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Post by gmoneyoutlaw on Mar 29, 2021 20:52:05 GMT
I don't think this show will do well in London. I saw it at ART at 325 seats and it was sensational and impactful. On Broadway with 1100 seats it was slightly rewritten and I felt lost. I went back a second time on Broadway and felt the same. The music is great and there's a hell of a punch with Mary Jane with a mindblowing drugstore song and the sofa choreography. I hope it finds a good home in London that will highlight its good qualities.
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Post by musicalmarge on Mar 30, 2021 16:38:35 GMT
I don't think this show will do well in London. I saw it at ART at 325 seats and it was sensational and impactful. On Broadway with 1100 seats it was slightly rewritten and I felt lost. I went back a second time on Broadway and felt the same. The music is great and there's a hell of a punch with Mary Jane with a mindblowing drugstore song and the sofa choreography. I hope it finds a good home in London that will highlight its good qualities. I actually laughed out loud when I saw it on Broadway last year. The performances and songs were great but the story and characters featuring 413 different woke themes just ridiculous. |
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Post by Figaro on Mar 30, 2021 17:43:48 GMT
Maybe it will go into the Arts if Six doesn’t want to go back to a smaller theatre.
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 30, 2021 18:21:07 GMT
This show is SO BAD. Woke The Musical ! Oh really?! Despite loving Alanis's music, this would be a big black mark against it, for me. |
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Mar 30, 2021 18:21:07 GMT
I 100% AGREE! Lauren Patton was the best thing about this show but I found it to be incredibly mediocre and preachy. The music of course is great but the book and direction on the other hand.... I agree, I have zero interest in this and I say this as a fan of Alanis Morrisette's music. I am absolutely fine with musicals about contemporary issues - I thought Next to Normal brilliantly covered the effects of pill addiction and grief/trauma that was never worked through, for example. DEH, for all its flaws, at least deals with questions of social anxiety, the influence of social media, etc. and I would like to see more/better shows about what it means to grow up in this toxic world. But Jagged Little Pill just sounds like it tries to cram every current "woke" issue into two hours like a box-ticking exercise. I wasn't in the mood for so much constructed woe even when it opened and I'm most certainly not in the mood for it now after a year of relentless real life lockdown drama and anxiety. To be fair. I am so confused with the story as I tried gain an understanding of the context - seems TOO MUCH, the characters all seem to merge into one and all crammed in. I do love the cast recording though. I think for me I would like to see it IN CONTEXT. But I like the way you've constructed this viewpoint. |
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Post by musicalmarge on Mar 30, 2021 21:02:08 GMT
I saw it last year. It’s all very woke and modern and features many themes of rape, adoption, race, teenage anxiety, climate change, marital issues, drug abuse, mental health and sexuality 😜 - the creators were obviously high when they said “let’s write a show and include EVERY possible social and personal issue in the world” (apart from covid!)
THAT said, the talent in the Broadway cast was exceptional, one of the songs features the entire cast performing everything backwards and some of the songs (despite being a tad “American” as a show in style and rocky for my liking) were very special.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Mar 30, 2021 22:39:37 GMT
Maybe it will go into the Arts if Six doesn’t want to go back to a smaller theatre. No way. It’s in one of the biggest Broadway theatres and even doing the usual Broadway to London downsizing we often get, the Arts theatre is way too small. They could maybe squeeze it into the Gielgud or Lyric. Hoping it doesn’t darken our doorstep ever. |
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Post by Rory on Feb 17, 2022 22:45:46 GMT
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Post by Mark on Feb 17, 2022 22:56:44 GMT
Jersey Boys booking until October so Trafalgar still looking like a good shout.
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Post by Jon on Feb 17, 2022 23:41:01 GMT
I think the Trafalgar Theatre is a safe bet given Trafalgar Entertainment are one of the producers of Jagged Little Pill.
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 17, 2022 23:44:41 GMT
I am one of the biggest Alanis fans who has ever lived. The music is obviously brilliant. This show though, is hot garbage.
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Post by h86 on Feb 18, 2022 7:27:01 GMT
I love the music, JLP was a game changer for me when it came out mid 90s, one of the best albums of all time.
But there have been terrible stories about the Broadway production, the erasure of one of the main characters as gender non conforming from original workshops to Broadway and an initial denial that this ever happened.
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Post by westendcub on Feb 18, 2022 7:53:23 GMT
Loved this show on Broadway and is a go to cast recording for me (even got on vinyl!).
Stand-out moments of the show are: Smiling (one of the most creative & memorable sequences (stage choreography) & ‘You Outta Know’ is a powerhouse (jump to your feet to applaud)!
I can’t wait for this to be part of the West-End!!
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 18, 2022 8:17:00 GMT
This is the worst show I’ve ever seen. Absolute rot.
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 18, 2022 8:22:37 GMT
I am one of the biggest Alanis fans who has ever lived. The music is obviously brilliant. This show though, is hot garbage. Same, and this is what I suspected about the show. If it really is "woke - the musical", I can't think of anything less I'd like to pay money to see. And I wonder how much it will appeal to her fanbase - most Alanis fans are total Gen X'ers, and she was one of the voices of that generation. This show sounds like it's aimed more at the offspring of that generation. |
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 18, 2022 9:18:14 GMT
Please try and remember that Adam Kenwright is now a TB member. If we're all a bit more positive, maybe he'll give us an exclusive?
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Post by jampot on Feb 18, 2022 10:08:12 GMT
Please try and remember that Adam Kenwright is now a TB member. If we're all a bit more positive, maybe he'll give us an exclusive? Personally..I cant wait to see it. |
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Post by danb on Feb 18, 2022 10:09:44 GMT
I remember seeing her at Shepherds Bush Empire just as JLP came out and she was phenomenal & ferocious but follow ups have been less engaging. It seems that people spend their formative years getting screwed over enough to write one fantastic album about it, then the rest of their lives only provide them with enough trauma to write 2 decent songs per album going forward. (Tori Amos…I look to you 😬).
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Post by Mark on Feb 18, 2022 10:47:52 GMT
I really enjoyed this in New York, and think it will do pretty well here.
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Post by viserys on Feb 18, 2022 12:06:00 GMT
most Alanis fans are total Gen X'ers, and she was one of the voices of that generation Not really... Generation X (I count myself among it) was more the 80s. We didn't have all that navel-gazing and woe-is-me stuff yet, for us it was more about sassy liberated fun - when it comes to female artists of the era, I'd say Madonna was the defining voice, plus Cyndi Lauper, Bananarama, Kim Wilde and here in Germany Nena. Basically everyone with mad hair  Jagged Little Pill came out 1995, when us X'ers were in their 20s already. At that age I appreciated the somewhat smarter rock music, especially as it was such a contrast to the then popular bubblegum pop of the Spice Girls and Britney, but I wouldn't call Alanis a voice of our generation. What is true, though, is the sentiment that those who were young in those days (including us) really don't care much for such an overblown pile of woke issues. As I said in an earlier statement, give me a show with ONE subject coherently and seriously presented and I'm here for it, but not for a box-ticking exercise. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2022 13:25:08 GMT
most Alanis fans are total Gen X'ers, and she was one of the voices of that generation Not really... Generation X (I count myself among it) was more the 80s. We didn't have all that navel-gazing and woe-is-me stuff yet, for us it was more about sassy liberated fun - when it comes to female artists of the era, I'd say Madonna was the defining voice, plus Cyndi Lauper, Bananarama, Kim Wilde and here in Germany Nena. Basically everyone with mad hair  Jagged Little Pill came out 1995, when us X'ers were in their 20s already. At that age I appreciated the somewhat smarter rock music, especially as it was such a contrast to the then popular bubblegum pop of the Spice Girls and Britney, but I wouldn't call Alanis a voice of our generation. What is true, though, is the sentiment that those who were young in those days (including us) really don't care much for such an overblown pile of woke issues. As I said in an earlier statement, give me a show with ONE subject coherently and seriously presented and I'm here for it, but not for a box-ticking exercise. JLP and Alanis were definitely a voice of Generation X, (i cannot say that without hearing the Spice Girls sing it) but i think it depends on where in that generation you are. The anger and frustrations in JLP were kind of shocking when it was released, and not really something done so openly in music before, especially by a female and that's why it did so well. The 1995 release captured young adults who had already experienced break ups, hurt, anger and frustrations, and this was the album that allowed them to vent it. I loved it.
I'm not sure what 'smarter rock music' refers too, but given that Germany gave us Nena (somebody pop those damn balloons already!) and embraced The Hoff, like no other country in the world did, i wonder how smart it really is |
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Post by mattnyc on Feb 18, 2022 15:32:55 GMT
I remember seeing her at Shepherds Bush Empire just as JLP came out and she was phenomenal & ferocious but follow ups have been less engaging. It seems that people spend their formative years getting screwed over enough to write one fantastic album about it, then the rest of their lives only provide them with enough trauma to write 2 decent songs per album going forward. (Tori Amos…I look to you 😬). I can’t disagree strongly enough. Her second album, “Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie” will always be my favorite album. As much as I appreciate and will always love her first album (and I listen to Alanis a LOT), it’s not one I regularly go back to. But I find “Flavors of Entanglement”, “Feast On Scraps”, “Under Rug Swept” to be better, as well. |
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Post by danb on Feb 18, 2022 16:00:31 GMT
I bought the next two, but like I said only a couple off of each hit home. But we all like different things, and I guess that the zeitgeist wasn’t behind the follow ups as much. (But ‘Feast on Scraps’ is one of them 😬).
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Post by viserys on Feb 18, 2022 16:17:28 GMT
I'm not sure what 'smarter rock music' refers too, but given that Germany gave us Nena (somebody pop those damn balloons already!) and embraced The Hoff, like no other country in the world did, i wonder how smart it really is LOL, no, bit of a misunderstanding there! As a (young) teen in the first half of the 80s, I loved the silly pop of that period, such as early Madonna. So you may be right that I'm at the older end of Gen X When the 90s came (and Alanis), I was older, more mature and THEN appreciated her kind of smarter rock, while I didn't like the silly pop of that period such as the Spice Girls and Britney. That said... in referencing Nena's 99 Red Balloons you are doing her a disservice, it was an anti-war song from a period where Germany was basically at the front of the cold war with US missiles stationed in West Germany and Soviet missiles in East Germany and the song was about that and how quickly a war could escalate. Though I agree that most of the rest of her songs were crap and these days she's only known as an idiotic antivaxxer anyway. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 18, 2022 17:38:49 GMT
Please try and remember that Adam Kenwright is now a TB member. If we're all a bit more positive, maybe he'll give us an exclusive? Who cares! The show is terrible. |
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