dea smothering her children. Bond establishes a cliched pattern of how the id asserts itself to solve psychic stress: unhappy men rape people, unhappy women kill people. Dea's unhappiness with her husband leads her to kill her children, his unhappy reaction is to rape her, which leads to her having more children, one of whom is unhappy with her, growing up, so rapes her, leaving her unhappy with him, so. . . well, you can guess. This act failed to surprise, but Bond did establish the point that violence breeds violence;
In Act 2, Dea wanders into a landscape of "war." Here our 30 strong audience was depleted when a troupe of 5 twenty something females, gasping and covering their eyes, left en-masse after witnessing scenes of gang-rape and full frontal male masturbation of flaccid penises. Inspired by Abu Graib and the like, Bond suggested rape might be elevated into an "official" male response to "terrorism," a way of defiling the religious beliefs of "the enemy;"
It was in Act 3, however, in which Dea becomes a mad recluse in an "apocalyptic" landscape, like Shakespeare's "Timon of Athens," that the production came fully alive. A two-hander between two excellent actors, Helen Bang's Dea, carrying the dismembered head of her son, like Bertie Carvel's Agave in the Almeida's "Bakkhai," is joined in her blown-out caravan by David Clayton's equally damaged soldier deserter, Cliff, who once took orders from that same disembodied head. The two begin to trade personas as their psyches fracture. The resulting portrait of madness, two victims, both murderers, both lost, both found, together alone, made for an act so disturbing and desolate, that Bond's mishmash of Greek tragedy, Shakespeare and himself at last felt distinctive and worthwhile.
3 stars
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 0:21:30 GMT
Saw this tonight, and liked alot of it! For me, it's a better production of Bond than the National's "Cleansed" was of Sarah Kane. What I mean by this is that violence for both Bond and Kane emerges from emotion, from relatable human expression, despair in the case of Bond, love in the case of Kane. But in the programatic and almost parodic violence of the recent production of "Cleansed," I could detect little love, little of the core of Kane's play, which was manipulated into a boring orgy of violence without a beating heart. In "Dea," by contrast, every character feels recognisably human, driven by relatable passions, even whilst the most grotesque acts of violence are perpetrated. Consequently, when the production works, it feels like a cocktail of truth, rather than one of empty didacticism. It didn't always work for me, hampered by some variable acting and some insistent cliches. The play is in three acts, separated by two intervals, with each act better than the last. The structure is similar to "Big and Small (Gross und Klein)" by Botho Strauss, in which a character meanders through different landscapes and milieus, finding rejection and despair. But where Strauss' Lotte, all superego, (played by Cate Blanchett at the Barbican) bore her suffering with grace, Bond's Dea, all id, (played by Helen Bang) resorts to violence. Some spoilers follow. . . In the first act landscape of "Home," we start where Euripides' play ended, with Dea smothering her children. Bond establishes a cliched pattern of how the id asserts itself to solve psychic stress: unhappy men rape people, unhappy women kill people. Dea's unhappiness with her husband leads her to kill her children, his unhappy reaction is to rape her, which leads to her having more children, one of whom is unhappy with her, growing up, so rapes her, leaving her unhappy with him, so. . . well, you can guess. This act failed to surprise, but Bond did establish the point that violence breeds violence; In Act 2, Dea wanders into a landscape of "war." Here our 30 strong audience was depleted when a troupe of 5 twenty something females, gasping and covering their eyes, left en-masse after witnessing scenes of gang-rape and full frontal male masturbation of flaccid penises. Inspired by Abu Graib and the like, Bond suggested rape might be elevated into an "official" male response to "terrorism," a way of defiling the religious beliefs of "the enemy;" It was in Act 3, however, in which Dea becomes a mad recluse in an "apocalyptic" landscape, like Shakespeare's "Timon of Athens," that the production came fully alive. A two-hander between two excellent actors, Helen Bang's Dea, carrying the dismembered head of her son, like Bertie Carvel's Agave in the Almeida's "Bakkhai," is joined in her blown-out caravan by David Clayton's equally damaged soldier deserter, Cliff, who once took orders from that same disembodied head. The two begin to trade personas as their psyches fracture. The resulting portrait of madness, two victims, both murderers, both lost, both found, together alone, made for an act so disturbing and desolate, that Bond's mishmash of Greek tragedy, Shakespeare and himself at last felt distinctive and worthwhile. 3 stars You are of course welcome to your review And are always erudite and offer a really detailed description However one has to wonder at your generosity
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 0:25:09 GMT
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Post by Steve on Jun 13, 2016 6:37:41 GMT
one has to wonder at your generosity I'm working on it, Parsley. There is too much "generosity" about. Give me a ticket for it and send me to Meanness school, where I can take "Talk to the hand" lessons. I hope I don't start shaking hands or clapping hands, as I'm like that. Anyhoo, Old Parsley used to advocate making your own mind up, and never trusting the critics. New Parsley thinks you're "a Tw*t" if you're out of "the consensus." What happened to Old Parsley?
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Post by sayers500 on Jun 13, 2016 15:15:38 GMT
I found the first two acts dreary and depressing. I came out of Cleansed somewhat uplifted. The violence there felt real but was there to show hope and the power of love whereas in Dea it is used as a damnation of society and has no effect on the audience. The fact that one of the first things Dea does is strangle her children with no development of character whatsoever and there seems no force or pain attached so the artifice makes it quite easy to watch as an audience member. Throughout the first act the acting is atrocious, with any good will I had for the theatre and actors gone by the first interval. The second act was slightly more convincing but for me, it was just soldiers being awful. The third act could have been developed into a rather interesting play in it's own right,exploring madness with some rather wonderfully written dialogue. However, the pretentious nods to Shakespeare coupled with Bond's childish programme notes left me rather sick of the whole thing. A dramaturg and a different director could have done something interesting with this but instead it's a nasty evening.
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Post by PalelyLaura on Jun 13, 2016 15:45:18 GMT
I have to admit, I left this at the first interval, the first time I have ever left a production before the end. I thought the acting was terrible, the script awful and the plot ludicrous - as sayers500 says the killing of the children at the beginning leaves room for no character development. I would have been bored, except that the whole thing was so ridiculous I spent a great deal of time trying to stifle giggles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 16:01:12 GMT
I have to admit, I left this at the first interval, the first time I have ever left a production before the end. I thought the acting was terrible, the script awful and the plot ludicrous - as sayers500 says the killing of the children at the beginning leaves room for no character development. I would have been bored, except that the whole thing was so ridiculous I spent a great deal of time trying to stifle giggles. VG We must be strict and leave if its rubbish
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 13, 2016 16:13:41 GMT
Endurance and suffering through a bad show builds character!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 16:16:39 GMT
Endurance and suffering through a bad show builds character! Not if you risk messing yourself as a result!
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Post by Nicholas on Jun 18, 2016 1:28:58 GMT
one has to wonder at your generosity I'm working on it, Parsley. There is too much "generosity" about. Give me a ticket for it and send me to Meanness school, where I can take "Talk to the hand" lessons. I hope I don't start shaking hands or clapping hands, as I'm like that. Anyhoo, Old Parsley used to advocate making your own mind up, and never trusting the critics. New Parsley thinks you're "a Tw*t" if you're out of "the consensus." What happened to Old Parsley? Steve, never get more mean! There’s a real pleasure in knowing that there are people in this world who almost never can give one star, who seem to feel real displeasure at stooping as low as two, and who tend to be able to find that one, teeny morsel of good in the worst shows in town, a needle of goodness in the pooey haystack of the theatre we all too often see. Your levels of analysis are something to be truly envied, but it’s even nicer to have your niceness around! In fact, when did you last give one star?
Also, how did you and Parsley spot each other at the thing? When Parsley enters a theatre, I assume storm clouds gather in a foyer, dogs bark in warning, and those in the cheap seats chant Oh Fortuna, which may be a giveaway. Or I imagine eyes across a crowded room, yin and yang... Anywho, genuinely curious what gave you away.
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Post by Steve on Jun 18, 2016 13:01:49 GMT
I'm working on it, Parsley. There is too much "generosity" about. Give me a ticket for it and send me to Meanness school, where I can take "Talk to the hand" lessons. I hope I don't start shaking hands or clapping hands, as I'm like that. Anyhoo, Old Parsley used to advocate making your own mind up, and never trusting the critics. New Parsley thinks you're "a Tw*t" if you're out of "the consensus." What happened to Old Parsley? Steve, never get more mean! There’s a real pleasure in knowing that there are people in this world who almost never can give one star, who seem to feel real displeasure at stooping as low as two, and who tend to be able to find that one, teeny morsel of good in the worst shows in town, a needle of goodness in the pooey haystack of the theatre we all too often see. Your levels of analysis are something to be truly envied, but it’s even nicer to have your niceness around! In fact, when did you last give one star?
Also, how did you and Parsley spot each other at the thing? When Parsley enters a theatre, I assume storm clouds gather in a foyer, dogs bark in warning, and those in the cheap seats chant Oh Fortuna, which may be a giveaway. Or I imagine eyes across a crowded room, yin and yang... Anywho, genuinely curious what gave you away.
Ha ha, no storm clouds whatsoever. I made the mistake of thinking Parsley was preceded by storm clouds and Oh Fortuna once, so mistook the most miserable man in the room for him at a previous show. Then, at another show, I mistook at a gentle chap with matinee idol looks and good cheer for Parsley. I'm fact, Parsley has the air of an immensely tall bespectacled "nattily-dressed" (to quote Foxa) academic. I had been chatting to two average sized blokes about what Philip Ridleys they had seen, when a bespectacled chap loomed up in the queue behind them, almost too tall to comfortably fit inside the room. I presumed him to have South Asian ancestors, though his sari-wearing posse were conspicuously absent, but given his confident bearing, an academic swagger that suggested he had six or seven phds, I thought here is Parsley, time to collect my five pounds! So as not to be rude to Joel and Steve 2, who I had been chatting to for 15 minutes, I presumptuously said "here's a man who knows all about Philip Ridley," to invite Parsley into the conversation, and we took it from there. . So "who pays me my five pounds?" is what I want to know!?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 13:28:46 GMT
Steve, never get more mean! There’s a real pleasure in knowing that there are people in this world who almost never can give one star, who seem to feel real displeasure at stooping as low as two, and who tend to be able to find that one, teeny morsel of good in the worst shows in town, a needle of goodness in the pooey haystack of the theatre we all too often see. Your levels of analysis are something to be truly envied, but it’s even nicer to have your niceness around! In fact, when did you last give one star?
Also, how did you and Parsley spot each other at the thing? When Parsley enters a theatre, I assume storm clouds gather in a foyer, dogs bark in warning, and those in the cheap seats chant Oh Fortuna, which may be a giveaway. Or I imagine eyes across a crowded room, yin and yang... Anywho, genuinely curious what gave you away.
Ha ha, no storm clouds whatsoever. I made the mistake of thinking Parsley was preceded by storm clouds and Oh Fortuna once, so mistook the most miserable man in the room for him at a previous show. Then, at another show, I mistook at a gentle chap with matinee idol looks and good cheer for Parsley. I'm fact, Parsley has the air of an immensely tall bespectacled "nattily-dressed" (to quote Foxa) academic. I had been chatting to two average sized blokes about what Philip Ridleys they had seen, when a bespectacled chap loomed up in the queue behind them, almost too tall to comfortably fit inside the room. I presumed him to have South Asian ancestors, though his sari-wearing posse were conspicuously absent, but given his confident bearing, an academic swagger that suggested he had six or seven phds, I thought here is Parsley, time to collect my five pounds! So as not to be rude to Joel and Steve 2, who I had been chatting to for 15 minutes, I presumptuously said "here's a man who knows all about Philip Ridley," to invite Parsley into the conversation, and we took it from there. . So "who pays me my five pounds?" is what I want to know!? Steve is lovely also
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 13:35:12 GMT
Parsley, also known as The Doctor, sees so much theatre that it may be that he periodically regenerates and travels through time, so those who report having encountered him may in fact have met quite different incarnations.
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