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Post by ceebee on Oct 12, 2020 22:32:52 GMT
Oh, impt note, click the email straight away, don't wait til 12pm. You go straight in to booking and/or queue when that email arrives.
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Post by princeton on Oct 12, 2020 22:35:44 GMT
The DMT website now says the performance times are:
Tuesday - Saturday 7.15pm
Saturday: 2.00pm
Sunday: 3.00pm
So presumably all Tuesday performances will appear tomorrow (though who knows?!)
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Post by ceebee on Oct 12, 2020 22:39:39 GMT
I have booked for the first night. I notice that although the seats are socially distanced to your left and right, the seats are grouped directly in front of each other. Will this not compromise social distancing? No - seat configuration has been re-racked with wider spacing. |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 12, 2020 22:40:55 GMT
The DMT website now says the performance times are: Tuesday - Saturday 7.15pm Saturday: 2.00pm Sunday: 3.00pm So presumably all Tuesday performances will appear tomorrow (though who knows?!) Some Tues perfs were held back as they knew JOJ would sell out quicker than AB. I would guess they'll release the rest tomorrow. |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 12, 2020 22:41:41 GMT
What are people’s thoughts on the distancing in place? Its fine - reconfigured seating. |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 12, 2020 22:42:41 GMT
Does anyone know if Bradley Jaden and Rob Houchen are going to be in it? Yes, they are in it. |
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Oct 12, 2020 22:58:46 GMT
Agreed... hence my concerns below. The seats are very close together. I have booked for the first night. I notice that although the seats are socially distanced to your left and right, the seats are grouped directly in front of each other. Will this not compromise social distancing? I was also surprised how many seats have been put on sale. I expected only alternate rows to be available. If this does still comply with social distancing it should be possible for more theatres to reopen. Perhaps there will be some kind of barrier between the rows though it would be difficult to maintain clear view and sound with something like that in place. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 23:16:41 GMT
Agreed... hence my concerns below. The seats are very close together. I was also surprised how many seats have been put on sale. I expected only alternate rows to be available. If this does still comply with social distancing it should be possible for more theatres to reopen. Perhaps there will be some kind of barrier between the rows though it would be difficult to maintain clear view and sound with something like that in place. Reconfigured rows, so just like every seating plan that has ever existed it isnt really accurate! Plus everyone is wearing masks, which means that 2m social distancing is not actually required. I really do despair about the extent to which people (Shenton etc) seem to be trying to find problems with this and reasons for it not to succeed, and assuming it is non-compliant when anyone with an ounce of common sense can work out that if it hadn't been assessed and certified as Covid-compliant then an organisation as big as DMT would not be doing it, as that would be the risk to their reputation. Shenton appears not to have engaged brain on anything except creating issues where there are none. God forbid people are actually trying to get theatre up and running again... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 23:20:53 GMT
An empty socially distant theatre looks safe - a full one with people queuing to get to their seats, eating, drinking, going to the loo etc - possibly less so. And that's before you get into the sense of privilege which comes with having spent £165 a ticket! A theatre enforcing everyone wearing masks (as the Palladium generally was on Sunday night) is about as safe as you are going to get anywhere that has any number of people and certainly much safer than a supermarket I would think, judging by mask levels in there. Anyone who is paranoid about someone in a mask walking past them for half a second to get to the loo is probably better off not going, as they'll be at far greater risk on their journey to the show than that. |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 13, 2020 0:26:37 GMT
All JOJ perfs now available including first couple of Tuesday perfs previously missing.
For those baulking at the layout or distancing, the answer is simple. Don't go.
The theatre is certified Covid compliant - if it still freaks you out then stay in your bubble and let the rest of us go without fear.
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Post by greeny11 on Oct 13, 2020 5:30:59 GMT
It is a valid point, but I am guessing if masks are enforced, that minimises the risk somewhat.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 13, 2020 6:03:00 GMT
I'm currently sitting on a London overground train on my way to work. I would estimate about 50% of the train, which is busy, are wearing a face mask or wearing it correctly. In a few minutes I will get to Barking when there will be a scramble to get off the train and up the stairs with absolutely no regard for social distancing. When I get to work I will spend 8 hours in closer contact with colleagues than I would like to be.
Do I feel safe? Absolutely not.
I have, so far been to the Bridge Theatre, Southwark Playhouse and the London Palladium. Everyone wearing face masks, keeping their distance and very organised entry and exit. They couldn't do more for your wellbeing.
Did I feel safe? Absolutely yes.
Just wanted to share this with anyone feeling a bit concerned about returning to the theatre.
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 13, 2020 6:23:33 GMT
Wow- has anyone read this "interview" (aka. Cammack PR exercise) on WhatsOnStage: www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/cameron-mackintosh-les-miserables-opening_52573.htmlCameron is not paying royalties to the original creatives for this show; he's got out of paying rent for the theatre (this confuses me, Delfont Mackintosh owns the Sondheim); and he's managed to make everyone take a pay cut, all so he can minimise his personal losses, it seems to me. His level of greed knows no bounds and honestly makes me sick. Full quote: |
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Post by Dr Tom on Oct 13, 2020 6:36:18 GMT
His level of greed knows no bounds and honestly makes me sick. Remember this isn't his personal money. This is produced by a private company responsible for keeping many people employed in which Mackintosh holds a stake. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 6:57:14 GMT
His level of greed knows no bounds and honestly makes me sick. Remember this isn't his personal money. This is produced by a private company responsible for keeping many people employed in which Mackintosh holds a stake. Exactly. People criticising commercial enterprises for trying to make money should really try to acquire some understanding of what doing business means before posting! And given Cameron himself most likely has some sort of stake in original production royalties and any profits from the rent you may find he personally isnt making anything from this... Yet again more people seem determined to create negativity around this for no reason. Given the number of people this will employ and the fact we are getting theatre back, it is absolutely baffling. |
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 13, 2020 7:01:06 GMT
His level of greed knows no bounds and honestly makes me sick. Remember this isn't his personal money. This is produced by a private company responsible for keeping many people employed in which Mackintosh holds a stake. Aren't the actors as much of an employee as any other person from his company? Why must their value be diminished- actors putting in good, honest work to deliver stellar shows nightly- to cover the losses that the producer/producing company should bear, given that the show is produced by, well, the producers? |
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Post by ceebee on Oct 13, 2020 7:10:34 GMT
Wow- has anyone read this "interview" (aka. Cammack PR exercise) on WhatsOnStage: www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/cameron-mackintosh-les-miserables-opening_52573.htmlCameron is not paying royalties to the original creatives for this show; he's got out of paying rent for the theatre (this confuses me, Delfont Mackintosh owns the Sondheim); and he's managed to make everyone take a pay cut, all so he can minimise his personal losses, it seems to me. His level of greed knows no bounds and honestly makes me sick. Full quote: The rent dodge is (ironically) to make the show viable (Rishi). Commercial landlords across the country are offering similar incentives as there are tax breaks attached. This is just sound business sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 7:14:18 GMT
Remember this isn't his personal money. This is produced by a private company responsible for keeping many people employed in which Mackintosh holds a stake. Aren't the actors as much of an employee as any other person from his company? Why must their value be diminished- actors putting in good, honest work to deliver stellar shows nightly- to cover the losses that the producer/producing company should bear, given that the show is produced by, well, the producers? He's talking about the famous actors in the cast if that quote you provided is accurate - in other words, Matt Lucas and Alfie Boe took a pay cut from salaries that were presumably considerably larger than everyone else's, in order to ensure that all the other actors and production staff (who you seem happy to ignore) can be paid as much as possible while covering the running costs as any business would do. Possibly CHF and the other less famous leads took a bit of a cut, but all voluntary so no issue. Doesn't sound as if the production company is going to make a huge profit out of this. Indeed, there is nothing about that whatsoever, and it seems very likely to me that they are just going to be covering costs given it is deliberately a short run. Please read the quote properly rather than taking it out of context to create entirely unwarranted criticism. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 7:23:28 GMT
Wow- has anyone read this "interview" (aka. Cammack PR exercise) on WhatsOnStage: www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/cameron-mackintosh-les-miserables-opening_52573.htmlCameron is not paying royalties to the original creatives for this show; he's got out of paying rent for the theatre (this confuses me, Delfont Mackintosh owns the Sondheim); and he's managed to make everyone take a pay cut, all so he can minimise his personal losses, it seems to me. His level of greed knows no bounds and honestly makes me sick. Full quote: To be fair, he says “our leading artists”, not the entire cast. I’m assuming he’s referring to the likes of Ball, Boe and Lucas, who it’s probably fair to say aren’t struggling too much financially right now compared to those lower down the acting food chain. If they can afford to do it and are happy to do it (which presumably they are, otherwise they could have turned it down), great. It allows a show to go ahead that provides employment for plenty of others who’ll presumably be earning a fair salary, and cheers up audiences. |
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 13, 2020 7:25:40 GMT
Aren't the actors as much of an employee as any other person from his company? Why must their value be diminished- actors putting in good, honest work to deliver stellar shows nightly- to cover the losses that the producer/producing company should bear, given that the show is produced by, well, the producers? He's talking about the famous actors in the cast if that quote you provided is accurate - in other words, Matt Lucas and Alfie Boe took a pay cut from salaries that were presumably considerably larger than everyone else's, in order to ensure that all the other actors and production staff (who you seem happy to ignore) can be paid as much as possible while covering the running costs as any business would do. Possibly CHF and the other less famous leads took a bit of a cut, but all voluntary so no issue. Doesn't sound as if the production company is going to make a huge profit out of this. Indeed, there is nothing about that whatsoever, and it seems very likely to me that they are just going to be covering costs given it is deliberately a short run. Please read the quote properly rather than taking it out of context to create entirely unwarranted criticism. I've provided the link to the article if you doubt the accuracy of my quote, which I assure you was done by simple copy & paste, after reading the quote properly  Of course it's "all voluntary" otherwise they wouldn't be hired but no one says no to Cammack in the industry Apparently I am happy to ignore the rest of the cast who "can be paid as much as possible" (where did you find that quote?) but I am simply pointing out that for every concession his PR people are willing to admit to the public there are dozens more left unsaid or forbidden to mention. Call it reading between the lines, rather than taking Cameron's PR manoeuvres word for word like you are happy to do so Enjoy your show! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 7:26:04 GMT
Oops, sorry poster J - messages crossed!
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Post by ceebee on Oct 13, 2020 7:38:36 GMT
Why are people betchin about something so joyous and wonderful? Take off your misery masks and cynical shades and try seeing the world in a better light. This production is progress and sure as hell beats dark theatres.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 7:45:55 GMT
Oops, sorry poster J - messages crossed! Not at all, you said it better than I did! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 7:51:31 GMT
He's talking about the famous actors in the cast if that quote you provided is accurate - in other words, Matt Lucas and Alfie Boe took a pay cut from salaries that were presumably considerably larger than everyone else's, in order to ensure that all the other actors and production staff (who you seem happy to ignore) can be paid as much as possible while covering the running costs as any business would do. Possibly CHF and the other less famous leads took a bit of a cut, but all voluntary so no issue. Doesn't sound as if the production company is going to make a huge profit out of this. Indeed, there is nothing about that whatsoever, and it seems very likely to me that they are just going to be covering costs given it is deliberately a short run. Please read the quote properly rather than taking it out of context to create entirely unwarranted criticism. I've provided the link to the article if you doubt the accuracy of my quote, which I assure you was done by simple copy & paste, after reading the quote properly Of course it's "all voluntary" otherwise they wouldn't be hired but no one says no to Cammack in the industry Apparently I am happy to ignore the rest of the cast who "can be paid as much as possible" (where did you find that quote?) but I am simply pointing out that for every concession his PR people are willing to admit to the public there are dozens more left unsaid or forbidden to mention. Call it reading between the lines, rather than taking Cameron's PR manoeuvres word for word like you are happy to do so Enjoy your show! Again, please read - I was including all the backstage staff who you seemed to have forgotten about entirely. There are many, many people who will need to be paid for this show to happen at all. And being paid as much as possible is just a fact of life in the current circumstances - many people in all walks of life have taken pay cuts and pay freezes due to the current circumstances, that is just business. Any expectation that people will continue to be paid at pre-pandemic levels is living on another planet at present. Enabling jobs to continue so people can earn a wage at all is far more important. And if you think the likes of Boe and Lucas wouldn't have the pull to say no to Cameron Mackintosh then I think you really have put him on a ridiculously high pedestal that isn't justified in the slightest. Of course the press release doesn't give every single detail, nothing like that will ever tell the whole story. But neither does your unnecessary negativity, which is all assumptions in itself and a twisting of the words that are there which is entirely unsubstantiated. In the current times, I do have to question why on earth you are trying to create difficulties when the industry is facing enough of them as it is. |
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 13, 2020 8:00:34 GMT
Why are people betchin about something so joyous and wonderful? Take off your misery masks and cynical shades and try seeing the world in a better light. This production is progress and sure as hell beats dark theatres. 😂😂😂 Les Mis is one of my favourite pieces of theatre and I’m just as happy as any other that its music and story can bring joy and wonder and work opportunities to hundreds of people for 6 weeks, but I am also aware that Cammack is NOT the shining saviour of the UK arts as he tries so very hard to portray himself to be, releasing bits of PR left right and centre when it suits his business interests, keeping mum when he can’t spin things to his business advantage (i.e. the entire past half year). Maybe Cameron’s moves are just that much more transparent through my “misery masks and cynical shades”? (best laugh all month, thank you!) I’ll continue to appreciate the artistry of theatre while keeping a realistic worldview on the business side of the industry. |
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