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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 2, 2019 15:01:51 GMT
I bet an AWFUL lot of people just buy the double though, rather than battling their way to another bar.
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Post by danb on Mar 2, 2019 15:06:21 GMT
I’m beginning to smell ‘outrage’ in the air again...
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Post by ensembleswings on Mar 2, 2019 15:08:14 GMT
It's only the foyer bar that's a doubles only bar, anyone wanting a single gets redirected to the circle bar or the stalls bar if the house is open.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 15:33:57 GMT
Many restaurant, hotel and theare bars are doubles only. Hospitality relies on a guarenteed income to survive, and this is just another tool in the arsenal. Just a musing I had in a chat with another board member; why on earth isn’t Sheridan Smith taking over in this instead of doing Joseph? All of the people defending singing through acting etc over on the Joseph thread; this is a prime example of where her lovely but limited voice could shine. Her SUTBM would be up there with Dame Judi’s ‘Send in the Clowns’. Too pricey for the Weisslers? I did mention Sheridan as an option to open this before KMP was cast and the considered opinion on here was that her voice wasn't right for the show's score. I did think she would have been right big profile, age, I could imagine her playing a brow beaten character too as she has done so well in many TV dramas, |
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Post by danb on Mar 2, 2019 15:45:10 GMT
Many restaurant, hotel and theare bars are doubles only. Hospitality relies on a guarenteed income to survive, and this is just another tool in the arsenal. Just a musing I had in a chat with another board member; why on earth isn’t Sheridan Smith taking over in this instead of doing Joseph? All of the people defending singing through acting etc over on the Joseph thread; this is a prime example of where her lovely but limited voice could shine. Her SUTBM would be up there with Dame Judi’s ‘Send in the Clowns’. Too pricey for the Weisslers? I did mention Sheridan as an option to open this before KMP was cast and the considered opinion on here was that her voice wasn't right for the show's score. I did think she would have been right big profile, age, I could imagine her playing a brow beaten character too as she has done so well in many TV dramas, I suspect I may have been one of those disagreeing with you before seeing the show, but despite KMP’s vocals being great, what it was missing was ‘acting’. |
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Post by helso1 on Mar 2, 2019 16:10:28 GMT
Hi! Just a quick seating question I can get a seat in the dress circle b34 for next week. It looks to be restricted, I just wondered if anyone had sat in there for this production and how the view was? Theatremonkey site has it listed red. Just wanted to check it wasn't crazy restricted. Many thanks x I too sat on the other side in B6 which was fine. Excellent thank you! Think I’ll go for it! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 2, 2019 16:27:59 GMT
I’m beginning to smell ‘outrage’ in the air again... Hopefully it might mask the stench of faux “pie” |
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Post by No. on Mar 2, 2019 17:07:29 GMT
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Mar 2, 2019 18:44:05 GMT
That sounds incredibly unnecessary. |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 2, 2019 19:22:02 GMT
That sounds incredibly unnecessary. I think it's necessary to have a west end recording of all shows that transfer. Why should it only be a Broadway recording? |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Mar 2, 2019 19:42:05 GMT
That sounds incredibly unnecessary. I think it's necessary to have a west end recording of all shows that transfer. Why should it only be a Broadway recording? I'd normally agree but I suppose I let the casting cloud my opinion. If the cast had more UK talent I'd be more inclined to want a recording, especially if there were some changes to the score. I guess the show just doesn't seem very different in its transfer here for a recording to seem necessary. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 2, 2019 20:02:39 GMT
That sounds incredibly unnecessary. You know that you have the option not to buy or stream it, right? In the case that nobody is requesing your money or effort in order to make this album, the only unnecessary thing here is your comment. |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Mar 2, 2019 22:06:34 GMT
That sounds incredibly unnecessary. You know that you have the option not to buy or stream it, right? In the case that nobody is requesing your money or effort in order to make this album, the only unnecessary thing here is your comment. I know I'd just rather they make one later down the line when there's a different cast. I'm not saying there won't be people out there that won't enjoy it or shouldn't enjoy it but I'm just personally disinterested and find it unnecessary considering how similar it will likely be to the original (and how disappointed I've been by the recent London Cast Recordings). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 1:31:01 GMT
I did mention Sheridan as an option to open this before KMP was cast and the considered opinion on here was that her voice wasn't right for the show's score. I did think she would have been right big profile, age, I could imagine her playing a brow beaten character too as she has done so well in many TV dramas, I suspect I may have been one of those disagreeing with you before seeing the show, but despite KMP’s vocals being great, what it was missing was ‘acting’. People rightly think of a vocal range required for a score and Sheridan is probably in a lower range than that required for the score. I hadn't heard many of the songs when I suggested Sheridan, I was thinking of her profile and marketability as well as being an acceptable age to play the role. I haven't seen the show but from the film, I'd imagine that acting would be a key part of the requirement as it's not a sung through show or a song and dance show. Maybe the producers are happy to overlook KMcP's acting given that she has a great voice and can belt out the songs. Their rationale may be that the audience wants to hear the numbers sung superbly so they are less likely to moan if the acting comes up a bit short. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 5:42:47 GMT
I would appreciate the opinion of a qualified lawyer, but having done a little research this morning, surely The Licensing Act 2003 (Mandatory Licensing Conditions) Order 2010 applies. I am not a lawyer, but I read quite a bit of legislation and the Order seems pretty unambiguous to me. It's not exactly long and complicated and difficult to understand. (Order here, the Government's explanatory notes here, for anyone with a couple of minutes to spare.) I haven't been able to find any exemptions for theatres.
This may be a case of theatres thinking "I have a great idea" and it never occurring to them that there might be a problem, similar to the way people promote their own business by pretending to be a delighted customer without ever thinking that it might be a criminal offence. |
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Post by steg on Mar 3, 2019 6:32:47 GMT
That statute isn't entirely clear, but I agree with you. They could try to argue that it means they must serve either 25ml or 35ml but not both, but I think the fact that there are two measures specified whereas only one is given for the other categories of alcohol indicates that they must be willing to serve both measures. I'm not a licensing specialist though. A premises has to pick either 25ml or 35ml as their single measure, they can't mix the two. A double then becomes either 50ml or 70ml. The two different sizes came about as measures in Scotland were traditionally larger then elsewhere in the UK. Remember that this only applies to the four specified drinks though: gin, vodka, rum, and whisky. |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 3, 2019 6:51:42 GMT
If I'm seeing a musical, generally I have to say I would choose for the cast to be better singers than actors. It's a musical, for me they have to sound good and the singing/songs are the main point of it. I want to be blown away by the voices, not how they act. Obviously if it's a play that's when you have to be s good actor for it it work.
That said I thought KMP was fine, she just played it a little under for me.
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Post by sparky5000 on Mar 3, 2019 9:23:37 GMT
I for sure think some musicals you can get away with the lead having weaker vocals but for me Waitress is not one of those shows. It needs a really strong singer to be able to navigate Jennas songs successfully. Sara’s score is pretty intricate and layered and her songs are deceptively difficult to sing. Imagine someone with weaker vocals trying to navigate WBCD, that could be painful. Or even Bad Idea! When you look at all the Jennas chosen so far on Broadway, they are all cracking singers. I think that’s maybe why they’re struggling so much now over there to bring in new Jennas. 3 years down the line theyre needing bigger names to sell the show, but there aren’t so many actors with wider appeal than just in the MT community who also have the necessary vocal chops.
As for Sheridan, I’d be really interested to know if she was ever approached or considered for the show. Of course she woulda been a big box office draw. I love her as an actress and think she’s a good stage performer and a good but not great great singer, so I do think this show vocally could be a bit too much for her.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Mar 3, 2019 10:54:04 GMT
I would have still loved to see Louise Dearman do it. No doubt she could sing it and act it also. I think Lucie will do a good job though too if she is indeed taking over.
If this lasts more than one cast change I wonder if they will consider a 'star' for Dr P?
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Post by gazzaw13 on Mar 3, 2019 12:58:36 GMT
Three actresses (all British) who would both sing and act the role of Jenna when KMP leaves:
Rebecca Trehearn
Laura Pitt-Pulford
Joanna Woodward
Joanna was pretty honest on Twitter on how much she wanted the role. Give her a shot.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Mar 3, 2019 15:10:38 GMT
I hope this show can survive on some discounted seats like Kinky Boots did during its last 20months or so. I really thought the show would be crap, but I really really enjoyed it.
Just a shame they didn't have a smaller house to possibly help it survive a bit longer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 15:27:20 GMT
I honestly can't see it doing longer than a year, which is a shame. It must cost a fair bit to run as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 17:50:54 GMT
I honestly can't see it doing longer than a year, which is a shame. It must cost a fair bit to run as well. If it could run a year then it would likely be able to go out on tour although if running costs arte high a touring version would need to be scaled back as you have to cost in all the load in, load outs overheads. Does anyone know roughly what a ballpark time for a show like this to break even would be, a lot would depend on audience sizes but if it was running at a weekly loss then I'd figure producers would cut their loses if this happened before break even. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 17:57:07 GMT
Three actresses (all British) who would both sing and act the role of Jenna when KMP leaves: Rebecca Trehearn Laura Pitt-Pulford Joanna Woodward Joanna was pretty honest on Twitter on how much she wanted the role. Give her a shot. All three would be good choices and are the right age. Joanna is likely looking for a good role as her child is about 15 months now, I've never seen her perform but if she could handle Carole King role then she must be good. Laura and Rebecca would equally merit a shot at it. |
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Post by shady23 on Mar 4, 2019 8:09:52 GMT
It's national pie week starting from today so expect even more talk of pies!
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