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Post by nash16 on Jul 27, 2016 22:12:26 GMT
Nice 4 * review for this from the Torygraph.
Do we know why this is co-directed by Howard Davies and Jeremy Herrin? Is Howard Davies ill?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 22:45:24 GMT
Big pile of sh*t
Left after 35 mins
After the scene change
The worst sort of pantomime Irish accents
Possibly the worst dialect work in my living memory
Utterly laughable
Idiot characters who chat rubbish
I don't find it interesting watching a play where the characters are 2D cut outs
I pity the poor sods paying £65 premium for this
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 22:49:14 GMT
Yes Howard Davies is ill
Hope he gets better
However it seems as if they may as well have had no director
It's the crappiest most boring sombre and pointless play
The characters all have IQs in the single figures
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Post by d'James on Jul 27, 2016 22:51:34 GMT
It's funny. A friend asked me last night if I wanted to go and see this. I just looked up the synopsis and I quite like the look of it. Will definitely consider it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 22:53:04 GMT
It's funny. A friend asked me last night if I wanted to go and see this. I just looked up the synopsis and I quite like the look of it. Will definitely consider it. The synopsis does sound interesting and thrilling Alas The characters are all thickos Totally unwatchable unless you like laughing at stupid people A woman lies her baby on the floor of a pub whilst she fights with someone People drink whisky A whore says she has feelings too A man hits his wife People have a fight All sh*ttiest stereotypes about the Irish you could want Yet lacks even a shred of drama
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Post by d'James on Jul 27, 2016 22:56:11 GMT
Well if I can get good value tickets, I'll make up my own mind and get back to you. Thanks
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Post by theatreliker on Jul 28, 2016 12:36:20 GMT
Was at press night last night. I also wondered why Jeremy Herrin had joined Davies. I presume you knew the play beforehand Parsley as the bit with the baby on the floor is after where you left, no? It's a play about the destructive powers of war and I think it is a timely revival especially after all the nationalist arguments of recent. Great set, some fine acting, thought the accents were mostly good. I agree that there is a lack of drama at times; I suppose it's more of a kaleidoscopic look at a group of characters rather than a plot-led play. I don't think it sets the NT alight, even if it does literally. Overall, however, it does pack a punch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 9:52:40 GMT
I enjoyed this - slow start but the second half makes up for it
Agree with comments on the accents though. I saw a captioned performance and found myself relying on those to follow some of it
Some bizarre audience reactions with a couple of people cackling loudly most of the way through, think they thought they were watching Mrs Brown's Boys
For fans of The Archers - Ian has the largest male role
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 9:02:04 GMT
Dull, dull, dull. I left at the interval. It's a very uninteresting play, I'm afraid.
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Post by Jan on Aug 27, 2016 9:58:53 GMT
Dull, dull, dull. I left at the interval. It's a very uninteresting play, I'm afraid. Were there many there ? This has always looked like death at the box office to me.
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Post by bordeaux on Aug 27, 2016 16:13:20 GMT
Dull, dull, dull. I left at the interval. It's a very uninteresting play, I'm afraid. A shame. Trevor Nunn and Judi Dench made it seem thrilling at the Young Vic 25 years ago, I seem to remember.
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Post by andrew on Aug 29, 2016 0:37:39 GMT
Saw this on Saturday. The accents weren't as bad as were suggested above, but the stupidity of the characters was. It would be one thing watching a play about intelligent working class men and women discussing and being affected by a national uprising, it's quite another to have to watch half a dozen idiots wittering on about the same thing. Didn't find it funny or interesting or moving. I got more fun slating the production to the random person sitting next to me at the interval and after than in watching the thing. Glad I paid £5 only. 2 stars, largely for the production design.
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Post by youngoffender on Sept 1, 2016 9:55:54 GMT
I was put off Sean O'Casey for life by the soul-sapping Ciaran Hinds/Niamh Cusack *Juno and the Paycock* in the same theatre a few years ago, so I was always going to steer well clear of this. The National's website shows a load of unsold seats for the remainder of the run, even at weekends, so alongside *The Suicide* it's going to be a rum year for the Lyttleton in terms of attendance figures; Rufus will have to hope that *The Deep Blue Sea* and *The Red Barn* can do enough to help massage the overall numbers when it comes to the Annual Report...
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Post by loureviews on Sept 2, 2016 11:40:14 GMT
I was put off Sean O'Casey for life by the soul-sapping Ciaran Hinds/Niamh Cusack *Juno and the Paycock* in the same theatre a few years ago, so I was always going to steer well clear of this. The National's website shows a load of unsold seats for the remainder of the run, even at weekends, so alongside *The Suicide* it's going to be a rum year for the Lyttleton in terms of attendance figures; Rufus will have to hope that *The Deep Blue Sea* and *The Red Barn* can do enough to help massage the overall numbers when it comes to the Annual Report... Sinead not Niamh. I liked that production and will be going to this one shortly. I don't have any problem with O'Casey's work.
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Post by danielwhit on Sept 2, 2016 13:09:43 GMT
It's well produced but didn't do anything for me.
There are problems with the text - notably that we are given signals to dislike whatsherface but then need to feel sympathetic in the last 5 minutes (and for that point - how long can you make a death last on stage? Evidently a lot of script). There are also several characters who seem to have a job description of "pad the play out, we need to give them chatting outside the chance for a Guinness before all hell breaks loose later on".
Good staging - did draw you into the world pretty happily. Although as is often the case with house sets, you wonder if the residents really had super high ceilings. Heating bills must have been soaring, even with the burning inferno outside.
Not one I'd revisit, but glad I saw.
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Post by peelee on Sept 3, 2016 16:55:52 GMT
Having seen a fine production of this play at the Barbican (it may have been in its RSC days) some years ago, I'd looked forward to seeing this at the National. It is a good play that can work so well, but when I saw this production early in its run it seemed to need tighter directing and some editing as there seemed to be characters in scenes whose presence struck me as odd and unthought-through. I didn't think that the co-directors or whomsoever, were on the socialist Sean O'Casey's wavelength at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:30:38 GMT
Well. It's a great set. It spins around and moves forward and back and everything. Smashing. I struggled with the play I have to admit. I struggled more with some of the accents though, some of them are rather strong. Not a lot happens really but perhaps I wasn't concentrating enough. I think I must have dozed off a bit during it because . . . {Spoiler - click to view} . . . in the second act, Nora has turned into this hysterical, obsessed woman while she was nothing like that in the first act plus where did the pregnancy come from? I could have sworn she wasn't pregnant in the first act. How much time passed between acts? Some nice performances though, particularly from Tom Vaughan-Lawlor as The Young Covey and Justine Mitchell as Bessie Burgess although . . . {Spoiler - click to view} . . heavens to Betsy, how long does it take to die? I have to say the one out of the cast I really disliked was Judith Roddy as Nora Clitheroe. In the first act she was fine but in the second act I felt she overacted terribly, it was all just very shouty and it all just sadly became irritating rather than sympathetic (as I presume we're meant to feel towards her). My attention wandered significantly when she was on. Not even half full last night I should think . . .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 8:42:43 GMT
The time frame confused me too - I assumed while watching it that the protests in the first half led directly to the Easter Rising in the second half and this was all happening over a couple of days. But apparently acts 1 and 2 are November 2015, acts 3 and 4 are April 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 10:14:05 GMT
But apparently acts 1 and 2 are November 2015, acts 3 and 4 are April 2016. Interesting! I wonder how Jeremy Herrin managed to persuade Howard Davies to set this production a century after the historical events?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 14:02:39 GMT
The time frame confused me too - I assumed while watching it that the protests in the first half led directly to the Easter Rising in the second half and this was all happening over a couple of days. But apparently acts 1 and 2 are November 2015, acts 3 and 4 are April 2016. Me too but that makes sense for the apparent shift now. Perhaps I should have read the notes first instead of concentrating on my Gin & Lemon and my Double Decker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 14:33:27 GMT
How did All Kinds Of Everything go down, Ryan? I spent the evening wondering if you had any time to fit in a couple of Johnny Logan's hits too?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 15:35:19 GMT
How did All Kinds Of Everything go down, Ryan? I spent the evening wondering if you had any time to fit in a couple of Johnny Logan's hits too? I didn't get to it I'm afraid. They threatened to throw me out half way through my Riverdance. That Rufus Norris is tougher than you'd think.
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Post by Nicholas on Sept 25, 2016 20:17:24 GMT
Surprisingly compelling, there was something of a great symphony to this play and Davies/Herrin’s production. I find myself something of a contrarian here – I really rather liked this. I found Juno and the Paycock fell flat, and I found The Silver Tassie an academic rediscovery which didn’t really work on stage, but this had a communal energy, and changes in tone, which made it quite entertaining and rather enlightening. The tone of this production was of ordinary lives lived at a fast pace as the world moved faster around them, whilst the script had a musicality which belied its domestic and political setting. I can’t say I loved this, but after two underwhelming O’Caseys, The Plough and The Stars seemed really quite a cut above, with something interesting to say about how communities start revolutions.
The Silver Tassie, of course, had that musical scene. I thought it worked in isolation, but as the second of four parts it was a sore thumb. When the drama turned into a pre-emptive O What A Lovely War, The Silver Tassie stopped being a play and started being four short plays, and that made for naff drama. The Plough and the Stars was a much better evocation of music than an actual musical section ever could be: this production had crescendos and diminuendos, solos and tutti, unison and nigh-on improvisatory jazz. Its second act, the bar, never lost momentum: outside sounds made an ostinato whilst the debate built up with lovely pace. I don’t know if Herrin brought a new energy or Davies found more to work with, but throughout I found what was impressive – and even educational – about this production was how like Caryl Churchill the overlapping intercutting dialogue was, but more presciently how scenes – like symphonies – swelled into unison (setting off a nationwide war) before softening into solos (bringing a sometimes desperate and innocent humanity into this history lesson). Because it was entertaining first and foremost to the ears (liked the set but like many things swamped in this too-big theatre) it was a rather entertaining piece of work, so when Act III exploded like it did it shocked far more pertinently than any of the explosions in The Silver Tassie, whilst the deaths in Act Four had an emotion resonance Juno and the Paycock lacked. I don’t think it’s a great play because I still think it doesn’t get to the heart of why this rebellion happened (perhaps, written so soon after the event, rewriting to add context would be good), and doesn’t consolidate its three strands of the theoretical upset causing revolution with the physical violence with the character work (interesting though all three over-stuff strands are), but I think it’s a very very good piece of theatre as seen here. Great cast, fascinating script, not perfect and not essential but surprisingly entertaining and surprisingly quite powerful.
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Post by Jan on Sept 26, 2016 6:49:43 GMT
Having seen a fine production of this play at the Barbican (it may have been in its RSC days) some years ago, I'd looked forward to seeing this at the National. It is a good play that can work so well, but when I saw this production early in its run it seemed to need tighter directing and some editing as there seemed to be characters in scenes whose presence struck me as odd and unthought-through. I didn't think that the co-directors or whomsoever, were on the socialist Sean O'Casey's wavelength at all. Well politically Howard Davies is right on socialist Sean O'Casey's wavelength. It rarely works well when one director has to take over from another director - the Michael Pennington King Lear was another recent example.
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Post by lynette on Oct 22, 2016 23:05:52 GMT
Saw chat re stage malfunction on Amadeus thread , well this afternoon we were 45 mins into this and it had to stop. The back of the pub set did a massive wobble.. All well after a bit. A flawed play I think but a little corker. Honestly when you see current writers trying to be relevant I think they should have a look at this Irish stuff. Dead on the moment but also for all time. Massive performances from the women. I wasn't going to catch this but then saw it was on this afternoon before Amadeus in the evening so did both for economy of effort! A very satisfying day at the NT which coming from me is a big compliment. We're on the up.
( still hate the architecture and the toilets and the downstairs cafe and the shop is dark and too small...)
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