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Post by bubblesmcgee on Jul 28, 2021 11:15:00 GMT
Also interesting that the critics were invited to the performance on the 18th that… now isn’t happening. Unless the evening is and it’s just us matinee folks who got bumped? |
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Post by elibal on Jul 28, 2021 12:30:50 GMT
Pretty random thing, but in Man's Man I thought the Queen said "He's Apollo's lamb" and I was scratching my head trying to figure out which Greek myth involved Apollo and a lamb until today I decided to check the lyrics and it turns out she says "He's a poor lost lamb".
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Post by Jon on Jul 28, 2021 18:36:42 GMT
I suspect Rebecca Kaine Burton has had enough of ALW rather than something more ominous. |
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Post by danb on Jul 28, 2021 19:20:54 GMT
Tabloid trash disguised as a Shenton editorial. He should be ashamed.
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Post by max on Jul 28, 2021 19:36:18 GMT
I suspect Rebecca Kaine Burton has had enough of ALW rather than something more ominous. This seems absolutely terrible from Shenton. For the first-mentioned creative you only have to search around Twitter to work out what the allegation is against the missing 'production team' member of that rural show and a forthcoming revival. If true, it's serious - in coded language, many are being quite bold about a reckoning. But.... For him to draw a parallel to someone from LW Theatres with that first case, and some notorious names from US entertainment..... does he want a lawsuit?! Innuendo is dangerous and damaging. So here is a phenomenon he could write about: It feels like the end of lockdown is leading many social media commentators to extremes, as they fear their lockdown captive audience going back to life and work and having less time for them! Anyway - Good wishes to Cinderella cast and team for when it returns. |
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Post by marob on Jul 28, 2021 19:59:32 GMT
But he’s saying that journalists should be asking more questions than they are and not just copying and pasting from press releases. I’d say it’s a fair enough point. He also could have added McKellen’s Hamlet and Chichester’s The Flock into the mix, as something a bit more serious has clearly gone on behind the scenes on those shows, despite what the bland PR-speak statements issued by the shows suggest.
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Post by Jon on Jul 28, 2021 20:15:26 GMT
But he’s saying that journalists should be asking more questions than they are and not just copying and pasting from press releases. I’d say it’s a fair enough point. He also could have added McKellen’s Hamlet and Chichester’s The Flock into the mix, as something a bit more serious has clearly gone on behind the scenes on those shows, despite what the bland PR-speak statements issued by the shows suggest. It was odd that he treated someone stepping down from their role as out of the blue or suspicious as some people do decide one day that they want to do something different and spend more time with their families and not some terrible behind the scenes. |
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Post by Seriously on Jul 28, 2021 20:19:38 GMT
I'm not sure theatre reviewers are meant to be investigative journalists.
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Post by d'James on Jul 28, 2021 20:47:49 GMT
I suspect Rebecca Kaine Burton has had enough of ALW rather than something more ominous. This seems absolutely terrible from Shenton. For the first-mentioned creative you only have to search around Twitter to work out what the allegation is against the missing 'production team' member of that rural show and a forthcoming revival. If true, it's serious - in coded language, many are being quite bold about a reckoning. But.... For him to draw a parallel to someone from LW Theatres with that first case, and some notorious names from US entertainment..... does he want a lawsuit?! Innuendo is dangerous and damaging. So here is a phenomenon he could write about: It feels like the end of lockdown is leading many social media commentators to extremes, as they fear their lockdown captive audience going back to life and work and having less time for them! Anyway - Good wishes to Cinderella cast and team for when it returns. I wish I hadn’t read this post while trying to go to sleep. I’ve been Googling and Twittering to no avail about your first paragraph. |
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Post by max on Jul 28, 2021 21:55:07 GMT
But he’s saying that journalists should be asking more questions than they are and not just copying and pasting from press releases. I’d say it’s a fair enough point. He also could have added McKellen’s Hamlet and Chichester’s The Flock into the mix, as something a bit more serious has clearly gone on behind the scenes on those shows, despite what the bland PR-speak statements issued by the shows suggest. If he's got clear evidence of activity that may lead to a criminal investigation that's one thing, but labelling everything that's 'unusual' as needing the lid ripped off in an expose is too much. For all I know there's been a staff fallout at my local branch of Sainsbury's. It's not their duty to make a statement on why there have been tensions behind the scenes. And if there's a notice to say the fridges are out of order, I'm not going to say "ahh, but what's REALLY behind this? We have a right to know the ins and outs of your business". You mention The Flock and McKellen Hamlet as others with unquestioned Press releases. When I looked at what 'The Flock' is about I could imagine that the script might be tested by the cast, and a lot of personal stories shared about race and identity - and that can be difficult and lead to more questioning of the work. There's no scandal there - it's called artistic work. If there is a scandal, anyone affected would be processing it with the management, their agent, and/or union - not Shenton. If Shenton wants to be more questioning, and not take things at face value, he might like to ask why Frances Barber was brought in as a replacement cast member on the McKellen Hamlet. When someone on Twitter wondered if Jeremy Corbyn would stand down as Labour leader, she tweeted: "Trots won't go til they're shot". [And this after the murder of Jo Cox!]. |
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Post by danb on Jul 29, 2021 9:03:08 GMT
As per in these situations (especially in showbiz circles in case it loses them a job further down the line) nobody wants to be the source of the tittle tattle or rumour. “It’s not my story to tell” is the usual line…no but you are happy to spread it and drop enough breadcrumbs to cause an internet firestorm and ruin peoples lives. All criminal activities should be reported to the police first and foremost for them to investigate (to a forensic degree) to decide if there is any wrong doing to address and prosecute. This is true in any workplace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 5:04:58 GMT
Not sure if Baz is hinting at they are working on it, backstage drama or what. He mentions anything goes and Hairspray as successfully opening in the West end but then says this about cinderella.
"Cinderella, meanwhile, is on an enforced hiatus, thanks (partly) to the pingdemic, and its cast will receive little in the way of wages during the shutdown."
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Post by FairyGodmother on Aug 1, 2021 13:00:41 GMT
The single version of Far Too Late sounds very different to the show version (I've just heard it on EPOS). It's like a very fast rumba, lots of percussion.
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Aug 2, 2021 10:21:33 GMT
The single version of Far Too Late sounds very different to the show version (I've just heard it on EPOS). It's like a very fast rumba, lots of percussion. It’s hideous. I bought it by mistake from Amazon before the album came out! |
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Post by danb on Aug 2, 2021 13:54:12 GMT
The initial responses all seemed to be ‘good but could be better’. This is their chance to do just that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 22:47:34 GMT
The single version of Far Too Late sounds very different to the show version (I've just heard it on EPOS). It's like a very fast rumba, lots of percussion. I caught it on EPOS accidentally. By far the best thing I've heard from this show so far, though I still wouldn't go any further than describing it as pleasantly bland. |
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Post by karloscar on Aug 3, 2021 7:36:24 GMT
Listening to the single I realised that Far Too Late is a virtual rip off No Matter What. You can almost sing one on top of the other. Ah well, no surprise there.
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Aug 3, 2021 8:10:21 GMT
The initial responses all seemed to be ‘good but could be better’. This is their chance to do just that. Personally, I think that’s being generous and responses have been much more mixed than “could be better” - leaning towards the negative. But, as you say, this is their chance to address that. I don’t have that much faith they’ll use the time wisely though, given how long the show had already been in and out of production/rehearsals/previews. |
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Post by danb on Aug 3, 2021 8:30:57 GMT
Listening to the cast recording is baffling at times. Why on earth VHB has been allowed to sing in that ridiculous voice is beyond me? By all means talk in it but at least sing properly!
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Post by fiyerorocher on Aug 3, 2021 8:32:09 GMT
Has anyone managed to puzzle out what Belleville actually is? We hear 'town', 'kingdom' and 'realm' in the show (possibly 'country'? not sure). Sebastian's formal title appears to be 'Prince Sebastian of Belleville', but it doesn't seem particularly impressive to be royalty of a place so small you can invite every woman living there 'post-puberty and pre-menopause' to one ball...
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Post by Oliver on Aug 3, 2021 8:41:09 GMT
Listening to the cast recording is baffling at times. Why on earth VHB has been allowed to sing in that ridiculous voice is beyond me? By all means talk in it but at least sing properly! I agree this was a mistake. My guess is she developed a comic persona for the part first and went from there. As a consequence she was burdened with having to sing in the same voice for the sake of consistency. It's true that the character is amusing on stage but I would prefer that the singing in a musical is prioritised above all else. I get the sense that she's a really good singer too, which makes it doubly frustrating. |
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Post by steve10086 on Aug 3, 2021 8:49:06 GMT
Has anyone managed to puzzle out what Belleville actually is? We hear 'town', 'kingdom' and 'realm' in the show (possibly 'country'? not sure). Sebastian's formal title appears to be 'Prince Sebastian of Belleville', but it doesn't seem particularly impressive to be royalty of a place so small you can invite every woman living there 'post-puberty and pre-menopause' to one ball... I get the feeling it’s best not to try to make sense of anything in this show. It’s just a shambles you are supposed to “go along with” (a bit like Love Never Dies in that respect). |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Aug 3, 2021 8:51:10 GMT
That's a good question. I think there's definitely a town with that name. I'm pretty sure it's in France, so not a country. I was thinking about it like an independent duchy (or I suppose kingdom, because they will have a King somewhere).
I think there must just be lots of little fairytale kingdoms about! Although unusually she didn't try to marry him off to a Princess from a different one.
I'm going to think about that at the same time as their illogical rules of succession.
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Post by MusicalTalk on Aug 3, 2021 8:53:59 GMT
Listening to the single I realised that Far Too Late is a virtual rip off No Matter What. You can almost sing one on top of the other. Ah well, no surprise there. It's also VERY close to HOW DOES A MOMENT LAST FOREVER from Beauty and the Beast. Again... no surprises there. |
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Post by Oliver on Aug 3, 2021 9:22:58 GMT
Listening to the single I realised that Far Too Late is a virtual rip off No Matter What. You can almost sing one on top of the other. Ah well, no surprise there. It's also VERY close to HOW DOES A MOMENT LAST FOREVER from Beauty and the Beast. Again... no surprises there. It's not close let alone very close. Yes, there is a passing similarity early on in the phrasing but so what? You can find these sorts of comparisons everywhere in music. A phrase is not a composition. You might as well accuse Bernstein of plagiarising Beethoven in "There's a place for us" from West Side Story (which would be equally ridiculous). I'm guessing from your "again... no surprises there" comment that you are one of the people who dismisses ALW is a plagiarist? You're wrong just as all the people who have accused other famous composers of plagiarism (Bernstein included) were. |
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