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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 9:44:29 GMT
So don't ask how I ended up working this out, but last night I was thinking about the last couple years of Tony's and that lead me to look at the list of shows that have won Best Musical and Best Musical Revival over the years, and then to see which shows have won these top awards but never played in the West End. Thought i'd share to jog some memories, maybe for some to discover new scores, but also to ask the question, which of these would you most like to see in some form in the future?
Note some may of played concerts, or semi staged productions, but I'm talking these shows have never had West End or Off-West End runs. Feel free to correct though, where needed. To date, only 9 shows that have won Best Musical have yet to transfer from Broadway to London.
2018 - The Band's Visit
2017 - Dear Evan Hansen
2014 - A Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder
1991 - The Will Rodgers Follies
1989 - Jerome Robbins Broadway
1985 - Big River
1974 - Raisin
1968 - Hallelujah, Baby!
1959 - Redhead
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 10:08:12 GMT
Fiorello! played at the Piccadilly Theatre in 1962 but for only 56 perfs
1776 played at the New Theatre (now Noel Coward Theatre) in 1970 but again only for 168 perfs
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 10:27:39 GMT
Fiorello! played at the Piccadilly Theatre in 1962 but for only 56 perfs 1776 played at the New Theatre (now Noel Coward Theatre) in 1970 but again only for 168 perfs Ahhh must of missed those two, thank you! Edited.  |
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 12, 2018 10:29:56 GMT
Fiorello! played at the Piccadilly Theatre in 1962 but for only 56 perfs 1776 played at the New Theatre (now Noel Coward Theatre) in 1970 but again only for 168 perfs We can now cross to our 1960s/70s correspondent for a live update. Over to you tonyloco. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 11:52:48 GMT
'The Band's Visit' and 'Dear Evan Hansen' are bound to make their way here in full size productions, I think 'Gentleman's Guide' is less likely to do that now, though, and may need to go the off West End route, I'm surprised that Big River hasn't done the same already as it'd fit a smaller stage just fine.
Of the earlier ones I think 'Raisin' is the strongest show overall but it has a play version that is done frequently and the songs don't add that much. 'Hallelujah Baby' is confusing at best, given its structure, and ran barely nine months fifty years ago, 'Redhead' managed to squeeze out a year's run sixty years ago but that was on the back of Gwen Verdon's performance, that leaves 'Will Rogers' Follies', a big spectacle about someone we've never heard of anymore. 'Jerome Robbins' Broadway' may be sellable but it needs a large cast and revues tend not to be as revivable.
n.b. the earliest three shows I know from the scripts, recordings and scores, the others from various filmings. The only 'official' filming of those is 'Will Rogers' Follies' done for Japanese television, which preserved Tommy Tune's outstanding staging.
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Post by crabtree on Jun 12, 2018 11:55:58 GMT
being a huge Kander and Ebb admirer I'd love to see full scale productions of Steel Pier again, Curtains and The Visit.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 12, 2018 13:32:11 GMT
Fiorello! played at the Piccadilly Theatre in 1962 but for only 56 perfs 1776 played at the New Theatre (now Noel Coward Theatre) in 1970 but again only for 168 perfs We can now cross to our 1960s/70s correspondent for a live update. Over to you tonyloco . Yes, I can confirm that I saw Fiorello! at the Piccadilly Theatre in 1962. I had the original Broadway cast album (on Capitol) and liked very much the Bock/Harnick score. I remember it was well performed but I guess the subject matter was of little interest to London audiences. 'Little Tin Box' was of course the musical highlight of the evening, deservedly so! Although Wiki denies the show was ever mounted in London, it starred Derek Smith, Marion Grimaldi, Nicolette Roeg, Patricia Michael and Peter Reeves according to Kurt Gänzl (Encyclopedia of the Musical Theatre). I regret I did not see 1776 in 1970 because by that time I was busy becoming London's leading variety and music hall pianist as well as keeping EMI Classics running so I rarely had any time for going to the theatre apart from to shows that I was playing for! |
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 12, 2018 13:36:11 GMT
Tony, I think I 'speak' for ALL board members. You are an absolute LEGEND!!!!
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Post by QueerTheatre on Jun 12, 2018 14:16:52 GMT
Tony, I think I ' speak' for ALL board members. You are an absolute LEGEND!!!! agreed. I love reading your posts and learning from your experience! |
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Post by harrietcraig on Jun 12, 2018 14:19:32 GMT
'Little Tin Box' was of course the musical highlight of the evening, deservedly so! Although "When Did I Fall in Love?", which Audra McDonald performs frequently, ain't a bad tune either. |
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Post by Jon on Jun 12, 2018 14:19:56 GMT
While it didn't win Best musical, Next to Normal seems to be the musical that has eluded the UK.
I could see Gentleman's Guide done at the Southwark Playhouse, Other Palace or Menier.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 15:23:28 GMT
I'd love to see Gentleman's Guide at some point!
I've always assumed Will Rodgers Follies had been here, for some reason I had heard the name of that one alot and assumed it was one of the legendary shows! 😂
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Post by 49thand8th on Jun 12, 2018 15:36:41 GMT
Why is there no West End equivalent to IBDB? It would make threads like this so much easier!
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 12, 2018 17:12:21 GMT
What about full scale productions of the following shows:
The Bridges of Madison County
Honeymoon in Vegas
AIDA
The Light in the Piazza
Tarzan
The Little Mermaid
Newsies
The Hunchback of Notre Damn
Waitress
Muriels Wedding
To name but a few
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Post by david on Jun 12, 2018 17:39:02 GMT
What about full scale productions of the following shows: The Bridges of Madison County Honeymoon in Vegas AIDA The Light in the Piazza Tarzan The Little Mermaid Newsies The Hunchback of Notre Damn Waitress Muriels Wedding To name but a few I think Muriel’s Wedding would be a great hit here. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. You can never have too much ABBA. |
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Post by learfan on Jun 12, 2018 17:41:12 GMT
Why is there no West End equivalent to IBDB? It would make threads like this so much easier! Theatricalia.com is not bad, certainly not as good as IBDB but... |
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 12, 2018 17:45:27 GMT
ovrtur.com is not bad, it covers productions from all over the world (or at least the English speaking countries), even if it's not always 100% updated.
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 12, 2018 19:30:46 GMT
Tony, I think I ' speak' for ALL board members. You are an absolute LEGEND!!!! I feel honoured and humbled that people on here enjoy my posts. It is great to have a place where I can mix with other lovers of theatre from all over the world and we can share our experiences of theatre-going – good and bad. Many thanks, friends. I am going to see 'Kiss Me, Kate' next week, so that will be my next report. I have clear memories of seeing it in Sydney in 1952 with Hayes Gordon, Joy Turpin and Maggie Fitzgibbon –– oops, there I go again! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 20:44:25 GMT
 A Theatreboard legend indeed, tony...! We have all clubed together to get you this poster. (We allmost had enough for the frame...)  We hope you lick it. |
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Post by tonyloco on Jun 12, 2018 20:55:34 GMT
Thanks, Caiaphas and the rest of the gang.
One thing I now I can always relie on on this broad is prefect grammer and speling.
TL
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Post by musicalmarge on Jun 12, 2018 22:20:26 GMT
What about full scale productions of the following shows: The Bridges of Madison County Honeymoon in Vegas AIDA The Light in the Piazza Tarzan The Little Mermaid Newsies The Hunchback of Notre Damn Waitress Muriels Wedding To name but a few YES TO ALL OF THESE!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 22:22:57 GMT
I do hope you get a full production of The Light in the Piazza. I saw the original Lincoln Center production five times, each visit simply sublime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 5:41:48 GMT
What about full scale productions of the following shows: The Bridges of Madison County Honeymoon in Vegas AIDA The Light in the Piazza Tarzan The Little Mermaid Newsies The Hunchback of Notre Damn Waitress Muriels Wedding To name but a few Interesting that half of those are Disney. They do have a bit of a stigma about them amongst the more seasoned theatre goers, but have produced some very solid shows in their time. Aida, Hunchback and Newsies I'd love to see this side of the pond. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 13, 2018 7:34:31 GMT
I do hope you get a full production of The Light in the Piazza. I saw the original Lincoln Center production five times, each visit simply sublime. When it was filmed for telly it looked great. Wasn’t it done at Leicester ? I think that is the only UK production. I do see it as a small intimate show (it really has a handful of characters and bugger all for the chorus to do) and think it would get lost in a big theatre |
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Post by Stephen on Jun 13, 2018 11:08:40 GMT
I think the Hunchback of Notre Dame would be a perfect fit for the Prince Edward.
Would love to see it come over. I really liked that production. I'm sure it would sell well?
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