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Post by sanddeep on Jun 30, 2017 16:53:47 GMT
Literally the best thing I've seen this year. Agree. Have had a bad run recently with certain productions. Really turned my mood around! Super stuff.
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Post by drmaplewood on Oct 3, 2017 10:17:43 GMT
Transferring to the Dorfman next July.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 3, 2017 11:46:13 GMT
Always good to know there's something I won't need to book for at this pricey venue!
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Post by firefingers on Jun 8, 2018 22:28:15 GMT
Just been to second preview at the Nash and loved it. Barmy with a punch, part circus part satire. The most bizarre piece if theatre I have ever experienced. I was a little lost in Act 1 (particularly the first 20 minutes which are very different) but it builds steam and Act 2 is a tour deforce. Tempted to book again for later in the run, as the technical elements could do with a little tightening but it is preview 2 so to be expected.
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Post by vegas on Jun 9, 2018 2:37:44 GMT
I love this play. I've already seen two different productions of it (New York and Las Vegas), and for my upcoming two weeks in London I've decided to devote one of my precious theatre slots to seeing this production as well. I'm glad that people are enjoying it.
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Post by showgirl on Jun 9, 2018 3:54:08 GMT
Just as I thought, people are still loving this. Which is great all round, but I remain mystified as to why it's the plays and films I most dislike and only wish I could forget (also Pomona and the interminable Call Me By Your Name) which refuse to lie down and die - quietly!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 9:27:38 GMT
One of the things I don't really understand about this show (and someone please enlighten me) is why it was necessary at all. It follows Bouccicault's original quite closely so I wonder why a director didn't just present the original play and send it up(??) Another question I have (and I hope someone can answer) when you laugh at this show what are you laughing at? Are we laughing at Boucicault's ignorance? I ask because I found it very uncomfortable, not least because when I saw it I had just been reading first hand witness accounts about the slave trade. It makes for harrowing reading and with that in my mind I couldn't find the play "hilarious" - but I am aware that I am in the minority here. Also, does anyone know if there exists a farce about the Holocaust. Answers to my questions would be appreciated.
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Post by foxa on Jun 9, 2018 9:43:30 GMT
I saw this at the Orange Tree and liked it - I think the framing of it (though you can imagine the actor playing writer delivering his first speech in a small Richmond Theatre was uncomfortable - if the whole play had been like that - I wasn't up for a lengthy harangue - I would have headed for the door myself) was needed to highlight the reclaiming and reworking of the story. There were also moments of great depth (I remember a scene between two of the actresses being particularly strong) and beauty (loved the cellist who, at the Orange Tree, was sat in the aisle and was incredible.) The staging was hugely creative as well - in an exciting 'what's going to happen next?' way.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 15, 2018 22:53:59 GMT
I would say this is the favourite to win best play next year.
Was really looking forward to seeing this, after I found Gloria very good.
For me I found it tedious and overlong, not helped by the programme saying the running time is 2hr 25, But is 2hr 50, so gave me an half hour wait at Waterloo East.
Thought Gloria was much better.
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Post by vegas on Jun 21, 2018 19:44:28 GMT
This is the third production I've seen, and I enjoyed it every bit as much as the first.
I agree that this one seem to run a little long. Probably could have been 10 minutes shorter.
But overall, well done.
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Post by jadnoop on Jul 2, 2018 22:08:02 GMT
Wow. I'm still reeling from this.
It's definitely not for everyone. Abrasive, in-your-face, and very American. A fair few people walked out fairly early on, or didn't return at the interval. However, it really blew me away with its inventiveness, heart, and humour that managed to make you cringe, think, and laugh, often all at once.
Im sure I missed a fair few of the layers, in-jokes, and meta commentary. However, the one thing that stumped me was a choice about midway through the second act to show an image. No spoilers, but when this moment occurred it was like the entire audience drew breath. After 3/4s of a play sliding between silly humour and thought-provoking sincerity, you could've heard a pin drop. It felt like a fantastic, sobering culmination to a wonderful evening. So it felt slightly strange to return to another ~20 mins of story and light-hearted humour, after such a serious moment.
All in all, this is another wonderful play at the Dorfman. Five stars. It makes me regret missing Gloria, which I hope is revived somewhere in London soon.
If I wasn't seeing Roger Waters I'd get tickets to see the playwright interview on Friday.
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Post by jadnoop on Jul 2, 2018 23:25:31 GMT
I haven't seen any interviews with the writer or director, so am happy to be corrected, but this was my take on the points you made: One of the things I don't really understand about this show (and someone please enlighten me) is why it was necessary at all. It follows Bouccicault's original quite closely so I wonder why a director didn't just present the original play and send it up(??) While I don't think it was necessarily 'necessary' to frame the play in the meta and comedic way it did, I think if you removed that side of things it would have been a fundamentally different play. I mean, you could ask whether most artistic choices are truly 'necessary' for pretty much any piece of art. However, in my opinion that's a separate (and less important) issue than whether or not those choices were effective, or true to what the artist(s) were trying to say. Secondly, my take on it was that the prologue scene with the playwright talking about the play was honest. Which is to say I don't think that he was simply trying to mock the original play, or laugh at Boucicault. My feeling was that the points at the beginning (that he thought the play was good, but troubling in a modern context) were earnest. Therefore, this framing was both an acknowledgement of the fact that you couldn't put the play on 'as is' without at least addressing the issues, as well as a reflection of the fact that he was interested in the issues of race, identity, and theatrical form and explicitly wanted to do a play that talked about these things. Another question I have (and I hope someone can answer) when you laugh at this show what are you laughing at? Are we laughing at Boucicault's ignorance? For me at least, it was a mixture of things; sometimes that awkward laughter that you might do when you see something shocking, outrageous or distasteful, sometimes laughing at the silliness/slapstic, sometimes laughing at a clever moment or joke, sometimes laughing in that uncomfortable, awkward way, and so on. On the whole I didn't find it as hilarious as some in the audience did, but I did feel it struck the right balance. I ask because I found it very uncomfortable, not least because when I saw it I had just been reading first hand witness accounts about the slave trade. It makes for harrowing reading and with that in my mind I couldn't find the play "hilarious" - but I am aware that I am in the minority here. My feeling (and again, I'm happy to be corrected by others), was that the discomfort was part of the point. I don't think that the humour of the play and the seriousness of the subject matter are necessarily incompatible. Also, does anyone know if there exists a farce about the Holocaust. Answers to my questions would be appreciated. I don't know about theatre, but there are certainly comedies set during the holocaust on film. Perhaps not 'farce' but Roberto Begnini's Life Is Beautiful was critically lauded on release, although admittedly it's had a backlash since. I think Robin Williams' Jakob The Liar was similar.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jul 2, 2018 23:29:23 GMT
However, the one thing that stumped me was a choice about midway through the second act to show an image. No spoilers, but when this moment occurred it was like the entire audience drew breath. After 3/4s of a play sliding between silly humour and thought-provoking sincerity, you could've heard a pin drop.
I was silent at this point because I found it to a cheap and unnecessary trick which treated its audience like simpletons. I wasn’t a huge fan of the show before that point but my view of it was definitely soured after that point. It didn’t make me feel uncomfortable or check my conscience. It was just cheap.
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Post by nash16 on Jul 2, 2018 23:57:30 GMT
The showing of that image seems to obviously serve to shock the audience but also comments on an earlier line about "photos not being shockable anymore". The image proves that they still can be, and obviously are. {Spoiler - click to view}BUT...does it really have to take an image of a lynching to make the "white audience" feel for the characters? Do we keep having to return to that to make white people sympathise with black people? I felt, like the President videos at the end of Network, that this was unnecessary, as initially powerful as the image was to see.
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Post by Steve on Jul 3, 2018 0:39:23 GMT
The showing of that image seems to obviously serve to shock the audience but also comments on an earlier line about "photos not being shockable anymore". The image proves that they still can be, and obviously are. Probably edit that for spoilers.
I agree with you that it refers back to the line about whether photos have an impact.
And since the thing that happened happened, I think it's worth proving the point in that way, at a time of reactionary backlash.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 10:21:04 GMT
I enjoyed this, I think, but it was a very uncomfortable watch, which it is of course supposed to be. I think I enjoyed most the bits (eg Act IV) where the debate about the difficulties in staging the play were interspersed with the play itself. Out of interest I read the original text of "The Octoroon" this morning - it's available on Project Gutenberg - www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46091. To be honest there's nothing in the original text (or in the introductory scene to "An Octoroon") to explain why Jenkins sees the play as worthy of staging. Anyway, most of the dialogue of the slave characters in the play is reproduced verbatim in the Jenkins version, including pronunciation as specified by Boucicaut. (for instance "Hey ! laws a massey ! why, clar out ! drop dat banana ! " ) Most of the slaves don't speak in the original so Jenkins has added contemporary dialogue for the female slaves who now take the part of multiple silent characters in the original. The plot makes a lot more sense in the original - for instance, the photographer and inventor of the camera is not the same character as the nephew, and the corpse & wrecked camera are hidden together by Wahnotee so it makes more sense that nobody mentions it till the scene with the reveal. The Aunt is a major character in the original (her attitude to Zoe is quite interesting) and there's a lot of interesting stuff at the beginning around the way Zoe is treated in a social setting by the white characters, before the reason for this is revealed. Regarding the ending, the original's sequence of events is 1. The burning boat sequence (not true that the text specifies that the boat explodes) (George not present at this point) 2. Zoe gets the poison (interestingly she calls the other woman "Aunty" - "Mammy" has been added by Jenkins) 3. Wahnotee and McClosky fight, McClosky dies, George not present 4. Scene back at the house with George, Zoe poisons herself, Scudder (the photographer) arrives with Pete to say everything is OK, Zoe dies.
Seemed to me the moral of the original was "be nice to your slaves" rather than "slavery is bad". This is made very clear in the auction sequence in the original. Forgot to add another difference - in the original, the other slaves don't run away. Presumably they are all supposed to be there in the background of the auction scene
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Post by orchidman on Jul 16, 2018 22:53:34 GMT
Nowhere near as clever as it thinks it is. Didn't really see the point of performing a version of the old play, didn't think it had anything new to say on the serious topics, and the projection near the end shocked the audience but was entirely unearned.
A lively production and I was never bored to be fair, but don't believe the hype.
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Post by jadnoop on Jul 17, 2018 14:10:05 GMT
The 'NT Talks' podcast have now released the interview with Brandon Jacobs Jenkins that happened a few weeks ago. I don't know if it's the entire thing (episode is only 20mins long) and it's fairly lightweight and focuses more on the theatrical side of things than the social commentary but it's somewhat interesting.
It's a shame that these podcasts aren't released in a more consistent manner. I don't think the Annie Baker interview during John has been released yet.
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Post by david on Jul 17, 2018 23:07:56 GMT
Having seen this at today’s matinee, all I can say is that I thought that overall while it was an enjoyable but as others have noted a difficult watch in tackling an important subject.
I must admit, the first Act could have done with a bit more editing to be honest as it really started to drag, even with the comedy elements in it, while the second act zipped along at a much faster pace. What was telling was the fact that at there where a few empty seats dotted around the auditorium post interval. Whether this was down to people finding the language used an issue or just didn’t enjoy the plot is debatable, but the audience members who stayed to the end who I sat in with today certainly enjoyed it.
The one issue like other posters before me have stated is the use of the image at the end. While I get what it was trying to achieve, I just felt that in the overall tone of the production it really didn’t do that as it felt out of place in the context of the story. I think it was maybe one element that could have been removed during previews to be honest.
An interesting afternoons entertainment by a hard working cast, but certainly not one I would consider revisiting anytime soon. I think in terms of dealing with the subject matter of slavery, I think “Showboat” managed to convey the message in a far more effective way.
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