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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 10:23:24 GMT
Oh lordy. Maybe I should slide over to the unpopular opinions thread but I have never 'got' the appeal of Grammer, even before you know he was a Trump supporter.
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Post by wickedgrin on Nov 16, 2018 10:37:50 GMT
Kelsey Grammer was in Big Fish at The Other Palace - I was very underwhelmed by his performance.
The show was not a hit despite his presence and barely sold out this small theatre. Has he really big box office appeal to justify the prices? Can he sing the role?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 10:44:52 GMT
Oh lordy. Maybe I should slide over to the unpopular opinions thread but I have never 'got' the appeal of Grammer, even before you know he was a Trump supporter. Awwww, poor Kelsey. He probably only just wants to Make La Mancha Great Again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 13:07:44 GMT
I love this musical and it is very operatic in size and intensity of emotion but I would prefer to see a singer/actress as Aldonza rather than an opera singer.
I don't want to hear beautiful arias from Aldonza. i want her to sound and growl like a trucker.
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Post by sf on Nov 16, 2018 17:40:24 GMT
Oh lordy. Maybe I should slide over to the unpopular opinions thread but I have never 'got' the appeal of Grammer, even before you know he was a Trump supporter.
I liked him in Big Fish, but he doesn't have the voice for this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 17:42:33 GMT
Oh lordy. Maybe I should slide over to the unpopular opinions thread but I have never 'got' the appeal of Grammer, even before you know he was a Trump supporter.
I liked him in Big Fish, but he doesn't have the voice for this.
I was going to say, but having only seen him in La Cage I didn't feel qualified to say...but this does need a capitol S Singer really. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 18:10:42 GMT
It'll be more like 'The Possible Scream'...
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Post by ali973 on Nov 17, 2018 10:22:10 GMT
Oh lordy. Maybe I should slide over to the unpopular opinions thread but I have never 'got' the appeal of Grammer, even before you know he was a Trump supporter. Same. I really don't get it. And I severely disliked him prior to Trump because he's made his views very public back when people still had shame. To co-star in a Finding Neverland is fine..I thought he was completely unnecessary in Big Fish (I would have preferred one Edward Bloom)..but this is well over his capacity. With that score, I really need someone who can sing it. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 17, 2018 10:36:19 GMT
50 performances of this will be a mighty tough sell. I am genuinely intrigued as to the thought processes that came in the run up to taking the decision to programme this particular piece.
It doesn't have much, if any, name recognition in the UK. I can't find reference to any significant professional revival here - just the original West End version in 1968 (253 performances)
It is loved in the US - very long original run on Broadway and many revivals/tours. But it has never found favour in the UK.
So why, out of all the musicals they could have considered, did they land on one with a tiny band (no strings - just small ensemble of wind and brass with guitar and percussion), relatively small chorus contribution and next to know UK awareness?
I thought the reason for using the resources of ENO and the Coliseum was to give musicals a chance to have the resources that only a major space/company can afford.
Oh to see the minutes from those planning meetings...
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Post by n1david on Nov 17, 2018 10:41:28 GMT
i wonder what happened that Bryn Terfel was involved with this and no longer seems to be... his name would have shifted a few tickets (like me for example, but no way on the current cast)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 10:49:35 GMT
Well Sheena Easton played Dulcinea in a Broadway revival back in the 90s. She might have enjoyed being back in London.
Alternatively, oooh it's a long way from Wakefield 'ere in La Mancha. Just saying....
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Post by jek on Nov 17, 2018 11:02:25 GMT
Danielle de Niese was very good in the London Symphony Orchestra Wonderful Town last year.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 18, 2018 8:48:00 GMT
5. So why, out of all the musicals they could have considered, did they land on one with a tiny band (no strings - just small ensemble of wind and brass with guitar and percussion), relatively small chorus contribution and next to know UK awareness? I thought the reason for using the resources of ENO and the Coliseum was to give musicals a chance to have the resources that only a major space/company can afford. Oh to see the minutes from those planning meetings... I was listening to it on Spotify and thought it sounds thin and not a valid reason for EN0’s resources. I assumed Spotify had selected a budget recording for me to listen to Thanks for clearing it up. You’re right sounds like an odd choice. I wonder if we are going to get new orchestrations ? |
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Post by schuttep on Nov 19, 2018 10:18:20 GMT
I love this musical and it is very operatic in size and intensity of emotion but I would prefer to see a singer/actress as Aldonza rather than an opera singer. I don't want to hear beautiful arias from Aldonza. i want her to sound and growl like a trucker. I totally agree. After all she was "born in a ditch". Aldonza, that is, not Danielle. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 23:13:00 GMT
I love this musical and it is very operatic in size and intensity of emotion but I would prefer to see a singer/actress as Aldonza rather than an opera singer. I don't want to hear beautiful arias from Aldonza. i want her to sound and growl like a trucker. I totally agree. After all she was "born in a ditch". Aldonza, that is, not Danielle. Definitely and it's one of the toughest roles for a woman, the vocal range but the emotion. When she appears it's men treating her as a piece of meat and fighting them off. The second big number is after the rape. To sing these as beautiful arias would be distracting for me. As stand alone in a concert sing it beautifully I would love it but for the narrative of the show, I am not your lady, i am not any kind of lady. (All male cast anyone? It is set in a prison/imagination after all) |
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Post by groupbooker on Nov 29, 2018 1:26:50 GMT
There was a film version with Peter O'Toole as the Don Q and Sophia Loren as Aldonza. The only time I have seen the "show" in the UK.
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Post by theatrenewbie on Jan 31, 2019 10:56:47 GMT
Cassidy Jansen to alternate the roles of Aldonza/ dulcinea. And Nicholas lyndhurst to play innkeeper. For west revival of man of La Mancha
According to Facebook, and Instagram and ENO
Your welcome
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Post by theatrenewbie on Jan 31, 2019 10:58:22 GMT
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jan 31, 2019 11:07:27 GMT
It gets crazier
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Post by jgblunners on Jan 31, 2019 11:46:39 GMT
Wait so is Aldonza/Dulcinea a legit soprano role or a belty MT role? If Cassidy has been cast I’m inclined to think the latter in which case De Niese is surely terribly miscast?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 31, 2019 11:56:19 GMT
Are the producers wanting to file for bankruptcy?
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Post by theatrenewbie on Feb 20, 2019 10:10:57 GMT
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Post by wickedgrin on Feb 20, 2019 10:40:10 GMT
Well a quick check on the ENO website and virtually NO tickets have been sold for this! Ticket prices in the stalls and Dress £125 £75 £65 £50 - more at weekends top price £150.
Show opens in a couple of months - end of April. I love musical theatre but the choice of show does not appeal and the casting of Kelsey Grammer is underwhelming. I saw him in the musical Big Fish at The Other Palace and his performance was very average IMO and his name could not even sell out that small venue!
The producers must be having sleepless nights after constantly refreshing the booking website and seeing the lack of sales!
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 20, 2019 11:43:34 GMT
I would be interested in seeing La Mancha but I haven't really enjoyed any of these musicals at ENO... Put it on at southwark with a different cast, charge me 20 squid and then I would be happily booking
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Feb 20, 2019 11:59:11 GMT
I was deterred from ever going to the London Coliseum again when in summer 2017 seeing Bat Out Of Hell on a hot day they refused to allow me to take in the packet of sandwiches and fruit juice I had bought. Showed the M&S receipt when the security chap said it was due to an alcohol ban but he still refused.
I did succumb for Kiss me Kate for a much-reduced price on a front row seat.
Carousel did well there because of the star casting esp. Alfie Boe but that won't work with Kelsey Grammer. Their policy appears to be to charge opera prices for musical theatre. No chance
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