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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 8:18:41 GMT
If it’s like any of ALW’s previous new musicals, he will insist on tinkering with everything EXCEPT the very things that need the work- like the script and the score. If it doesn’t work- the set and costumes will be blamed. And the choreography. It’s very depressing to hear that despite endless workshops and development, the storyline is not great. I don’t hold out much hope for any big changes during rehearsals, you need a proper director with clout taking charge of things, this hasn’t got one of those. Exactly! If Cinderella isn’t successfully I’ve been wondering what he’ll blame it on. There’s always some reason, other than the piece itself, that is to blame. I'm sure CHF who is the current flavour of the month will find herself sidelined like so many of his 'best actor ever' before her. |
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Jun 27, 2021 8:44:10 GMT
It’s a real shame to hear this is not the hyper-modern take on the story we were promised. In fact the ‘modern’ element seems very nudge nudge/wink wink (aren’t we naughty!) and Cinders herself sorely underdeveloped. Can’t help thinking of Into The Woods, which tried something interesting with the character - I’m guessing ‘Cinderella’s soliloquy’ doesn’t quite have the wit or psychological insight of On The Steps Of The Palace?!
Can’t wait to see and judge for myself!
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Post by stuartmcd on Jun 27, 2021 9:00:01 GMT
Just out of interest but were we ever told that this show was super modern?? I may be totally wrong and forgetting so please correct me. I know they’ve definitely referred to it as not being the Cinderella that we all know. That it was quite a different take on the classic fairytale.
I think the show does a decent job of bringing in modern elements to the story whilst keeping it set in a fairytale world. I think to modernise it any more then it would have to be set in reality and it could lose a lot of the fun that this show has to offer.
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Post by properjob on Jun 27, 2021 9:11:59 GMT
I get the impression that most of the people in the thread who don't like how some of the characters are portrayed or think the story needs a total overall haven't actually seen it yet? I think those of us that have seen mostly think it needs a few tweaks scripts to bring more clarity to certain moments in the story rather than an overhaul?
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 27, 2021 9:13:24 GMT
I guess if its Baby Boomer that's used its OK, but if it's the 'Boomer' term that's a bit more problematic. It's overused now and usually in completely the wrong context and at anyone that is disagreed with and that's not even of that generation. A bit like Karen. Can also crop up on hate/Inflammatory speech at times. Yeah can we put boomer and Karen in the bin now already? As well as being derogatory they’re starting to date. We get it - an older person has written the music a younger person has written the book. Although ALW is a classic meddler I can’t see him re writing swathes of the script. That’s down to a emerald and she’s very definitely not a boomer |
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 27, 2021 9:17:53 GMT
I get the impression that most of the people in the thread who don't like how some of the characters are portrayed or think the story needs a total overall haven't actually seen it yet? I think those of us that have seen mostly think it needs a few tweaks scripts to bring more clarity to certain moments in the story rather than an overhaul? I think we are basing our ‘impression’ on what others who have seen it have said? Lots seen in agreement with the characters? Loving the reviews and reading the tidbits though. Makes me want to see it (and of course have an fully rounded informed opinion after) |
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Post by Mark on Jun 27, 2021 9:31:51 GMT
I get the impression that most of the people in the thread who don't like how some of the characters are portrayed or think the story needs a total overall haven't actually seen it yet? I think those of us that have seen mostly think it needs a few tweaks scripts to bring more clarity to certain moments in the story rather than an overhaul? Exactly this. The score, set, lighting, costumes, staging etc are good to go. The cast are great. It’s just the book that needs some more clarity with some of the plot points. |
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 27, 2021 9:38:31 GMT
Just out of interest but were we ever told that this show was super modern?? I may be totally wrong and forgetting so please correct me. I know they’ve definitely referred to it as not being the Cinderella that we all know. That it was quite a different take on the classic fairytale. I think the show does a decent job of bringing in modern elements to the story whilst keeping it set in a fairytale world. I think to modernise it any more then it would have to be set in reality and it could lose a lot of the fun that this show has to offer. "I have long wanted to write my own version of Cinderella but could never find a take on the classic story that really grabbed me," said Lloyd Webber in a statement. "Emerald Fennell has written something truly exciting and original, and the moment I read her outline I knew I'd found my latest collaborator.” I’ve not heard anything from the reports so far that sounds “truly exciting and original”. |
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Post by richey on Jun 27, 2021 9:44:56 GMT
Have they taken all tickets off sale? Just looked at the website and nothing on there after Thursday
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Post by Mark on Jun 27, 2021 9:47:12 GMT
Have they taken all tickets off sale? Just looked at the website and nothing on there after Thursday They have been adding performances before July 19th on a day to day basis, presumably as they sort out all of the reseating. |
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Post by sprampster on Jun 27, 2021 10:18:08 GMT
Anyone got advise on how to get tickets for the next few weeks ? Can’t find it online anywhere
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Post by danb on Jun 27, 2021 10:28:56 GMT
It’s a bizarre performance schedule in the first place with its wed-sun timetable. Is there really mileage in a Weds matinee but no evening show? I would at least expect a shoe toe Sunday to make up for it. I guess we’ll see.
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Post by sprampster on Jun 27, 2021 10:38:00 GMT
Have they taken all tickets off sale? Just looked at the website and nothing on there after Thursday They have been adding performances before July 19th on a day to day basis, presumably as they sort out all of the reseating. Thanks Mark can’t believe I posted my request straight after yours lol |
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Post by Mark on Jun 27, 2021 10:41:03 GMT
Thanks Mark can’t believe I posted my request straight after yours lol I’d expect Friday/Saturday performances next week to appear on Monday/Tuesday and continue on from there. Must be a nightmare doing all the reseating bubbles as there will be different sized groups for each performance. By the way, having never sat in the circle at the Gillian Lynne before, I was very impressed by the view. I was row F centre section and had a great view. |
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Post by mortal on Jun 27, 2021 10:49:36 GMT
I'm looking to book this for later in the year. Would those who have seen it recommend the moving seats, do you miss anything?
Thanks
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Post by ceebee on Jun 27, 2021 10:55:25 GMT
I get the impression that most of the people in the thread who don't like how some of the characters are portrayed or think the story needs a total overall haven't actually seen it yet? I think those of us that have seen mostly think it needs a few tweaks scripts to bring more clarity to certain moments in the story rather than an overhaul? Totally agree. Some folk seem to be willing this show to fail having not seen it. It's a great show potentially and just needs refining, which is what the previews are for. |
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Post by ceebee on Jun 27, 2021 11:00:42 GMT
I'm looking to book this for later in the year. Would those who have seen it recommend the moving seats, do you miss anything? Thanks The moving seat area was fun but not worth the premium price. I'll be seeing it next from the fixed stalls and I think I'll enjoy seeing it more. Being nosey, I was checking out the wings/view out to audience whilst rotated and immediately thought it was possibly more magical for those now at the very front of the stalls as the ballroom effectively elevates the stage level and brings them closer to the action. |
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Jun 27, 2021 11:15:27 GMT
I get the impression that most of the people in the thread who don't like how some of the characters are portrayed or think the story needs a total overall haven't actually seen it yet? I think those of us that have seen mostly think it needs a few tweaks scripts to bring more clarity to certain moments in the story rather than an overhaul? Totally agree. Some folk seem to be willing this show to fail having not seen it. It's a great show potentially and just needs refining, which is what the previews are for. Being disappointed something hasn’t gone the way you hoped is very different to ‘willing it to fail’. And if only the privileged few who have seen the show are allowed to post then most of the thread would have to be deleted! Play nice, people. |
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Post by ceebee on Jun 27, 2021 11:24:46 GMT
Totally agree. Some folk seem to be willing this show to fail having not seen it. It's a great show potentially and just needs refining, which is what the previews are for. Being disappointed something hasn’t gone the way you hoped is very different to ‘willing it to fail’. And if only the privileged few who have seen the show are allowed to post then most of the thread would have to be deleted! Play nice, people. But how can somebody be disappointed having yet to see the show? My point is that some people seem to want to see this show fail. In fairness they've been doing it for weeks and the discussion has continued regardless. I struggle a little with negative mindsets - no doubt the same will happen on the Phantom thread as we get closer to opening night and the naysayers and doom-mongers kick off the old vs new debate. Again. |
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Post by alece10 on Jun 27, 2021 11:33:12 GMT
Being disappointed something hasn’t gone the way you hoped is very different to ‘willing it to fail’. And if only the privileged few who have seen the show are allowed to post then most of the thread would have to be deleted! Play nice, people. But how can somebody be disappointed having yet to see the show? My point is that some people seem to want to see this show fail. In fairness they've been doing it for weeks and the discussion has continued regardless. I struggle a little with negative mindsets - no doubt the same will happen on the Phantom thread as we get closer to opening night and the naysayers and doom-mongers kick off the old vs new debate. Again. I made the same point 2 or 3 weeks ago on here (way before 1st preview) and was surprised that I mainly got shouted down rather than supported. But I will make my own decision in a couple of weeks time. |
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Jun 27, 2021 11:37:36 GMT
Being disappointed something hasn’t gone the way you hoped is very different to ‘willing it to fail’. And if only the privileged few who have seen the show are allowed to post then most of the thread would have to be deleted! Play nice, people. But how can somebody be disappointed having yet to see the show? My point is that some people seem to want to see this show fail. In fairness they've been doing it for weeks and the discussion has continued regardless. I struggle a little with negative mindsets - no doubt the same will happen on the Phantom thread as we get closer to opening night and the naysayers and doom-mongers kick off the old vs new debate. Again. Obviously the proof of the pudding is in the tasting, which not many have done yet. Till then we rely on other’s comments, yours included. But it’s possible to be disappointed about the direction a project is taking without knowing all the specific details… |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 11:40:51 GMT
Being disappointed something hasn’t gone the way you hoped is very different to ‘willing it to fail’. And if only the privileged few who have seen the show are allowed to post then most of the thread would have to be deleted! Play nice, people. But how can somebody be disappointed having yet to see the show? My point is that some people seem to want to see this show fail. In fairness they've been doing it for weeks and the discussion has continued regardless. I struggle a little with negative mindsets - no doubt the same will happen on the Phantom thread as we get closer to opening night and the naysayers and doom-mongers kick off the old vs new debate. Again. Disagreeing with your opinion/criticising something = doom-mongers Sorry but this view that criticism is bad and those voices should be silenced or are just 'haters' is petty and to be honest a bit dangerous. They are no less valid than anyone else. Promotional material is put out to attract people to a product, reviews are put out to sell a product. Its designed for people to form an opinion, having an opinion isn't a bad thing. We all make them on a daily basis about one product or service or another. People then form an opinion based on that information, not everyone is in the privileged position to see every single show. From the promotional information put out by the show itself, and the reviews from people on here (all telling similar stories in their own words) there are areas of concern and contradictions to what was promoted by the show. I don't want to see another show where being gay is used for a 'twist' or shock value, or another flamboyant gay character used for laughs or because that's the only way people seem to be able to portray gay people in musicals. We were promised better than that and so far nothing seems very progressive about it. |
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Post by Seriously on Jun 27, 2021 11:57:23 GMT
I think some people don't understand the difference between critique and criticism.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 27, 2021 12:06:53 GMT
I think some people don't understand the difference between critique and criticism. French? |
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Post by Seriously on Jun 27, 2021 12:25:52 GMT
I think some people don't understand the difference between critique and criticism. French? Google is your friend. |
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