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Post by daisy24601 on Feb 20, 2020 20:33:05 GMT
Interesting, I was convinced he'd take up the role in the West End in September, isn't that usually when the cast change is?
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Post by 141920grm on Feb 20, 2020 21:32:39 GMT
Perhaps he was holding out for the West End role but things didn't work out in the end? Just my guess.
Yep, cast change is usually September and I just found an interview that suggested West End auditions are around this time...
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Post by Oleanna on Feb 21, 2020 23:59:56 GMT
Yep just been confirmed according to social media photos of the dress rehearsal that they're using the US tour chandelier. They also seem to be using the side boxes from the original production and their design seems to be altered (less detailed) compared to the set model they released. The travelator they're using looks chunky and has a dented matte finish, the original is shiny!. The introduction of the "Garnier Curtain" backdrop from the US tour is completely un-necessary and just adds extra weight to the show. I feel like I'm nitpicking but this whole show feels like a cashgrab and I'm not surprised considering what Cameron Mackintosh has done to Les Mis, Miss Sagion and countless other shows in the past few years. After the original Les Mis production got replaced, I'm now more than worried for the Brilliant original in London. Do you have a link please? |
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Post by Theatrefan48 on Feb 22, 2020 0:37:23 GMT
Anyone got tickets for this tomorrow or next week?
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Post by 42ndBlvd on Feb 22, 2020 8:52:31 GMT
Yep just been confirmed according to social media photos of the dress rehearsal that they're using the US tour chandelier. They also seem to be using the side boxes from the original production and their design seems to be altered (less detailed) compared to the set model they released. The travelator they're using looks chunky and has a dented matte finish, the original is shiny!. The introduction of the "Garnier Curtain" backdrop from the US tour is completely un-necessary and just adds extra weight to the show. I feel like I'm nitpicking but this whole show feels like a cashgrab and I'm not surprised considering what Cameron Mackintosh has done to Les Mis, Miss Sagion and countless other shows in the past few years. After the original Les Mis production got replaced, I'm now more than worried for the Brilliant original in London. Do you have a link please? Go to "anoperaghost" on instagram, look through their story. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 8:55:31 GMT
It looks like someones dangling an ear ring in front of the camera.
So incredibly disappointed in Cameron Macintosh and RUG. Absolute sham.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 22, 2020 9:22:33 GMT
Yep just been confirmed according to social media photos of the dress rehearsal that they're using the US tour chandelier. They also seem to be using the side boxes from the original production and their design seems to be altered (less detailed) compared to the set model they released. The travelator they're using looks chunky and has a dented matte finish, the original is shiny!. The introduction of the "Garnier Curtain" backdrop from the US tour is completely un-necessary and just adds extra weight to the show. I feel like I'm nitpicking but this whole show feels like a cashgrab and I'm not surprised considering what Cameron Mackintosh has done to Les Mis, Miss Sagion and countless other shows in the past few years. After the original Les Mis production got replaced, I'm now more than worried for the Brilliant original in London. Chandelier news! So, my friend who is in the know says that apparently there has been a problem with the new chandelier and that they have had to bring in the US tour one as a temporary measure while they sort the new one. Also the Curve is not the largest theatre in the world. Perhaps the new one just didn't fit. |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Feb 22, 2020 9:26:07 GMT
I find all this a bit ludicrous if i'm honest. For one we know that there have been some issues with the chandelier and that's why the US Tour version is being used, it's temporary, Cam Mac said on the radio that certain issues with the set will be rectified over the course of the run and it will be in full force by the summer. Secondly, Cam Macs productions continue to be some of the highest quality tours around and he tries to get them as close to their west end counterparts as possible, sometimes it's not possible. Talking about his tours as shams and money grabbers is absurd when you compare them to some of the tours that go around with their half sets, costumes from asos and reality tv star leads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:34:21 GMT
I could post a side-by-side comparison picture of the tour and the London production, to show the physical differences, not just in the 'temporary' chandelier, but of course Id be banned for doing so.
My main bug, and I stand by this wholeheartedly, is that we were sold "the brilliant original" and this production is by no means "the brilliant original" and to that extent this is an outright sham. I have been lied to and misled in order to part with hundreds of pounds. So yeah, I'm a little bit furious.
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Post by Theatrefan48 on Feb 22, 2020 9:38:02 GMT
Yep just been confirmed according to social media photos of the dress rehearsal that they're using the US tour chandelier. They also seem to be using the side boxes from the original production and their design seems to be altered (less detailed) compared to the set model they released. The travelator they're using looks chunky and has a dented matte finish, the original is shiny!. The introduction of the "Garnier Curtain" backdrop from the US tour is completely un-necessary and just adds extra weight to the show. I feel like I'm nitpicking but this whole show feels like a cashgrab and I'm not surprised considering what Cameron Mackintosh has done to Les Mis, Miss Sagion and countless other shows in the past few years. After the original Les Mis production got replaced, I'm now more than worried for the Brilliant original in London. Chandelier news! So, my friend who is in the know says that apparently there has been a problem with the new chandelier and that they have had to bring in the US tour one as a temporary measure while they sort the new one. Also the Curve is not the largest theatre in the world. Perhaps the new one just didn't fit. Said "friend" saw the dress run last night and said the show is beautiful. A few differences here and there but majority the same as London. He said it looks very sleek and fresh and that seeing it looking so clean was like being transported back to when the London show was brand new. I'm going tonight. (also, he confirmed that the new chandelier doesn't fit the Curve ceiling as it's too big and will be added in Manchester). Can't wait!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:39:07 GMT
Except the original did tour, multiple times to multiple venues. Do we 'know' there is another chandelier? aside from a post on here?
I do think he plans to do a les mis with phantom in London once he finds a production he is happy with.
I also disagree a bit with him presenting the best tours. Maybe once, but instead of originals they are now always scaled down, redesigned etc with some marketing spin attached. Deliberately avoiding the top creatives. They are still good, but have not bettered the originals in my view. Cameron used to represent quality and spent the money but he is now more and more about cost cutting. Really only Disney are the ones that take the west end shows on tour with minimal differences to the main london show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:40:59 GMT
I could post a side-by-side comparison picture of the tour and the London production, to show the physical differences, not just in the 'temporary' chandelier, but of course Id be banned for doing so. My main bug, and I stand by this wholeheartedly, is that we were sold "the brilliant original" and this production is by no means "the brilliant original" and to that extent this is an outright sham. I have been lied to and misled in order to part with hundreds of pounds. So yeah, I'm a little bit furious. I completely agree that this was miss sold at the start but I dont think it's been promoted as the brilliant original for a while now? certainly doesnt seem to be as new venues are added |
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Post by Theatrefan48 on Feb 22, 2020 9:44:28 GMT
I could post a side-by-side comparison picture of the tour and the London production, to show the physical differences, not just in the 'temporary' chandelier, but of course Id be banned for doing so. My main bug, and I stand by this wholeheartedly, is that we were sold "the brilliant original" and this production is by no means "the brilliant original" and to that extent this is an outright sham. I have been lied to and misled in order to part with hundreds of pounds. So yeah, I'm a little bit furious. The show is on in London, noone has said its closing... Just go there if you're a traditionalist! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:44:28 GMT
I could post a side-by-side comparison picture of the tour and the London production, to show the physical differences, not just in the 'temporary' chandelier, but of course Id be banned for doing so. My main bug, and I stand by this wholeheartedly, is that we were sold "the brilliant original" and this production is by no means "the brilliant original" and to that extent this is an outright sham. I have been lied to and misled in order to part with hundreds of pounds. So yeah, I'm a little bit furious. I completely agree that this was miss sold at the start but I dont think it's been promoted as the brilliant original for a while now? certainly doesnt seem to be as new venues are added All promotion across Greater Manchester still bills this as The Brilliant Original", the promotional adverts going out on regional network television still do, and the Curve even posted a video 19hours ago with it billed as so. http://instagram.com/p/B81RNvEnERS |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:47:01 GMT
I could post a side-by-side comparison picture of the tour and the London production, to show the physical differences, not just in the 'temporary' chandelier, but of course Id be banned for doing so. My main bug, and I stand by this wholeheartedly, is that we were sold "the brilliant original" and this production is by no means "the brilliant original" and to that extent this is an outright sham. I have been lied to and misled in order to part with hundreds of pounds. So yeah, I'm a little bit furious. The show is on in London, noone has said its closing... Just go there if you're a traditionalist! Wouldn't say thats a viable argument. There plenty of people I know who can't afford a luxurious trip to London's West End, or even a budget trip, who have had to wait years for Phantom to tour again, some who have never seen it. They all brought tickets under the premise they were seeing a tour of the original. So it's not about being a "traditionalist". |
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Post by Theatrefan48 on Feb 22, 2020 9:53:44 GMT
The show is on in London, noone has said its closing... Just go there if you're a traditionalist! Wouldn't say thats a viable argument. There plenty of people I know who can't afford a luxurious trip to London's West End, or even a budget trip, who have had to wait years for Phantom to tour again, some who have never seen it. They all brought tickets under the premise they were seeing a tour of the original. Well get a refund then and don't go if it's going to be so offensive to you! I have to admit I find it amazing that there are clearly hundreds of people working around the clock to make this show as "brilliant" as the original and before it's even opened for previews some "fans" are slating it! I've seen the London show many times and am really intrigued and excited to see the differences, the tweaks and *gasp* the improvements!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:59:14 GMT
Ahhhhh now I remember why I left this place.
Heaven forbid someone should express an opinion that differs to that of the majority.
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Post by danielwhit on Feb 22, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
Wouldn't say thats a viable argument. There plenty of people I know who can't afford a luxurious trip to London's West End, or even a budget trip, who have had to wait years for Phantom to tour again, some who have never seen it. They all brought tickets under the premise they were seeing a tour of the original. Well get a refund then and don't go if it's going to be so offensive to you! I have to admit I find it amazing that there are clearly hundreds of people working around the clock to make this show as "brilliant" as the original and before it's even opened for previews some "fans" are slating it! I've seen the London show many times and am really intrigued and excited to see the differences, the tweaks and *gasp* the improvements!!! Totally agree, it really feels as if some people need to find a gripe with this production. So far as I am concerned, this will be "the brilliant original" if it is 95% identical. From all I've heard, it will be. Frankly we can't expect in 2020 for a complete replica to go out for short tour stints - in the 90s they had to have two sets running at once (one being performed, the other being built/struck) to keep the tour running. Costs just make that impossible these days. 99% of the audience wouldn't spot any difference. From what I'm hearing on here, this isn't a Les Mis, a Miss Saigon, or (thankfully) a Ghost. This is the original production with a couple of tweaks to enable it to tour at a reasonable price. Sounds fair to me. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 22, 2020 10:04:59 GMT
In the brilliant original there are those dummies in fancy dress on the masquerade staircase and if an actor touches them by accident they wobble a bit... 🙂
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Post by danb on Feb 22, 2020 10:08:03 GMT
It’s been widely advertised as the ‘original’; people would be well within their rights to expect to SEE the Phantom they’ve seen in London. Conversely, the music & script could be considered the ‘original’ element, so as long as they are present we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
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Post by richey on Feb 22, 2020 10:16:11 GMT
I could post a side-by-side comparison picture of the tour and the London production, to show the physical differences, not just in the 'temporary' chandelier, but of course Id be banned for doing so. My main bug, and I stand by this wholeheartedly, is that we were sold "the brilliant original" and this production is by no means "the brilliant original" and to that extent this is an outright sham. I have been lied to and misled in order to part with hundreds of pounds. So yeah, I'm a little bit furious. I completely agree that this was miss sold at the start but I dont think it's been promoted as the brilliant original for a while now? certainly doesnt seem to be as new venues are added it's being heavily promoted as the 'brilliant original on tour' all across Manchester at the moment, not only on posters but right across the side of a tram too... http://instagram.com/p/B80i36cJ-wPG2zurBOy0ZR7GlynXlNhdAjdsw00 |
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Post by richey on Feb 22, 2020 10:16:46 GMT
In the brilliant original there are those dummies in fancy dress on the masquerade staircase and if an actor touches them by accident they wobble a bit... 🙂 that's the only bit I really hate about the original. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 22, 2020 10:20:40 GMT
The Christine in a wedding dress dummy is a bit wobbly too...
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Post by HereForTheatre on Feb 22, 2020 10:26:44 GMT
Ahhhhh now I remember why I left this place. Heaven forbid someone should express an opinion that differs to that of the majority. There is nothing wrong with a bit of healthy debate @mm , as long as nobody is being rude or aggressive, which I've not seen so far. Any opinion is going to be open to some counter argument. |
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