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Post by crabtree on Jul 8, 2017 13:16:06 GMT
the glossy brochure for this 30 year old production just slipped off my shelf. Oh lordie, that was a terrible night at the theatre. Not even the technical masque like qualities could save it, and the sight of a bad hologram of Olivier bowing(or was he hanging his head in shame?) was a true low point in my theatre history. You can see how it evolved alongside Cats and Starlight Express, but heck this was wrong, so wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:32:18 GMT
Time was the first West End show i ever saw. The staging and effects blew my mind. I doubt i will ever see something like it again. I came out with the brochure, tshirt and album! The music was very 80's sounding, its very cheesy about saving the planet but i still loved it. If Metropolis can be done above a pub then maybe Time will come around again
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Jul 8, 2017 17:39:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 17:39:45 GMT
There was a hilarious documentary about Dave Clarke, which made extensive use of EPK footage of Sir Larry singing Dave Clarke's praises
As Stuart Maconie described the doc "Kim Jong Il would have found it a bit one sided"
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Jul 8, 2017 22:20:23 GMT
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Post by firefingers on Jul 8, 2017 22:20:23 GMT
I never saw it but I love the cast recording. Mental, cliche and cheesy, would love to see it done in concert or something
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Jul 9, 2017 9:59:28 GMT
Post by CG on the loose on Jul 9, 2017 9:59:28 GMT
I never saw it but I love the cast recording. Mental, cliche and cheesy, would love to see it done in concert or something All of that... and I loved it! Didn't see Cliff, think it was David Cassidy by the time I went.
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Jul 9, 2017 19:40:36 GMT
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Post by showbizkid on Jul 9, 2017 19:40:36 GMT
Ive often heard chats about the staging for this - what was so special about it? Holograms? Vast set? Anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 21:53:13 GMT
Ive often heard chats about the staging for this - what was so special about it? Holograms? Vast set? Anyone? 8min onwards seems to have some footage from the stage production.
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Jul 10, 2017 7:24:13 GMT
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Post by alece10 on Jul 10, 2017 7:24:13 GMT
I remember seeing this and at the time the staging was ground breaking. My memory is a bit vague but I still remember the hologram and the stage did something special. Did part of it rise up?
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Jul 10, 2017 8:33:24 GMT
Post by CG on the loose on Jul 10, 2017 8:33:24 GMT
I remember seeing this and at the time the staging was ground breaking. My memory is a bit vague but I still remember the hologram and the stage did something special. Did part of it rise up? I couldn't remember clearly either so went in search of pictures and instead came across this Tomorrow's World report on how they achieved some of the special effects used - it gives some impression of the staging but I found it more fascinating to see what was considered ground-breaking enough 30 years ago to warrant a Tomorrow's World slot compared to what is now achievable!
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Jul 10, 2017 9:13:54 GMT
Post by crabtree on Jul 10, 2017 9:13:54 GMT
Having seen it, I didn't remember there being animatronics in the head - I just fretted about Olivier clearly reading his lines. Yep funny about the monitors and such. But if we are talking about special effects, do read Sensation Smith of Drury Lane, about Bruce Smith who stages Ben Hur at the Lane, and had submarines, exploding volcanoes, giants, train crashes in the 1890s. He is truly the father of special effects. Ah except even further back there was Inigo Jones.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:23:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:23:03 GMT
I remember for a while there was a fad for using the same type of projection on to mannequins in shops, but it really didn't work all that well when there was plenty of ambient lighting. It didn't help that there was rarely any great effort put into aligning the projection with the mannequin. The end result was that all too often you ended up with glowing figures with their faces crawling round to the side of their heads like radioactive flatfish. Attention-catching, certainly, but I doubt it did much to increase sales.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:45:08 GMT
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Post by Rory on Jul 10, 2017 12:45:08 GMT
This was the first thing I ever saw in the West End too. I remember the Olivier hologram and Cliff being brought up and out on a massive rising platform and managing to stay standing! At the time I thought it was the bee's knees!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 14:08:16 GMT
The whole of the stage floor raised up off the ground and then tiltrd 90 degress so it was niw facing the audience. Actually that moment is my current profile picture! If you enlarge it you can see how huge it was.
There were huge floating hydraulic chairs that seemed to float across the stage. It had more hydraulics than Metropolis and the stage had to be dug out and rebuilt to hold it all.
There was a thread on here a while ago about Time and its staging.
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Jul 10, 2017 14:27:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 14:27:19 GMT
There was a thread on here a while ago about Time and its staging. 'Time' as a search term is pretty generic, good look trying to dig that one out haha
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Jul 10, 2017 14:35:16 GMT
Post by CG on the loose on Jul 10, 2017 14:35:16 GMT
Having seen it, I didn't remember there being animatronics in the head - I just fretted about Olivier clearly reading his lines. Yep funny about the monitors and such. But if we are talking about special effects, do read Sensation Smith of Drury Lane, about Bruce Smith who stages Ben Hur at the Lane, and had submarines, exploding volcanoes, giants, train crashes in the 1890s. He is truly the father of special effects. Ah except even further back there was Inigo Jones. Indeed, I wasn't suggesting it was the first time effects were used, simply that the methods used to produce them which were seen as so ground-breaking then are very old hat now!
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 14:53:18 GMT
OK don't shout at me, but was the Olivier projection pre-recorded or was it projected live every night?
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Jul 10, 2017 15:02:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 15:02:20 GMT
OK don't shout at me, but was the Olivier projection pre-recorded or was it projected live every night? Im gonna guess that it was pre-recorded because of the amount of comments I've read about him blatantly reading his lines off cue (card or autocue). I'm guessing if he had been on for any significant run he'd have gotten to a point of learning lines. But if anyone can correct me...
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Post by d'James on Jul 10, 2017 15:03:07 GMT
OK don't shout at me, but was the Olivier projection pre-recorded or was it projected live every night? Im gonna guess that it was pre-recorded because of the amount of comments I've read about him blatantly reading his lines off cue (card or autocue). I'm guessing if he had been on for any significant run he'd have gotten to a point of learning lines. But if anyone can correct me... Thanks. Yeah that's what I assumed too, but I want to be sure.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:56:58 GMT
Post by crabtree on Jul 10, 2017 15:56:58 GMT
Oh, no, Olivier was never live during this. He was very frail at the time, and I do believe he died shortly after the run or thereabouts. But it was cruel to expose him reading his lines. It may not have been noticed on a small monitor but when he is projected so large his eye movements reading give the game away. And it is a shame the process did not allow for any head movement. His head must have been in a clamp when he was filmed. Today things would be so much easier - well look at The Tempest down the road, though as usual the physical effects are the best.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:14:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 16:14:06 GMT
I seem to remember reading that some of the elements of Olivier's performance for this were used in "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow"
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Aug 5, 2019 4:32:25 GMT
The whole of the stage floor raised up off the ground and then tiltrd 90 degress so it was niw facing the audience. Actually that moment is my current profile picture! If you enlarge it you can see how huge it was. There were huge floating hydraulic chairs that seemed to float across the stage. It had more hydraulics than Metropolis and the stage had to be dug out and rebuilt to hold it all. There was a thread on here a while ago about Time and its staging. I’ve been doing some random research into John Napier’s more epic set designs today and thought you’d appreciate these @tbfl if you haven’t seen them already. That was one immense fit-up, and the scale of design we’re unlikely to see again. I saw it as a kid towards the end of it’s run at the Dominion and it was unlike anything I’d ever seen - comparable to modern day Cirque shows in Vegas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 8:50:30 GMT
I've never seen any of those pictures! Those floating chairs are still amazing and in that second picture, it looks like a model of the theatre rather than the real thing. That centre disc is huge, especially when you think how big that stage is. Great pics. Thanks for sharing
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Aug 5, 2019 9:10:12 GMT
Post by ukpuppetboy on Aug 5, 2019 9:10:12 GMT
I've never seen any of those pictures! Those floating chairs are still amazing and in that second picture, it looks like a model of the theatre rather than the real thing. That centre disc is huge, especially when you think how big that stage is. Great pics. Thanks for sharing No worries - your profile pic always brings up great childhood memories. I thought that too about the 2nd photo but there are details in there that make me think it’s the real thing. Like the revolving flood lights built into the side walls (which I loved when I saw it) and that projection mapped ceiling. Not sure. But a fascinating archive either way.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 5, 2019 9:38:46 GMT
Oh wow, that does look rather impressive!
I've always heard this production spoken about as rather a joke, despite being quite successful, but I guess that goes with being one of those 'yes, but it was effective when you were actually sat in the audience' productions. Stuff like that always sounds silly on paper.
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Post by alece10 on Aug 5, 2019 13:14:28 GMT
I vaguely remember the show. I can still picture the hologram and I think there was a kind of glass pod/space shuttle. I'm sure I still have the cassette floating around somewhere.
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