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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 15:07:05 GMT
It really doesnt sound all that revolutionary. And if they are setting it in a traditional fairytale land then the artwork makes even less sense
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 14, 2020 15:39:47 GMT
makes even less sense now. |
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Post by irisjeregenboog on Feb 14, 2020 15:47:04 GMT
Transforming yourself for somebody else? Are we still talking about Cinderella or have they accidentally confused it with The Little Mermaid? Cinderella wanted to go to the ball, so she got a pretty dress and shoes. That's not such a leap, is it? Nobody wants to turn up at a ball in rags. After the ball, she was very happy to be in rags again and the prince didn't care either, as far as I'm familiar with the story...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 16:03:19 GMT
yeah I thought that. Plus I dont know why changing yourself seems to be always painted as a negative thing these days. Changing yourself can often be good.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 14, 2020 16:26:39 GMT
Grease tackled the issue of changing yourself to please a man decades ago.
Well. Sort of.
But still there isn't anything that new in what they are planning
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Post by horton on Feb 14, 2020 16:30:49 GMT
This is such a yawn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 16:36:44 GMT
Ahh well there we go.
Remain highly hopeful for this. I think they have chosen an appropriately sized theatre, good creative team, cup cakes and nutty fans aside I like CHF's singing and acting and ALW generally seems to be 'on form' these days. Is it going to be a score to rival Phantom or Sunset? Obviously not - but I hope it will be good.
I also hope it will be sung through although I am guessing it probably won't be.
I just hope it's not too 'woke' for the sake of being 'woke.' I'm all over social equality and the stamping out of injustice but it can lead to lazy easy storytelling. It needs to be less obvious, more complex.
And as for the ticket 'rush' referred to above - I agree with those that say there won't be one. A new ALW musical in terms of current trends is not the automatic sell out it was in the 80s and 90s. I don't think there will be any problem getting tickets though I do hope it will prove popular enough to get past a year and have a cast change.
CHF is of course very popular but her fans do not spend 75 quid on 'top price non premium.' Very much the #dayseatmafia. So doubt will be a factor in the advance.
In fact at Les Miserables at the Sondheim I was very pleasantly surprised that the fangirls were not in, and she got the same applause and appreciation as everyone else.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 15, 2020 9:32:15 GMT
I’m fully expecting this show to reveal in all its glory how totally out of touch ALW is with the ‘yoof’ of today. The whole enterprise is bizarre and I cannot wait.
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Post by anita on Feb 15, 2020 10:27:11 GMT
I adore ALW but this does sound rather boring.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Feb 15, 2020 10:34:01 GMT
I dunno, i mean i think that he tackled SOR quite well and i was surprised by it. Plus it's not his actual idea or story. Based on the clip the music isn't going to be 'young' though.
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Post by theatremadness on Feb 15, 2020 12:11:53 GMT
Grease tackled the issue of changing yourself to please a man decades ago. Do you think? I always thought it was more about Sandy developing herself as a person and taking control. Danny treated her like a doormat, she wasn't going to be pushed around so she found her inner strength. That she went after him again was either a mistake or a chance to engage in the relationship afresh on her terms this time. "Summer Nights" showed she always had his measure anyway, but didn't know how to run things her way. Psychoanalysis of "Grease" on a Saturday morning. Nobody can claim Theatreboard is just for the frivolous. I'd say this was wishful thinking! When it comes down to it (having done the show), Sandy changes to make herself more desirable to Danny. When you consider when this was written and the times and experiences it was written about, it seems like claiming that Sandy isn't changing to please a boy is just making excuses for the fact that it's a bit of an icky plot point in an iconic and widely-loved show (not talking about TheatreBoard here!). Just my opinion anyway! We all need something to think about on a Saturday morning 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 12:24:56 GMT
But doesnt Danny make an effort to change to? he does in the film anyway.
Let's face it girls/women have been having makeovers since practically the dawn of time for one reason or another and men are now catching up in different ways (e.g. working out, fashion etc.).
And sometimes you meet someone or a situation occurs that makes you realise you're stuck in a rut/in comfort zone and you can (and want) to be better or different and gives you the confidence to do that. I get where people are coming from but change doesn't always equal bad and staying yourself doesnt always equal good.
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Post by theatremadness on Feb 15, 2020 12:59:46 GMT
But doesnt Danny make an effort to change to? he does in the film anyway. Let's face it girls/women have been having makeovers since practically the dawn of time for one reason or another and men are now catching up in different ways (e.g. working out, fashion etc.). And sometimes you meet someone or a situation occurs that makes you realise you're stuck in a rut/in comfort zone and you can (and want) to be better or different and gives you the confidence to do that. I get where people are coming from but change doesn't always equal bad and staying yourself doesnt always equal good. This is Grease. It's not that deep, unfortunately. Anyway - he tries to become a jock to impress her maybe? But other than that, he ignores her at school to protect his image, finds it hard to impress her without looking weak in front of the other T-Birds, he doesn’t stop when Sandy says no in the drive-in, yet Sandy still thinks her image is the problem so changes to suit Danny. I'd be interested to hear female perspective on this as I do usually find that it's men who believe Sandy's transformation is for herself, not for Danny. Sorry for derailing the Cinderella thread too haha |
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Post by viserys on Feb 15, 2020 14:01:46 GMT
I'm a female and I'll be happy to share my perspective because I get really bored by this ongoing "Sandy changes for Danny" accusations. She doesn't and it's right in the script. Even during the date at the Drive-In Sandy shows spirit by refusing to go along when Danny gets handsy. Instead she returns his ring and leaves.
Soon after everyone except Danny is together in Jan's basement, hanging out and Sandy announces, "Don't put too many records on, I'm leaving soon" (it's her record player) and the others tease her that she wants to leave because Danny isn't there and she says "I didn't come here to see him", Rizzo asks "Whatdya come for then?", Sandy: "Uh, because I was invited", Rizzo: "We only invited ya because we needed a record player"
In this moment Sandy is rejected by the WHOLE group, girls included. The scene continues with Rizzo's revelation that she may be pregnant, Sandy tries to be nice to her and Rizzo flies into her face with "There are worse things I could do". After that Sandy sings a full reprise of "Look at me, I'm Sandra Dee" in which she sings "When THEY critizise and make fun of me, can't THEY see the tears in my smile? Don't THEY realize there's just one of me and it has to last me a while? (...) Sandy, you must start anew..."
This isn't about Danny, this is about wanting to belong to a group, a clique, which is something I'm sure almost every teenager feels. And yes, they change to fit in with the group. Girls do it, boys do it too - they all wear the same kind of clothes, hairdos, whatever. And as adults we can preach as much as we like that it's best to "just be yourself" - very few people do, certainly not as teenagers.
I'm also quite sure that teenagers have always and will always experiment with different styles - get a mad hairdo, go "gothic" for half a year or try some crazy fashion. Do we really think that Sandy will only walk around all dolled up in super-tight leather pants now? I'd like to think, that she's just showing them "I can be more than that boring dull little girl you see" and wear a little more fashionable clothes from then on onwards.
So yes, I'm very much with @rnc - this is about self-development, finding the strength to change, moving on, etc. There are so many shows with godawfully written female characters, but I never ever thought Grease and Sandy were among them.
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Post by viserys on Feb 15, 2020 14:04:07 GMT
I also apologize for derailing the Cinderella thread - I'll give them the benefit of doubt until this is actually opening, but I agree with @dom, I also just hope it won't be trying to be woke for being woke's sake.
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Post by theatremadness on Feb 15, 2020 14:40:35 GMT
Yes I totally get you viserys , it's a good point well made! Personally I don't find that the whole group rejects her in the Rec Room scene - actually the opposite. They want Sandy to stay and Frenchy says “don't mind her, Sandy” when Rizzo is the one continually ripping into her. The revelation that Rizzo might be pregnant and her subsequent outburst is what breaks that party up. This is all according to the stage show anyway, not the film! And I find that her “sexy” reveal seems to be tailored purely towards Danny. Maybe Rizzo and Marty act and/or dress in that fashion but I wouldn't have said Frenchy & Jan do so the whole fitting in with the Pink Ladies thing I also don't fully buy. But as I’ve said, it's purely my opinion and what you've said certainly makes a lot of sense. Don't wanna derail this thread much further - who else was in the workshop cast for this and do we think any of them will make an appearance in the show too? |
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Post by latefortheoverture on Feb 15, 2020 15:18:20 GMT
I'm remaining optimistic for this one. Emerald is a clever girl, I think she might help this.
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Post by djp on Feb 15, 2020 20:37:19 GMT
I adore ALW but this does sound rather boring. looks like a show for woke 7 year olds, people writing a PhD on role assumption in Cinderalla, and the accountant's calculation that Carrie can fill the theatre for 3 months, and itsgoing to attract the yonger audience in panto season. .
Cinderella is a badly treated young girl - would be a great role for one of the talented younger current/recent Eponines,or someone who can still look like one, or a muddied up Christine.
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Post by ABr on Feb 17, 2020 8:56:19 GMT
I'm remaining optimistic for this one. Emerald is a clever girl, I think she might help this. This is what is giving me a glimmer of hope! It is Emerald's story, not Andrews, so I think thats got to account for something! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 9:16:30 GMT
I'm remaining optimistic for this one. Emerald is a clever girl, I think she might help this. This is what is giving me a glimmer of hope! It is Emerald's story, not Andrews, so I think thats got to account for something! Haha, yes and no; to the extent that ALW could ever relinquish overall control. It’s a bit like Lawrence Connor’s “direction” for ALW and Cam Mac - we all know who’s in the driving seat. That said, I do think some of ALW’s best composing has come when he’s working on someone else’s idea. Doesn’t happen that often sadly. But Evita was Tim Rice’s idea. Beautiful Game Ben Elton’s. Cats TS Eliot, and shaped very much by Trevor. Etc. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 17, 2020 10:25:21 GMT
They’re trying to make that pink squiggle into a ‘thing’
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Post by pianowithsam on Mar 5, 2020 18:38:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 18:49:02 GMT
what a pathetic and ridiculous excuse
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 5, 2020 19:14:57 GMT
what a pathetic and ridiculous excuse It smacks of wanting to get some extra publicity |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 20:25:35 GMT
what a pathetic and ridiculous excuse It smacks of wanting to get some extra publicity I’m not sure it is. If they want a set number of weeks between tickets going on sale and the show opening, and if that would involve tickets going on sale mid coronavirus crisis, then it makes sense to me because I can’t imagine the tourist trade is going to be huge over the next few weeks. |
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