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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2016 21:36:04 GMT
On Film4 now.
I like it it but it will never live up to the original. Crowe.... No.
Theres no revolve in it either, rumbling every 3 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 21:40:03 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again - nothing that comes out of Russell Crowe's mouth in that film is anywhere near as offensive as what Hugh Jackman does to the end of Bring Him Home.
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Post by Steffi on Mar 5, 2016 21:40:23 GMT
I remember watching it at the Imax. It was stunning on the big screen but some of the performances were and are just not that good (to say it nicely). And I am a Hugh Jackman fan but Bring him home just isn't a highlight in his singing career.
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 5, 2016 21:52:40 GMT
On Film4 now. I like it it but it will never live up to the original. Crowe.... No. Theres no revolve in it either, rumbling every 3 minutes. Watching it now.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2016 21:56:47 GMT
It did look stunning on IMAX but it will never live up to the brilliant stage performance. Seeing it again next month. Can't wait. Creaky revolve and all.
And sorry but I dislike Bonham-Carter in everything I see her in. She's always playing Helena.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 21:57:02 GMT
I actually really like the film. I saw it the day it opened in Cimema's and the entire audience gave a standing ovation at the end. It was amazing to see on the big screen.
Whilst Crowe is not the strongest singer, I actually think it kind of worked for that role. Jackman was amazing too with the physical aspects of the role, a great voice (though the end of Bring Him Home is awful). The highlights for me were obviously Anne Hathaway who was stellar and totally deserved the Oscar for that performance. But I actually think Samantha Barks was the strongest of the four ladies (Hathaway, Barks, Bonham Carter and Seyfried). She was massively underrated and, actually I think deserved an Oscar nomination right up there alongside Anne. But visually the film is stunning and you get the sense of the epic nature clearly.
I also think the Broadway Revival really missed an opportunity by not adding Suddenly and not swapping I Dreamed a Dream and Lovely Ladies. That song makes so much more sense after Lovely Ladies. She gets thrown out of the factory because she has a child she told no one about and that is all we know of her. Whereas after the hair, necklace, teeth and sex, you really feel emotionally connected to her a lot more. I dunno, I just think that song placement has always been stupid.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Mar 5, 2016 22:12:39 GMT
I actually really like the film. I saw it the day it opened in Cimema's and the entire audience gave a standing ovation at the end. It was amazing to see on the big screen. Whilst Crowe is not the strongest singer, I actually think it kind of worked for that role. Jackman was amazing too with the physical aspects of the role, a great voice (though the end of Bring Him Home is awful). The highlights for me were obviously Anne Hathaway who was stellar and totally deserved the Oscar for that performance. But I actually think Samantha Barks was the strongest of the four ladies (Hathaway, Barks, Bonham Carter and Seyfried). She was massively underrated and, actually I think deserved an Oscar nomination right up there alongside Anne. But visually the film is stunning and you get the sense of the epic nature clearly. I also think the Broadway Revival really missed an opportunity by not adding Suddenly and not swapping I Dreamed a Dream and Lovely Ladies. That song makes so much more sense after Lovely Ladies. She gets thrown out of the factory because she has a child she told no one about and that is all we know of her. Whereas after the hair, necklace, teeth and sex, you really feel emotionally connected to her a lot more. I dunno, I just think that song placement has always been stupid. Isn't this because the factory workers need to change and put on makeup to then play the lovely ladies?
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 5, 2016 22:16:56 GMT
I agree about Samantha Barks
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2016 22:20:52 GMT
Sorry I don't get the hype about Samantha Barks. Pretty girl, decent voice, that's all. Her acting is unremarkable to say the least. I left at the interval of Oliver because it was so dreadful (not entirely her fault).
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 5, 2016 22:32:10 GMT
They've also swapped the positioning of both Stars and On My Own.
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 5, 2016 22:36:01 GMT
I also dislike the kid who plays Gavroche. Didn't like him as Jack in the Into The Woods film.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2016 22:41:57 GMT
Amanda S is trilling like a budgie.
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Post by bulletproof on Mar 5, 2016 22:45:13 GMT
Really not a Crowe fan, but I didn't find him offensively bad in this.
I just found myself niggled by the changes and tweaks (many of which were no doubt necessary to translate it to film, but still).
I suspect it probably plays best to those who've seen the show, but only once or twice. As a big fan of the theatre version it can only come off worse than the composite version of best bits that exists in your mind.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2016 22:47:16 GMT
I actually really like the film. I saw it the day it opened in Cimema's and the entire audience gave a standing ovation at the end. It was amazing to see on the big screen. Whilst Crowe is not the strongest singer, I actually think it kind of worked for that role. Jackman was amazing too with the physical aspects of the role, a great voice (though the end of Bring Him Home is awful). The highlights for me were obviously Anne Hathaway who was stellar and totally deserved the Oscar for that performance. But I actually think Samantha Barks was the strongest of the four ladies (Hathaway, Barks, Bonham Carter and Seyfried). She was massively underrated and, actually I think deserved an Oscar nomination right up there alongside Anne. But visually the film is stunning and you get the sense of the epic nature clearly. I also think the Broadway Revival really missed an opportunity by not adding Suddenly and not swapping I Dreamed a Dream and Lovely Ladies. That song makes so much more sense after Lovely Ladies. She gets thrown out of the factory because she has a child she told no one about and that is all we know of her. Whereas after the hair, necklace, teeth and sex, you really feel emotionally connected to her a lot more. I dunno, I just think that song placement has always been stupid. Seriously Daniel? Why? She does nothing in the film apart from that one song which is competent but nothing more. Why do you think she was so good?
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Post by anthony40 on Mar 5, 2016 22:55:55 GMT
Tell ya what though, Greenwich looks good in the film, doesn't it?
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Post by d'James on Mar 5, 2016 22:58:10 GMT
Ye Olde Greenwiche Français!!!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 5, 2016 22:58:18 GMT
Killing the magic Anthony!
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 6, 2016 1:39:11 GMT
I find this whole film offensive. The literal approach is disrespectful to the art. This material is per definition not literal.
It is a 1 take theatre performance on a pavement with no filmic editing whatsoever, and I see a bunch of poor actors literally struggling with notes. Therefore only the crying scenes work.
This inadequacy makes the singing feel extremely unnatural and out of place. And that makes the acting feel extremely unnatural, as you wonder why the hell they are speaking 3 words and give the last word a 12 second failed musical parody vibrato.
Every stage Valjean gave a much more filmic performance. For example "Now come on ladies, settle down". Every stage Valjean kept the last word short. Jackman speaks the first words and then a 12 second "doooooooooooooooooown" with a grating vibrato. This lack of understanding and lack of combining the singing and acting (instead of constantly switching) made people in the audience laugh.
The singing gets in the way of the acting for them. As they didn't know how to use it. Only when crying.
Combine that with a director who doesn't understand this way of storytelling at all (wrong timings, for example when the guards still walk in the room when the bishop sings "but remember this, my brother", is a guaranteed mess. The main mistake was the thought that "toning everything down" would make it raw and real. It made it silly and stupid. And funny.
The live-bleating was also a part of this problem. Too literal for film.
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Post by danb on Mar 6, 2016 6:19:05 GMT
The only time it has really worked for me is in the cinema. The scale and the volume helped immerse me in the artifice. On a television in the corner of the room only the 'big' scenes work (the prologue and the battles mainly). They better not let Tom Hooper at 'Miss Saigon' or I'll sue!
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Post by loureviews on Mar 8, 2016 8:11:07 GMT
Generally I liked it but the moment Valjean stepped out of the sewer covered in sh@t and then started singing made me giggle.
Anne Hathaway though was incredible. Crowe was good on the acting side but rubbish at the songs.
Good to see Colm at the final scene, nicely done. And Cameron Mack and co cameo was fun.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Jun 29, 2016 13:11:23 GMT
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Post by spendleb on Jun 30, 2016 9:15:23 GMT
I loved it at the cinema in Imax, less so at home. Crowe was a disaster, I also didn't rate Jackman, he took the emotion out of 'Bring Him Home', a task I thought was pretty impossible! Also the last hour looked like a stage set.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 11:30:53 GMT
I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed the film and I don't even really have any gripe with Hugh Jackman or, dare I say it, Russell Crowe (despite him not being able to sing for toffee). I'd have liked 'Master of the House' to have been a bit beefier if I had any real complaint but it was enjoyable enough and SBC and HBC were suitably sleazy. Eddie Redmayne was the highlight for me though, I thought he was rather an effective Marius and I thought 'One Day More' was done rather well.
But hey, I loved the Nicole Kidman movie remake of 'The Stepford Wives' as well so what do I know!
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 11, 2018 13:00:07 GMT
He took the emotion out of 'Bring Him Home', a task I thought was pretty impossible! Also the last hour looked like a stage set. This film was a trainwreck. They had no clue about how to make the singing feel natural. Except the scenes where they were crying as an excuse for failed singing, it did not work. It was a showcase of acting in spite of song, looking miserable while doing it. It was a failed live theatre performance on a pavement. Not a movie. And the acting felt fake. Take a look at this clip:
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