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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 11:54:34 GMT
Amelia Lily as Whatsername
Alexandra Burke as Deloris Van Cartier
Sam Bailey as Mama Morton
Rhydian Roberts as the Dentist
Matt Cardle as Huey Calhoun
Joe McElderry as Joseph
Rachel Adedeji as Mary Magdalene
Diana Vickers as Janet Weiss
Marcus Collins as Angel/Understudy Lola
Who next?
Two Shoes as Timon and Pumba?
Wagner as Miss Trunchbull?
Johnny Robinson as Eva Perron?
When will it end?? Why do X Factor flops think that theatre is a good way of restarting a failed career from pop music? Granted, some of them, actually do alright in their respective roles, but I feel it cheapens the promo for a show when it starts with the caption in the title of the thread.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Apr 8, 2016 11:57:04 GMT
Olivier winner Matt Henry on the voice!
Zoe Birkett, Darius Danesh, Will Young and Gareth Gates from Pop Idol (the entire top 4)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:01:13 GMT
In fairness, as you said, some of them do amazingly well in their respective roles. Of the ones mentioned, I have seen:
Alexandra Burke as Rachel Marron
Matt Cardle as Huey Calhoun
Marcus Collins as Angel/Understudy Lola
Matt Henry as Lola
Zoe Birkett as Lead Female Singer (Thriller)
And all of them were amazing in their respective roles, particularly both Matt's in their respective roles, who were simply stunning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:04:58 GMT
I totally agree, Matt Henry is incredible in that role. I believe that if they have some background in theatre before their respective talent show appearances then it certainly makes a huge impact.
I think the final straw for me was when I heard a radio advert for Rocky Horror yesterday describe the show as starring the "Pop Icon Diana Vickers"...
Icon? Pitch please! Whitney Houston, she ain't!
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Post by firefingers on Apr 8, 2016 12:07:13 GMT
Don't think we can really group Matt Henry in with them. Prior to The Voice he had done Avenue Q, The Lion King, Miss Saigon, Hair, Saturday Night Fever. He was a musical theatre performer going on The Voice, not a reality TV show person diversifying into theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:08:08 GMT
I too don't consider Matt Henry in the same league. I just mentioned him because someone else had prior.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:12:19 GMT
Don't think we can really group Matt Henry in with them. Prior to The Voice he had done Avenue Q, The Lion King, Miss Saigon, Hair, Saturday Night Fever. He was a musical theatre performer going on The Voice, not a reality TV show person diversifying into theatre. Exactly, he is a totally different story in my mind. He's earned his stripes, and consequently appears in these shows in his right, rather than being starry casting. The unsettling bit is when those who have chewed up and spat out by the Cowell money-making machine feel that it's "The next best thing". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:25:02 GMT
Isn't it because they're all generally told by the judges in those shows that they aren't good enough to be pop stars but they could always go into musicals so when the hits dry up or never materialise, that's the route they take.
Also, if we're including Matt Henry in that group do we also include the sainted Kerry Ellis?
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Post by theatre-turtle on Apr 8, 2016 12:27:47 GMT
Isn't it because they're all generally told by the judges in those shows that they aren't good enough to be pop stars but they could always go into musicals so when the hits dry up or never materialise, that's the route they take. Also, if we're including Matt Henry in that group do we also include the sainted Kerry Ellis? I agree they're in a separate category. What do we think of Kerry's appearance? I thought she really didn't do herself justice. It was weird for a bona fide star of musical theatre to be judged alongside amateurs like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:28:10 GMT
I am a massive fan of Kerry, but she was so damn stupid for going on that show. It was just embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:41:51 GMT
I am a massive fan of Kerry, but she was so damn stupid for going on that show. It was just embarrassing. Agreed. I'm still reeling that they didn't turn for her. But still, as it has been said, she never needed to do it. She set herself up for a fall. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 12:44:56 GMT
Also, on the Kerry note, one of the rules in those TV shows is you can't have management, you can't already have recording contracts etc... if they turned around, she would of been thrown out of the show anyway surely for breaking the rules?!
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Post by chinatoy on Apr 8, 2016 13:33:22 GMT
I don't think you can lump them all together like that. A number of them have continuing music careers, they don't just do MT so they aren't "restarting a failed pop career"
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Post by chinatoy on Apr 8, 2016 13:46:12 GMT
Work is work. If they are up to the job, I've no problem with any "talent search" person on a stage. Darius is excellent in "Funny Girl," and DJ14's list is right. Personally, I was just thinking that Louisa Johnson (assuming she can act) would make a gorgeous Cinderella for the Palladium. This! |
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Post by Mr Wallacio on Apr 8, 2016 13:53:42 GMT
Lloyd Daniels was also Joseph, and Ray Quinn was Danny in Grease. Him out of G4 was in Whistle Down The Wind. Shayne Ward was Stacee Jaxx. Brenda Edwards was Mama Morton and Killer Queen.
Can we say Dean John Wilson from BGT in Eternity, SFANW, Miss Atomic Bomb and Aladdin (I know it's not the same, he always wanted to do theatre anyway).
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Post by juliem on Apr 8, 2016 15:17:47 GMT
Samantha Barks, Jessie Buckley, Aoife someone who was in Chicago came from one of those let's cast a show shows, either Dorothys or Marias.
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Post by theatre-turtle on Apr 8, 2016 15:20:34 GMT
Samantha Barks, Jessie Buckley, Aoife someone who was in Chicago came from one of those let's cast a show shows, either Dorothys or Marias. I think these are a separate category too. The wonderful siobhan dillon also came from one of these shows |
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Post by Mr Wallacio on Apr 8, 2016 19:09:26 GMT
Samantha Barks, Jessie Buckley, Aoife someone who was in Chicago came from one of those let's cast a show shows, either Dorothys or Marias. I think these are a separate category too. The wonderful siobhan dillon also came from one of these shows Yeah you can't put them in the same boat since the goal of their shows was to end up in theatre anyway. X Factor was to be the next Michael Jackson/Madonna. |
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Post by Carly on Apr 8, 2016 20:16:59 GMT
Lloyd Daniels was also Joseph, and Ray Quinn was Danny in Grease. Him out of G4 was in Whistle Down The Wind. Shayne Ward was Stacee Jaxx. Brenda Edwards was Mama Morton and Killer Queen. Can we say Dean John Wilson from BGT in Eternity, SFANW, Miss Atomic Bomb and Aladdin (I know it's not the same, he always wanted to do theatre anyway). I saw Brenda Edwards in WWRY and thought she was great. She has a brilliant, storng voice. Ray Quinn was Warner in the Legally Blonde tour and I wasn't impressed with him it all... It's fine when they have talent and suit the role but sometimes you can kind of tell they are there as a 'name'. |
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Post by Stasia on Apr 9, 2016 9:52:48 GMT
As a person who had to choose actors for appearing in promo campaigns I don't see a big problem in this. These names are better known to the general public and they are supposed to help selling the show. Of course it's not how it always works...
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Post by talkstageytome on Apr 9, 2016 11:20:59 GMT
For me, when I pay to see a musical I want to see musical theatre actors appear. They spend years and years training in acting, singing and dancing, and when they leave drama school they are fully prepared for the job. Popstars from xfactor etc can be good (Matt Cardle was great in Memphis, Gareth Gates was a great Marius in Les Mis) but not always. They often have a pop sound not a musical theatre one, they're often not prepared for the demands of 8 shows a week, their presence often equates to a more concert-ish vibe for some audience members who just want to gawk at a celebrity. And I don't like the mentality of 'well, my pop career isn't taking off so I guess I'll do a musical instead.' because there are thousands of talented and passionate trained actors really to take on roles because they want to, and they are passionate about musical theatre, not because they see it as a back up option afforded to them by the overblown platform that gave us Wagner and Jedward. Yes, these talent shows do produce some fabulous singers, and some trained mt people have entered them before as well, but I don't think that appearing on a talent show via open audition, is really the same as devoting your teenage and early adult life to training in the field of musical theatre.
I know there are exceptions, but personally when I pay £30+ for a ticket, I want to be safe in the knowledge that the stars are going to be 100% up to the job. I don't want to see a great singer with 0 acting chops, mincing his way through a 2 1/2 hour show while the audience laughs obnoxiously at every remotely amusing line of dialogue spoken.
Can you tell I've been burned before?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 12:37:00 GMT
For me, when I pay to see a musical I want to see musical theatre actors appear. They spend years and years training in acting, singing and dancing, and when they leave drama school they are fully prepared for the job. Popstars from xfactor etc can be good (Matt Cardle was great in Memphis, Gareth Gates was a great Marius in Les Mis) but not always. They often have a pop sound not a musical theatre one, they're often not prepared for the demands of 8 shows a week, their presence often equates to a more concert-ish vibe for some audience members who just want to gawk at a celebrity. And I don't like the mentality of 'well, my pop career isn't taking off so I guess I'll do a musical instead.' because there are thousands of talented and passionate trained actors really to take on roles because they want to, and they are passionate about musical theatre, not because they see it as a back up option afforded to them by the overblown platform that gave us Wagner and Jedward. Yes, these talent shows do produce some fabulous singers, and some trained mt people have entered them before as well, but I don't think that appearing on a talent show via open audition, is really the same as devoting your teenage and early adult life to training in the field of musical theatre. I know there are exceptions, but personally when I pay £30+ for a ticket, I want to be safe in the knowledge that the stars are going to be 100% up to the job. I don't want to see a great singer with 0 acting chops, mincing his way through a 2 1/2 hour show while the audience laughs obnoxiously at every remotely amusing line of dialogue spoken. Can you tell I've been burned before? My sentiments entirely. |
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Post by kathryn on Apr 9, 2016 13:14:21 GMT
The thing is these shows are looking for singers, not recording artists. A hell of a lot of the applicants have probably been singing in amateur musical theatre productions prior to auditioning - some of them will even have trained a bit or even worked a bit prior.
It's not as cut and dried as 'these people wanted to be pop stars and used musical theatre as a back-up'. A lot of them just do it for the exposure - you'd have to be an idiot not to realise that the number of winners who have genuinely ended up with a pop career is tiny.
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Post by d'James on Apr 9, 2016 13:31:11 GMT
I don't tend to mind. Well I'm not sure how many I've seen actually.
I am a bit trepidatious about Alexandra Burke in Sister Act. I never saw her in The Bodyguard so can't comment on her acting - I'll give her a chance. I'm just not sure her tone of voice will suit the songs.
As for other ones like Marcus Collins currently, he's hardly being used as an advertising draw. He's having to work hard just like the rest of the Angels. Now whether you think he does a good job or not is another matter.
The main problem I would have with any celebrity, wherever they're from (Sheridan Smith is an example, Marti Pellow is the one I've experienced) would be if their fans just don't know how to behave or are just there for the star and don't care about the show or other performers.
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Post by lynette on Apr 9, 2016 14:16:18 GMT
Sheridan Smith isn't just a celebrity, is she? I count her as a proven musical actress. Wrong?
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