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Post by aksis on May 7, 2018 11:25:42 GMT
I brought water on Friday and they said nothing. Was in the balcony and the sound was horrible. Could not hear the words when two or more people were singing. That orchestra though!!
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May 7, 2018 12:50:19 GMT
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Post by Scswp on May 7, 2018 12:50:19 GMT
Why does Florence not appear until well into the story? In versions I’ve seen previously, you don’t have to wait that long for her character to appear. Why, according to some people who have seen it so far, is her appearance so much later in this production? What has changed to that extent?
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Post by distantcousin on May 7, 2018 13:17:55 GMT
Why does Florence not appear until well into the story? In versions I’ve seen previously, you don’t have to wait that long for her character to appear. Why, according to some people who have seen it so far, is her appearance so much later in this production? What has changed to that extent? Because this production is based so heavily on the concept album, which in turn means "Commie Newspapers" and "Florence and Molokov" are cut and therefore Florence doesn't get to do anything of any significance until halfway through act 1 - her character is not able to establish herself in any real sense until towards the end of act 1. My gut feeling of this production was that the focus of the plot was very much Anatoly vs Freddie, and getting to know their characters. Florence was borderline superfluous and especially with the enhanced Svetlana role - the two female characters were pretty much evened out in terms of "stage time"
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Post by msconvoluted on May 7, 2018 15:28:40 GMT
New member here. I've been following this thread since the show got the green light but I too refused to buy a ticket until I knew who was involved. Michael Ball was a fine pull for me and feels like an old pal I've known since Aspects of Love a hundred years ago and my first West End show.
I had the album way back when in '85 and was lucky enough to see it on Broadway with the amazing Judy Kuhn - saw it twice in one trip on its all too brief run. It's a show very dear to me.
And overall I was happy with this production. The plot is still a mess and yet another ending tagged on. I think that's the third variation I've seen including a US tour with a father/daughter reunion for Florence at the very end.
I enjoyed all four leads and I personally loved the screens and the choreography was wonderful. The Soviet/USA number was fab. The music sounded superb but it was a case of wondering what music would be used and what songs wouldn't.
I was there Saturday night and there were many empty seats around me in the upper circle. I wondered if the fine weather had caused that? Cedric came in too early on a line and had to sing it again and with those big screens you could see the terror in his eyes at the mistake and then a huge nervous smile. The audience were very kind though and gave him a very strong response and many whoop whoops.
I would see it again but it's just not running long enough for a trip in from the SW.
On a side note, my bag got checked and I had to argue not to have my bakery goods in my bag get confiscated. I had to promise the woman that I would not be eating cinnamon buns through the performance!
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Post by AddisonMizner on May 7, 2018 17:56:25 GMT
I saw the Saturday, 5th May matinee, and enjoyed it, but it is not one of my favourite ENO musicals.
I have always wanted to see CHESS on stage, as I do love the music, which is extremely well served here. The orchestra and chorus do sound sublime! Michael Ball was a fantastic bonus as well. I booked before his casting was announced, but if I hadn’t, I would have booked on his name alone having been a long-time fan. For me, he was the strongest of the cast vocally, although I did feel that he struggled with the score in places, such as the Mountain Duet, but he could have been having an off day. He did give a barnstorming performance of Anthem though, and this was the only time in the piece I had a genuine emotional reaction. Acting-wise, I actually felt he was a little bit wooden, and one-note, though nobody particularly stood out in the acting department. The rest of the leading cast seemed to shout and scream their way through the material, which became tiring after a while.
The book didn’t bother me. I think I have been to enough operas for that not to be really an issue, with some of those being downright absurd. I mean it did drag in places (such as the Chess Game), and I think some of the songs didn’t actually need to be there (such as the Russian and American numbers), or could have been cut down, but it wasn’t a massive issue. My main gripe however was the direction. I initially liked the use of projection for The Story of Chess and Merano, and the use of video in Freddie’s first entrance was effective and well-done. However, I soon found this to be overused, and distracting, as rather than watching what was happening on stage, I was just watching the projections, which I really didn’t need to do from my rather expensive stalls seat! There was just too much happening on stage most of the time. I didn’t know where to look or where my attention should have been. Plus, the staging was rather camp and over-the-top in places, which I am still not sure whether I liked or not.
So, a mixed bag, but still worth a visit to hear it played in this way and sung by the chorus.
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Post by Steve on May 7, 2018 18:36:02 GMT
Laughing at the girl's reaction to ONIB being a big hit. 80s children, admit it, you knew all the words and danced to it in your bedrooms when playing your tapes of the charts That's me described to a tee! Top of the Pops seemed SO important, I kept a chart of the charts, awash with predictions of how high each song would go. And I thought ONIB should go to number 1 cos it was original (rapping - wow) and "mysterious:" all the inadvertently racist orientalism of the time, casting everything to do with Asia as temptation, drugs and/or sex, with Bowie's "China Girl" in the charts the year before, "White China" the lead song on Ultravox's new "Lament" album," Alphaville singing "Big in Japan" and ONIB, maybe, best of all, with it's queens, devils and angels all ready and willing to swallow rational Westerner, Murray Head from head to toe. I didn't know the song was from a musical at the time, but even then it was obvious this was a character Murray Head was playing, in a story he was telling, as he was so nasty about Thailand, and I thought he was deservedly consumed by Thailand's temptations at the end of the song, as all the queens, angels and devils got the better of him. I'm glad I didn't really get it lol. Sadly, the musical itself utterly fails to create a frame for this great sounding song that would turn it into effective theatre. If only Freddie Trumper was effectively characterised, the song could be presented as his insular, Apocalypse-Now style mad reactionary rant about everything outside his comfort zone, a song that indicts both him and the arrogant culture this pampered preening rock star of a Chess player derives from. Instead, the song comes across as the exact Eurovision-style culturally-insensitive cheesy tourism that the song should be critiquing. To it's credit, this production gives lots of good parts to BAME actors, and does not demean them by relegating them to the ensemble cheesefest that illustrates this song. And I did enjoy Tim Howar's eighties preening very much, his wavy wobbling hair, his furious petty manchild pouting, with his careening onscreen image suggesting a lead singer of a rock band at the end of a very long cocaine binge after a gig. The highlight of the whole show, for me, was Howar's massive indulgent whine about how much we should "Pity [his inner] Child," in which he tries to justify his aversion to "queens" by confessing his daddy called him a "queer." Howar delivered it with admirable straightfaced passion and conviction. As theatre, it's beyond ridiculous. As cheese, it's a year-long highlight, of much-needed ridiculousness, at a stressful historical moment. I loved it! In fact, cheese was where the fun was at with this production, given the absence of a book. I can't critique the book, because there simply wasn't one. However, Cassidy Janson's hair looked every bit Bonnie-Tyler-after-a-bout-with-a-wind-machine, and I checked the year column on my watch when she was on stage to see if it was 1984. Janson nailed "I know him so well," as did Alexandra Burke, but the cheesy irony of the song is that we don't know Anatoly one bit, and we kinda sorta know that she doesn't either. We know NOTHING about him, except his nonsensical pronouncement in "Anthem" that he loves his home, but not it's history, nor his family either, evidently, since he has abandoned them for a bit of adulterous debauchery. It is to Michael Ball's hilarious wonderful credit that he keeps such a straight face as he makes so much out of that song. The women next to me were having conniptions of delight at the force of his belt (his voice, not his waistline), but it was his straight face that I truly appreciated. The best cheese should never be openly acknowledged. The sense of cod opera was in the air throughout. A classic opera has a soprano in the doldrums: here, Alexandra Burke, effectively channeling emotions from nowhere; and it has a baritone with dastardly destructive intentions: here, Phillip Browne's growling impressively fearsome Molokov, and it has supernumeraries up the wazoo, who sing at them from the sidelines (I loved the laughing policemen style number that the male ensemble performed, in particular), while two tenors fight over a lady (present and correct, sir). But instead of the deep dark desperate emotions that an opera would elicit from these ingredients, here, there is abject hollowness: and huge screens projecting that hollowness out into the audience, so we can check every nook and cranny of the stage for a real emotion, only to find not a one, and then realise how hilariously funny it is to sing about emotions that simply don't exist, because they were never written. This show is the reverse image of last year's ENO musical. There, Boe blundered through the most elementally moving musical of all time, Carousel, overegging his physical prancing to disguise his lack of inner feelings. Here, his songmate Ball freezes every narcissistic impulse to conjure genuine emotions from his soul, but applies them to an empty frame of a musical, that simply has forgotten to join the dots of characterisation and story to all it's wonderful performers. In the lead up to this show, we had so much praise here for the show, and so little regard for the performers. But it's the performers, not the show, that won me over this time. I rate it the same as last year, for opposite reasons: 3 and a half stars.
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Post by Dawnstar on May 7, 2018 19:38:53 GMT
Because this production is based so heavily on the concept album, which in turn means "Commie Newspapers" and "Florence and Molokov" are cut and therefore Florence doesn't get to do anything of any significance until halfway through act 1 - her character is not able to establish herself in any real sense until towards the end of act 1. None of the reiews I've read bothered to mention those cuts. "Commie Newspapers" is one of my favourite numbers so I'm extremely disappointed to discover it's cut. Between this & all the comments about ENO not allowing you to take in water I am feeling less and less inclined to see this production.
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Post by shady23 on May 7, 2018 19:50:09 GMT
The water thing is nothing more than a mild inconvenience. There were huge pitchers of water at the bar when I went last Saturday that you could help yourself to.
If loads of people were sneaking alcohol in and being rowdy the venue would be criticised too. They can't win!
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Post by loureviews on May 7, 2018 20:24:53 GMT
I'm going to review this production in full when I've seen it again on Saturday. Suffice to say though that I was very happy to see so much of the concept album numbers used (although I would have welcomed a return to the original lyrics in some places), and the addition of the two songs for Svetlana (I know SES was written for Florence originally) helped develop her character in a way. I disagree about Florence not being showcased until part way through Act One as I felt she was the strong one of the American delegation from the moment she stepped off the plane in Merano.
If I was going to rank the productions I'm familiar with right now:
1. Concept album 2. Original London 3. This one 4. Storm-Barnes-Clarke tour 5. Swedish production 4. Concert RAH (way down the list)
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Post by djp on May 7, 2018 21:55:55 GMT
The visuals were interesting - what a great idea to make a musical look just like watching a film of people singing. But watching 2 giant Balls towering over one mini one, is just too distracting, and made me wander if it was an attempt to make mini Ball more imposing, and why the show wasn't priced 90% lower. They also tried to use historical images to convey the setting but, as the wise American lady next to me noted, the images are probably lost on most people under 50. It was also annoying to be left watching people move invisible pieces on a, sideways viewed, chess board, for what seemed like an age, while two actors went through a limited repertoire of meaningless expressions, but said side screens showed nothing of the top view of pieces on chess board -which might have woken up the odd brain cell.
The sound mixing was off in multiple places. The addition of an operatic chorus, on top of the MT ensemble singing the score, just produced a countervailing operatic caterwauling , when it didn't just support the main vocals. The orchestra was sensational , but, in overkill, killed everything else. If you have a thin book we need to hear what there is of it. The power also didn't always match the score - the opening dirge , attempting to display the sheer turgid, drabness, of state socialism in practice, isn't improved by being played by a louder orchestra.
Cassidy Janson was very good - although the American lady noted that Florence isn't meant to be the most powerful singer there, but she was glad someone stood out. The ensemble were also good. Though the book imposes unmeetable demands on the male ensemble- to play physically opposite roles - from the, infamous, un PC, ladyboys, TO acrobats, to the, sturdy , anti-freeze sozzled , thugs of the MVD, the KGB praetorian guard .
The main problem though was a plague of miscasting among the leads. It looked like the search for a quota of star names was reinforced, by some crazy idea to introduce diverse lead casting - all regardless of who could play the role . The result was I didn't think either chess master was convincing. One wasn't notably Russian, troubled or brilliant, or that vocally spectacular, and the other was a somewhat tepid, unconvincing, supposedly rock star, character who could also have been better served by the sound mixer. The Arbiter wasn't authoritative, or always audible, or comprehensible, and the Russian KGB minder lacked menace, authority and much else . The tension declined further when his MVD unit looked more camp than gulag. Alexandra Burke was a story of two halves and an inbetween. Someone Else's Story mined areas of her range best left unexplored , but I Know Him So Well was nice.
If you want to put on a story with missing dots , undermining any attempt to join them up, and to sing difficult , lyric heavy songs, you need to pick people who can act them to fill in the gaps, and who can sing the right notes powerfully enough . In this case it wouldn't have been difficult to think of several casts of leads who should have been stronger- I saw two top females in a cabaret that evening, who were free, for singing Svetlana. Or they could have lifted Svetlana and the Arbiter from their own Sunset Boulevard cast's Betty and Max , Or just raided their own ensemble , and then looked at an army of better male leads from the resting ranks of acting enabled Phantoms, and Galileos.
As it was I would have preferred this on 2 15 foot screens
As people have also noted, it started on a bad note when the sheer greed police decided to make sure their profits were not threatened - by refusing admittance to any food or drink. While you have all transport organizations advising people to take drink with them on a scorching day - the ENO security staff busied themselves clamping down on the deadly threat to profits. An intelligent terrorist could easily get in and kill hundreds, but that deadly bottle of water was being efficiently kept out. I took the appropriate action, and decided not to buy anything at all inside. Perhaps they will get the point if enough people did the same.
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Post by dazzlair on May 8, 2018 0:54:33 GMT
OK, so I returned tonight for the second time. On Friday I noted that Michael Ball came in a line too early during Endgame. And he did it again tonight! So it went like this:
Enselmble: There they go again! Your deeds inflame them Drive them wild, but then Who wants to tame them? If they want a part of you Who'd really blame them?
Anatoly: (Totally missing out "And so You're letting me know) *Mumble*..success...
Florence: You're the only one Who's never suffered Anything at all!
Anatoly: And every poison word...(wrong place, awkwardly sung as he realised it)
Svetlana: Well, I won't crawl And you can slink back To your pawns And to your tarts
Anatoly: ...And...(interrupting Svetlana's last line, then waits for her to finish)
Anatoly: And every poison word Shows that you never understood!
What is going on? Does Mr Ball have a mental block with this part of the song? This enquiring mind needs to know!
On a separate note, I realised tonight what I wanted out of this production which I didn't get. I wanted so badly for Florence to be the heart and focus of the show. Rebecca Storm and Shona White were complete standouts for me in their respective productions. The direction of the shows they were in put them front and centre and consequently, I could feel Florence's dilemma and ambivalence. Having her reprise Anthem at the end also (quite rightly for me) let her have the last word. The ENO production makes Florence the third most important character and subsequently I didn't really care about her, regardless of how well Ms Janson sang it. Just my two cents' worth. Having said that, I enjoyed the chorus and orchestra even more than I did on Friday. Fabulous noise.
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May 8, 2018 7:23:44 GMT
Post by distantcousin on May 8, 2018 7:23:44 GMT
The visuals were interesting - what a great idea to make a musical look just like watching a film of people singing. But watching 2 giant Balls towering over one mini one, is just too distracting, and made me wander if it was an attempt to make mini Ball more imposing, and why the show wasn't priced 90% lower. They also tried to use historical images to convey the setting but, as the wise American lady next to me noted, the images are probably lost on most people under 50. It was also annoying to be left watching people move invisible pieces on a, sideways viewed, chess board, for what seemed like an age, while two actors went through a limited repertoire of meaningless expressions, but said side screens showed nothing of the top view of pieces on chess board -which might have woken up the odd brain cell. The sound mixing was off in multiple places. The addition of an operatic chorus, on top of the MT ensemble singing the score, just produced a countervailing operatic caterwauling , when it didn't just support the main vocals. The orchestra was sensational , but, in overkill, killed everything else. If you have a thin book we need to hear what there is of it. The power also didn't always match the score - the opening dirge , attempting to display the sheer turgid, drabness, of state socialism in practice, isn't improved by being played by a louder orchestra. Cassidy Janson was very good - although the American lady noted that Florence isn't meant to be the most powerful singer there, but she was glad someone stood out. The ensemble were also good. Though the book imposes unmeetable demands on the male ensemble- to play physically opposite roles - from the, infamous, un PC, ladyboys, TO acrobats, to the, sturdy , anti-freeze sozzled , thugs of the MVD, the KGB praetorian guard . The main problem though was a plague of miscasting among the leads. It looked like the search for a quota of star names was reinforced, by some crazy idea to introduce diverse lead casting - all regardless of who could play the role . The result was I didn't think either chess master was convincing. One wasn't notably Russian, troubled or brilliant, or that vocally spectacular, and the other was a somewhat tepid, unconvincing, supposedly rock star, character who could also have been better served by the sound mixer. The Arbiter wasn't authoritative, or always audible, or comprehensible, and the Russian KGB minder lacked menace, authority and much else . The tension declined further when his MVD unit looked more camp than gulag. Alexandra Burke was a story of two halves and an inbetween. Someone Else's Story mined areas of her range best left unexplored , but I Know Him So Well was nice. If you want to put on a story with missing dots , undermining any attempt to join them up, and to sing difficult , lyric heavy songs, you need to pick people who can act them to fill in the gaps, and who can sing the right notes powerfully enough . In this case it wouldn't have been difficult to think of several casts of leads who should have been stronger- I saw two top females in a cabaret that evening, who were free, for singing Svetlana. Or they could have lifted Svetlana and the Arbiter from their own Sunset Boulevard cast's Betty and Max , Or just raided their own ensemble , and then looked at an army of better male leads from the resting ranks of acting enabled Phantoms, and Galileos. As it was I would have preferred this on 2 15 foot screens As people have also noted, it started on a bad note when the sheer greed police decided to make sure their profits were not threatened - by refusing admittance to any food or drink. While you have all transport organizations advising people to take drink with them on a scorching day - the ENO security staff busied themselves clamping down on the deadly threat to profits. An intelligent terrorist could easily get in and kill hundreds, but that deadly bottle of water was being efficiently kept out. I took the appropriate action, and decided not to buy anything at all inside. Perhaps they will get the point if enough people did the same.
Why isn't Florence "meant to be the most powerful singer there"? - I don't see a reason why she shouldn't be. In most productions, she is considered the female lead.
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Post by distantcousin on May 8, 2018 7:28:40 GMT
OK, so I returned tonight for the second time. On Friday I noted that Michael Ball came in a line too early during Endgame. And he did it again tonight! So it went like this: Enselmble: There they go again! Your deeds inflame them Drive them wild, but then Who wants to tame them? If they want a part of you Who'd really blame them? Anatoly: (Totally missing out "And so You're letting me know) *Mumble*..success... Florence: You're the only one Who's never suffered Anything at all! Anatoly: And every poison word...(wrong place, awkwardly sung as he realised it) Svetlana: Well, I won't crawl And you can slink back To your pawns And to your tarts Anatoly: ...And...(interrupting Svetlana's last line, then waits for her to finish) Anatoly: And every poison word Shows that you never understood! What is going on? Does Mr Ball have a mental block with this part of the song? This enquiring mind needs to know! On a separate note, I realised tonight what I wanted out of this production which I didn't get. I wanted so badly for Florence to be the heart and focus of the show. Rebecca Storm and Shona White were complete standouts for me in their respective productions. The direction of the shows they were in put them front and centre and consequently, I could feel Florence's dilemma and ambivalence. Having her reprise Anthem at the end also (quite rightly for me) let her have the last word. The ENO production makes Florence the third most important character and subsequently I didn't really care about her, regardless of how well Ms Janson sang it. Just my two cents' worth. Having said that, I enjoyed the chorus and orchestra even more than I did on Friday. Fabulous noise. Completely agree. In every version I've watched or heard of Chess, Florence is the heroine of the piece. I was shocked in this concept album based production just how sidelined and secondary she was.
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Post by loureviews on May 8, 2018 14:03:56 GMT
I spent a while this morning watching the promo videos and concert from 1984 with the concept album leads. Always forget how moving it is when Elaine Paige as Florence and Tommy Korberg as The Russian sing together.
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Post by n1david on May 8, 2018 15:59:30 GMT
Statement from ENO about Food and Drink policy. Rather than being sensible and allowing in water, they're changing the policy so that opera has the same policy as everything else - no outside food or drink at any performance. www.eno.org/news/update-food-drink-policy/
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Post by stevej678 on May 8, 2018 16:06:21 GMT
"It’s central to our ethos that everyone who comes through our doors feels completely welcome" - so that's why we'll be nabbing any bottles of water off you at the entrance and offering you an overpriced alternative from the bar instead.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 8, 2018 16:15:46 GMT
Goodness. Quite a wide remit there. I thought it was just a theatre.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 16:46:35 GMT
Well, I still think this is a dumb policy but it's now in line with some other theatres and at least not just singling out one audience.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 8, 2018 17:10:38 GMT
I think the minute a venue stops people from taking in their own water it’s starts to smell suspiciously like sales of refreshments is driving the decision. Yes I get get the point about people putting alcohol in water bottles but really, if someone is THAT determined to get wasted they will find a way of concealing it somewhere other than their bags. Also, not everyone who wants to take their own G&T in, after paying for a stupidly expensive ticket, and considering the monstrously inflated bar prices, is going to be a lager lout. Many of them will have their tipple and behave perfectly well. So this means the majority are punished for the misbehaviour of a minority.
Theatres should have a policy on dealing with disruptive audience members, whatever the nature of that disruption and publish that, and train their FOH to enforce it. Because that’s the real problem here.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 17:17:22 GMT
"It’s central to our ethos that everyone who comes through our doors feels completely welcome" - so that's why we'll be nabbing any bottles of water off you at the entrance and offering you an overpriced alternative from the bar instead. And yet free water is available in all the bars, some with ice, lemons and.limes in. They'll even give you a free plastic glass to take into the auditorium.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 8, 2018 17:27:47 GMT
Yeh but a lot of people won’t even know that. A lot of people will go nowhere near the bar in a theatre. They just want to take their little bottle of Buxton Springs in without being treated like a drug smuggler.
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May 8, 2018 17:31:33 GMT
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Post by shady23 on May 8, 2018 17:31:33 GMT
To be fair the people telling us to tip out our water were telling everyone where they could get water from.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 17:43:42 GMT
What do they do if you down the bottle of water / vodka / gin on front of them rather than pour it away?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 8, 2018 17:44:51 GMT
To be fair the people telling us to tip out our water were telling everyone where they could get water from. Don’t rain on my tirade.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 18:29:25 GMT
"It’s central to our ethos that everyone who comes through our doors feels completely welcome" - so that's why we'll be nabbing any bottles of water off you at the entrance and offering you an overpriced alternative from the bar instead. And yet free water is available in all the bars, some with ice, lemons and.limes in. They'll even give you a free plastic glass to take into the auditorium. Yes, but I don't want to join the scrum at the bar pre-show or at the interval - I shouldn't have to do that just to get some water! Not even Harry Potter with its strict security stopped me from taking water in, so I really don't see this behaviour from the ENO as anything other than money-grabbing.
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