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Post by TallPaul on Feb 20, 2018 13:31:09 GMT
I always find Carey Mulligan looks as though she's permanently perplexed. Doesn't give you much faith in her skills as a detective. Worked for Columbo. He always got his man/woman. |
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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 20, 2018 17:29:10 GMT
Worked for Columbo. He always got his man/woman. Well, to be fair, you can turn on the telly at any point during a 2 hour Columbo and know whodunnit within 0.01 of a nano-second. Is the actor you're all talking about the one who played the MI5 bloke? I've never seen him before, but he proper scared me! Great face. I'm not that keen on John Simm - I saw similar nuances to the awful character he played in Trauma. There are several better acting performances in this. |
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Post by peggs on Feb 20, 2018 18:23:36 GMT
Yes That's the one. I thought about john simms' character oh he's a politician so they've given him glasses, it's not a profound thought I grant you. I am enjoying this though there better be some payoff for all the pole vault defences, tramua made me want to throw my laptop out the window.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 18:26:00 GMT
Well, to be fair, you can turn on the telly at any point during a 2 hour Columbo and know whodunnit within 0.01 of a nano-second. The premise of Columbo is deliberately inverted from other detective series; the audience are shown the crime being committed at the beginning of the programme - therefore it is never a case of trying to work out whodunnit, rather how Columbo is going to uncover that truth. |
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Post by crowblack on Feb 20, 2018 18:29:35 GMT
It's not a mystery series, though - they always show the murder at the start! |
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Post by crowblack on Feb 20, 2018 18:31:02 GMT
how Columbo is going to uncover that truth Yes - he's based on the eccentric Porfiry in Crime and Punishment. I think the very first episode directly refers to it. (More John Simm in the BBC's version, btw, worth watching if you haven't - and one of Ian McDiarmid's rare TV appearances as Porfiry.) |
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Post by lynette on Feb 20, 2018 19:02:26 GMT
Is it me or is this becoming a bit preachy? I mean that soldier could have floored that bloke in an instant and he would never dare say a word. Would he? I mean she has on him as much as he might have on her. Or am I just naive? Enlighten me. And the pole jumping thing had better have a payoff. I’m expecting a leap across Tower Bridge at the very least.
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Post by peggs on Feb 20, 2018 20:07:38 GMT
Is it me or is this becoming a bit preachy? I mean that soldier could have floored that bloke in an instant and he would never dare say a word. Would he? I mean she has on him as much as he might have on her. Or am I just naive? Enlighten me. And the pole jumping thing had better have a payoff. I’m expecting a leap across Tower Bridge at the very least. I assumed the implication was his rank would protect him as the army would close rank? But yes i'm sorry unless she'd won the Olympics and then her pole had snapped whilst doing a demo over the thames which random person would recognise her? Lynette I do like your suggestion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 21:00:39 GMT
It's all very contrived, isn't it? And there are so many fabulous actors that none of them gets much screen time at all really.
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Post by Jan on Feb 21, 2018 9:15:41 GMT
Not watching this but interested to see Sir David Hare accused of misogyny for including graphic scenes of violence against women and a shower-based scene of gratuitous female nudity. Anyone feel that ? Reminds me of a character in a novel (I forget which) who's a screen writer who says "When I want to see a naked actress I just write it into the script".
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Post by crowblack on Feb 21, 2018 10:16:30 GMT
Sir David Hare accused of misogyny for including graphic scenes of violence against women and a shower-based scene of gratuitous female nudity. Anyone feel that ? Actually, no - and I'm generally one who kicks off about that (I detested the new Blade Runner for it, switch off any crime dramas that start with a pretty woman being brutally killed, and it put me off Game of Thrones for ages, until the cast and bigger dragons tempted me back). The shower scene didn't seem very sexualised, and neither was the rape. The director is actually a woman, though I didn't realise this because she uses gender-neutral initials rather than her full name. |
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Post by Jan on Feb 21, 2018 10:20:55 GMT
Sir David Hare accused of misogyny for including graphic scenes of violence against women and a shower-based scene of gratuitous female nudity. Anyone feel that ? Actually, no - and I'm generally one who kicks off about that (I detested the new Blade Runner for it ..... Interestingly I detested the original Blade Runner for it too but I was in a minority of one at the time. |
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Post by peggs on Feb 21, 2018 11:51:55 GMT
Would agree with crowblack, had to think a while to even remember the shower scene so clearly didn't bother me. I'd say they were both less is more types of filming.
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Post by crowblack on Feb 21, 2018 11:52:39 GMT
detested the original Blade Runner for it too Objectified (and more often than not, naked) women was part-and-parcel of almost all SF back then, sadly - but I was very surprised that it was still there in 2017. Women had much stronger roles in mid 20thc noir than in the 21st! |
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Post by lynette on Feb 21, 2018 17:44:51 GMT
He set up the shower scene with the description of the friend's bits blasted all over and into her hair etc. Very graphic I thought and possibly didn’t need the little flash back to the actual event. I don’t think you can accuse Hare of Mysogyny, that just ignores his whole oeuvre and him as a person.
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Post by bordeaux on Feb 25, 2018 10:41:36 GMT
Not watching this but interested to see Sir David Hare accused of misogyny for including graphic scenes of violence against women and a shower-based scene of gratuitous female nudity. Anyone feel that ? Reminds me of a character in a novel (I forget which) who's a screen writer who says "When I want to see a naked actress I just write it into the script". Accused by whom, I wonder? The sort of people who are every week condemning misogyny, two seconds of female nudity and violence against women on screen or people who only do it when a left-wing playwright is involved? The accusation doesn't stand up - showing violence against women is not misogyny - and given the amount of such violence in the endless TV police dramas no one could accuse Hare of being a major offender. The accusation reminds me of something Michael Foot said to Jeremy Thorpe (quoting something someone said about Byron): they pretend to hate your morals but they really hate your politics. I watched the first two episodes on catch-up last night and was very impressed (and a little surprised - I thought his last TV outing, the trio with Bill Nighy, was over-praised). It is complex and twisty but he always seems in control of the material: it really works as gripping story-telling. Amazing cast too. |
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Post by crowblack on Feb 25, 2018 20:50:54 GMT
Actor playing the dodgy army officer in Collateral has just turned up as a dodgy army officer in Endeavour...
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Post by peggs on Feb 26, 2018 22:06:44 GMT
Was that it? The pole vaulting pay off?
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Post by wiggymess on Feb 27, 2018 16:21:57 GMT
Ugh.
So glad there's only 1 episode remaining of this. Ep 1 I really enjoyed and recommended to everyone. Ep 2 grated on me quite a bit (it's totally fine that 2 of the "bad guy goons" were sat in their car right outside the crime scene with police walking right past them.
But ep3 was laughably bad imo. Awful, jarring exposition throughout.
The scene between the bloke vicar and the woman vicar in particular.
I live with a man.
I know you do.
I know you know.
And after all the interesting talk on here about whether it was gratuitous nudity on a previous episode and whether it could be justified etc, this week ... really?? Completely undermines the themes of that plotline surely.
Ugh.
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Post by Tibidabo on Feb 27, 2018 16:26:47 GMT
Was that it? The pole vaulting pay off? ...and right there on her phone when she needed it. Wish I could find what I'm looking for that quickly. Ugh. So glad there's only 1 episode remaining of this. Ep 1 I really enjoyed and recommended to everyone. Ep 2 grated on me quite a bit (it's totally fine that 2 of the "bad guy goons" were sat in their car right outside the crime scene with police walking right past them. But ep3 was laughably bad imo. Awful, jarring exposition throughout.Agree. It's awful. Does Billie Piper know how to do anything with her hands other than point a finger in someone's face? I cannot believe the ridiculous reason for the original killing. The whole thing's just daft now. |
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Post by crowblack on Mar 5, 2018 21:50:55 GMT
10 mins to go - will they bond over the pole vaulting incident?
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Post by crowblack on Mar 5, 2018 21:55:29 GMT
Well, zero marks for technique there.
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Post by Tibidabo on Mar 5, 2018 22:11:00 GMT
Eh? What was all that about? After such a good first episode that was a complete load of nonsensical horse's excrement.
Who was the bloke Carey Mulligan went and spoke to briefly who complained she'd woken him up? Had we seen him before?
What did nasty rapist bloke have over Sandrine? Did they ever tell us?
What was the point of John Simm or Billy Piper? Or even Nicola Walker (despite the fact I think she's fab.)
Ach. Can't be bothered to even think any more about it.
ETA (even though I 'm not thinking about it any more.....) The jury's still out re Carey. I still wish it had been Keeley.
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Post by peggs on Mar 5, 2018 22:22:37 GMT
I assumed maybe it was her fella?
She had a second phone and she'd called the smuggler dude so think it was that
you have a point re those characters
It did rather steadily descend didn't it but had rather accepted that by episode 2.
am sure the police would have gone round and told Deborah Findlay rather than ringing her up wouldn't they?
I too was holding out for some pole vaulting involving last moment that never came. sigh.
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Post by Tibidabo on Mar 5, 2018 22:36:11 GMT
I assumed maybe it was her fella? I don't think so because she suggested he get back to his woman "or man" upstairs before she left! Never mind - I'm just glad it wasn't only me who couldn't keep up! |
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