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Post by showtoones on Apr 3, 2019 19:15:37 GMT
I still think Joseph will go there for a limited holiday run before touring
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 3, 2019 21:21:45 GMT
I still think Joseph will go there for a limited holiday run before touring Nope. It won’t. |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 21:30:08 GMT
I still think Joseph will go there for a limited holiday run before touring Nope. It won’t. is that as in Waitress will still be there so it can't, or another show will be in there? |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 3, 2019 21:33:07 GMT
is that as in Waitress will still be there so it can't, or another show will be in there? Joseph is going on tour after the Palladium. Not loving to another theatre. A couple of other shows are vying for the Adelphi and Waitress won’t last until October. |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 21:35:38 GMT
is that as in Waitress will still be there so it can't, or another show will be in there? Joseph is going on tour after the Palladium. Not loving to another theatre. A couple of other shows are vying for the Adelphi and Waitress won’t last until October. Pretty Woman has been willing Waitress' death since it opened, they must be thrilled. |
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Post by d'James on Apr 3, 2019 21:38:24 GMT
Do we think it’ll last until July?
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 3, 2019 21:40:16 GMT
Joseph is going on tour after the Palladium. Not loving to another theatre. A couple of other shows are vying for the Adelphi and Waitress won’t last until October. Pretty Woman has been willing Waitress' death since it opened, they must be thrilled. Pretty Woman, Anastasia (go figure..) and Groundhog Day all want that theatre. |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 21:42:29 GMT
Pretty Woman has been willing Waitress' death since it opened, they must be thrilled. Pretty Woman, Anastasia (go figure..) and Groundhog Day all want that theatre. i wanna see Anastasia but it just feels a bit risky on the West End as the film and story isn't as well known here. They'd have to market it so well. Pretty Woman or Groundhog I am so here for! |
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 3, 2019 21:43:25 GMT
Could it still close in May when Kat leaves? It’s not impossible is it?
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 21:46:37 GMT
Could it still close in May when Kat leaves? It’s not impossible is it? it would have to announce in the next few weeks. |
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Post by greeny11 on Apr 3, 2019 21:50:37 GMT
It was pretty well sold tonight and all 3 levels were open.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 21:55:09 GMT
It was pretty well sold tonight and all 3 levels were open. well that's good to know! I'd be more concerned about Saturday night though, where the Dress and Stalls are only about half full. For a show so close to its opening date, that's really sad to see. I do feel for the cast as it's not nice to see levels closed or low numbers of audience, especially this early in a run. I'm surprised though, as it's such a long runner on Broadway. |
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Post by musicalmarge on Apr 3, 2019 21:59:24 GMT
It was pretty well sold tonight and all 3 levels were open. well that's good to know! I'd be more concerned about Saturday night though, where the Dress and Stalls are only about half full. For a show so close to its opening date, that's really sad to see. I do feel for the cast as it's not nice to see levels closed or low numbers of audience, especially this early in a run. I'm surprised though, as it's such a long runner on Broadway. Some shows work on Broadway and not on the West End and vice versa. A whole plethora of reasons why - social connection, wrong theatre, casting, ticket prices, marketing, word of mouth, connection to composer/film/book, musical style, genre, class issues, time of year, competition in that season and so on.... |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 3, 2019 22:01:21 GMT
well that's good to know! I'd be more concerned about Saturday night though, where the Dress and Stalls are only about half full. For a show so close to its opening date, that's really sad to see. I do feel for the cast as it's not nice to see levels closed or low numbers of audience, especially this early in a run. I'm surprised though, as it's such a long runner on Broadway. Some shows work on Broadway and not on the West End and vice versa. A whole plethora of reasons why - social connection, wrong theatre, casting, ticket prices, marketing, word of mouth, connection to composer/film/book, musical style, genre, class issues, time of year, competition in that season and so on.... actually I'm glad you listed those, as most of them are relevant to this production so there you go. 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 23:54:10 GMT
Potentially just about, if you took it as a week-by-week running costs thing, but not if you factor in everything else required like paying back investors, marketing etc. And looking at an open-ended run, producers would need to see more return than that to risk keeping going. While dynamic pricing pushes prices up at performances a show can sell easily, it also helps the overall weekly take considerably. That's why we have fewer shows flopping quickly now, as cashflow can be improved far more quickly than the old days. Waitress would have had a big marketing spend. I'd be interested to know how investors get paid back as you hear about shows having recouped their outlay and then they are turning a profit. Some shows must have a very high running cost and even longer running shows could have some loss making weeks. I agree that dynamic pricing does improve weekly take and has helped make more shows successful. I wonder if a show has ever replaced a star name who was on a big salary with a lesser known name to save money that way and hope the house takings don't drop by as much as the salary saving. |
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 4, 2019 0:27:37 GMT
It was pretty well sold tonight and all 3 levels were open. well that's good to know! I'd be more concerned about Saturday night though, where the Dress and Stalls are only about half full. For a show so close to its opening date, that's really sad to see. I do feel for the cast as it's not nice to see levels closed or low numbers of audience, especially this early in a run. I'm surprised though, as it's such a long runner on Broadway. True it’s a long runner on broadway, but that is in a 1,000 capacity theatre, and even that hasn’t been at full capacity since the first few months - and honestly, I think it might have closed already if they hadn’t had bigger names come in which really boosted the box office - like Sara Bareilles, Jason Mraz Kat McPhee. Waitress woulda done great in a 1,000ish capacity theatre over here but hey ho, I think we’ve flogged this point to death, or at least I know have, sorry 😆. I’m just annoyed. Although I do think the show works really well in the Adelphi so that’s a positive!! I don’t know where you’re getting that the stalls and dress circles have only been half full on sat nights from though, because they’ve been pretty packed. FWIW, my sis and I saw Waitress this past Sat night and the theatre was near full. We pitched up at the box office 45 mins before curtains up and there wasn’t a whole lot left. Maybe 30/40 seats. It’s been near full the other sat nights as well. The struggle is to try and fill a 1,500 seat theatre midweek, early midweek especially. If Waitress is struggling to fill the Adelphi (and with good reviews) I cant see Pretty Woman, Groundhog Day or Anastasia faring much better tbh, although I think Pretty Woman def has the best chance given it’s familiarity. |
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 4, 2019 0:45:56 GMT
Potentially just about, if you took it as a week-by-week running costs thing, but not if you factor in everything else required like paying back investors, marketing etc. And looking at an open-ended run, producers would need to see more return than that to risk keeping going. While dynamic pricing pushes prices up at performances a show can sell easily, it also helps the overall weekly take considerably. That's why we have fewer shows flopping quickly now, as cashflow can be improved far more quickly than the old days. Waitress would have had a big marketing spend. I'd be interested to know how investors get paid back as you hear about shows having recouped their outlay and then they are turning a profit. Some shows must have a very high running cost and even longer running shows could have some loss making weeks. I agree that dynamic pricing does improve weekly take and has helped make more shows successful. I wonder if a show has ever replaced a star name who was on a big salary with a lesser known name to save money that way and hope the house takings don't drop by as much as the salary saving. From what I’ve heard, the Weisslers are notoriously tight 😄 so I don’t think the marketing spend will have been that big! There hasn’t been a whole lot of marketing from what I’ve seen, aside from lots of posters at tube stations! Talking of marketing, the main cast were all doing a big photo shoot yesterday, all in their waitress get up. I wonder what that was for?! |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 4, 2019 6:52:56 GMT
well that's good to know! I'd be more concerned about Saturday night though, where the Dress and Stalls are only about half full. For a show so close to its opening date, that's really sad to see. I do feel for the cast as it's not nice to see levels closed or low numbers of audience, especially this early in a run. I'm surprised though, as it's such a long runner on Broadway. True it’s a long runner on broadway, but that is in a 1,000 capacity theatre, and even that hasn’t been at full capacity since the first few months - and honestly, I think it might have closed already if they hadn’t had bigger names come in which really boosted the box office - like Sara Bareilles, Jason Mraz Kat McPhee. Waitress woulda done great in a 1,000ish capacity theatre over here but hey ho, I think we’ve flogged this point to death, or at least I know have, sorry 😆. I’m just annoyed. Although I do think the show works really well in the Adelphi so that’s a positive!! I don’t know where you’re getting that the stalls and dress circles have only been half full on sat nights from though, because they’ve been pretty packed. FWIW, my sis and I saw Waitress this past Sat night and the theatre was near full. We pitched up at the box office 45 mins before curtains up and there wasn’t a whole lot left. Maybe 30/40 seats. It’s been near full the other sat nights as well. The struggle is to try and fill a 1,500 seat theatre midweek, early midweek especially. If Waitress is struggling to fill the Adelphi (and with good reviews) I cant see Pretty Woman, Groundhog Day or Anastasia faring much better tbh, although I think Pretty Woman def has the best chance given it’s familiarity. You do know that because a theatre is ‘near full’ doesn’t mean those people have paid right? There are many secret free ticket schemes theatres use to fill seats , giving them to nurses, unemployed etc. It’s pretty common practise with shows struggling. |
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Post by sparky5000 on Apr 4, 2019 11:49:14 GMT
True it’s a long runner on broadway, but that is in a 1,000 capacity theatre, and even that hasn’t been at full capacity since the first few months - and honestly, I think it might have closed already if they hadn’t had bigger names come in which really boosted the box office - like Sara Bareilles, Jason Mraz Kat McPhee. Waitress woulda done great in a 1,000ish capacity theatre over here but hey ho, I think we’ve flogged this point to death, or at least I know have, sorry 😆. I’m just annoyed. Although I do think the show works really well in the Adelphi so that’s a positive!! I don’t know where you’re getting that the stalls and dress circles have only been half full on sat nights from though, because they’ve been pretty packed. FWIW, my sis and I saw Waitress this past Sat night and the theatre was near full. We pitched up at the box office 45 mins before curtains up and there wasn’t a whole lot left. Maybe 30/40 seats. It’s been near full the other sat nights as well. The struggle is to try and fill a 1,500 seat theatre midweek, early midweek especially. If Waitress is struggling to fill the Adelphi (and with good reviews) I cant see Pretty Woman, Groundhog Day or Anastasia faring much better tbh, although I think Pretty Woman def has the best chance given it’s familiarity. You do know that because a theatre is ‘near full’ doesn’t mean those people have paid right? There are many secret free ticket schemes theatres use to fill seats , giving them to nurses, unemployed etc. It’s pretty common practise with shows struggling. For sure I know that, but I don’t obviously know the extent that theatres are doing it at the moment, including Waitress. You’re obviously more in the know about this than we are! |
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Post by iamamazing on Apr 4, 2019 16:40:42 GMT
I really want this show to do well over here I come from a small town and whenever people by me are looking for show recommendations I say waitress and people ask me what is it about. I have to exsplain it to them, but they end up choosing shows like lion king, or phantom or Mamma Mia. I really want this show to have success over here I think it will take time. And I agree they need to lower the ticket prices. I'm going to dayseat next time I'm up. As I love this show, and I think it will do a good year or 2 at least then head out on tour.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 16:43:10 GMT
Indeed, the fact that the online seating plans are changing over each 48 hour period from huge availability to sold out Stalls and Circle does make you think this is being heavily papered or sold at a knock down price on the day.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Apr 4, 2019 16:46:23 GMT
Haven't seen any papering for it yet- possibly industry comps I imagine!
This show still isn't even discounting at the TKTS booth, it's little things that could add up to another few months for the show, but they don't seem to be doing them!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 16:51:56 GMT
I mean, they are filling at at last minute SOMEHOW. Can't believe it's all people walking down the Strand. There is really pretty dramatic dynamic pricing in Royal Circle (back of which down to 20 odd quid) - that's how I saw it.
Anyway, some of these shows don't like to discount so early on to save face. Then suddenly discounts are available everywhere. I predict that will happen here. Recently, Strictly Ballroom was like this. As was Made In Dagenham.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Apr 4, 2019 16:53:03 GMT
Haven't seen any papering for it yet- possibly industry comps I imagine! This show still isn't even discounting at the TKTS booth, it's little things that could add up to another few months for the show, but they don't seem to be doing them! which leads back to the behind the scenes issues with stubborn producers not wanting to admit their show needs some help to save face. |
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Post by jgblunners on Apr 4, 2019 16:54:40 GMT
If it was doing a TodayTix Lottery/Rush, I would've seen it by now. Many shows offer tickets via that method from opening, so I don't see how it would damage reputation or lead people to think they need to shift tickets...
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