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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:22:43 GMT
Not all the characters in the play behave in a “promiscuous and perverted manner”. But what’s notable about that scene is that many of the gay men who died in the early years of the AIDS epidemic may have been in what they thought were monogamous relationships - and indeed they may have been monogamous, where one of the partners brought their HIV status from a previous relationship. The significance of the scene at the end of Part One is how many men died without even knowing what had caused their death. They didn’t die because they were “promiscuous and perverted”. I was actually referring to the wider context of their behaviour Taking drugs Lying Thinking nothing about freeloading off others Cheating Panicking because their free accommodation was coming to an end People don’t like their behaviour being questioned But they also don’t like the consequences of it either I felt the play was unbalanced in terms of who it was presenting And I felt very alienated watching it At the time I saw it which was almost a year now I felt it was like a gay SATC Unrealistic and irritating |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:29:09 GMT
There is lots to cry about in this world A play about self indulgent and self entitled characters Behaving in a promiscuous and perverted manner Is NOT one of them Parsley I find this post, rude, vile, judgemental and offensive. I have duly reported it. Perhaps it's time for another one of your frequent absences. I am sure the board can manage without you for a while. If not i am willing to step in and post on virtually every thread that the show in question was rubbish and that i left at the interval I apologise if you are offended That was not my intention I have posted my frustrations with the play above At the time I saw it I was hoping to love it And whilst there are some passages of writing I loved I could not take to the one sided characters and felt constantly frustrated at their bad decisions And then not liking the results |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jan 19, 2019 20:32:26 GMT
Can somebody please remind me how to report a message or set of messages please? I mean everybody is entitled to their opinions but to describe characters in a play about homosexual men and HIV as ‘perverted’ to me needs picking up on and reporting, and I would encourage others who feel the same way to do the same. Plus I also object to the swearing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:39:40 GMT
Can somebody please remind me how to report a message or set of messages please? I mean everybody is entitled to their opinions but to describe characters in a play about homosexual men and HIV as ‘perverted’ to me needs picking up on and reporting, and I would encourage others who feel the same way to do the same. Plus I also object to the swearing. Hit the button that looks like gear, the report function is in there (on mobile, not sure where on desktop.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:42:08 GMT
I think worked out why Parsley posts the way they do. Only noticed it when they didn’t double space. They don’t know where the full stop is on their phone.
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Post by missthelma on Jan 19, 2019 20:47:52 GMT
Art whether it's music drama or painting is meant to provoke feelings and i'm sorry you don't get to come on a thread and disparage other peoples feelings because yours were not the same. You didn't like it? Well big whoop, other people did. It speaks of a bizarre constitution to have to come and spit on peoples genuine feelings about something simply because they oppose yours. As I posted in the A&C thread the other day I hated it but I wont be stalking the thread to tell other people how wrong they are for liking or loving it. I'm delighted if they do, it's the rich tapestry of life and it's called an opinion, it doesn't make it right.
I remain offended at your characterisation of the gay lives presented as 'perverted'. I remember, happy couples presented, a long term relationship shown over years, a less established but still lengthy one breaking up. I remember a hustler telling a story of possible rape and I recall wild behaviour on a weekend at Fire Island. None of this is perverted. Promiscious is a judgement call. It's not one I make or feel the need to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:49:46 GMT
I’ve reported the post above, and encourage others to do the same.
And proof positive that we still need plays about LGBTQ people, and plays about the AIDS crisis. Because vile comments like the above are still made.
I sincerely hope that the mods take these reports seriously. Calling those who were victims of AIDS “perverted” never mind the associated homophobic connotations of that remark is abhorrent. No matter how he tries to dig out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:57:26 GMT
Can somebody please remind me how to report a message or set of messages please? I mean everybody is entitled to their opinions but to describe characters in a play about homosexual men and HIV as ‘perverted’ to me needs picking up on and reporting, and I would encourage others who feel the same way to do the same. Plus I also object to the swearing. It was the promiscuity and drugs I was referring to And their emotional neediness These are behaviours which people have regardless of sexuality and HIV status A promiscuous person can be gay or straight And may or may not have HIV They are not all mutually inclusive Please don’t just make assumptions And the way in which it presented was a given all gay people behave like this And that there is no other alternative I found this play in fact perpetuates and exacerbates gay stereotypes Nowhere have I made a negative reference to HIV or Gay people What about the gay people who saw this play and failed to identify or relate to a single aspect of it? Why were they not represented amongst the many characters?? |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jan 19, 2019 20:59:17 GMT
I would also appreciate the mods telling us what the decision is and the reasons for doing it either way please.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jan 19, 2019 21:01:24 GMT
You can keep digging and backtracking, parsley. You used the word perverted. And I don’t want a simple apology if you didn’t mean to use that word. I want action taken to make sure comments like that don’t go unnoticed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:05:48 GMT
I’ve reported the post above, and encourage others to do the same. And proof positive that we still need plays about LGBTQ people, and plays about the AIDS crisis. Because vile comments like the above are still made. I sincerely hope that the mods take these reports seriously. Calling those who were victims of AIDS “perverted” never mind the associated homophobic connotations of that remark is abhorrent. No matter how he tries to dig out of it. Don’t think I have said in any post Anyone is perverted because they are a victim of HIV Not all the characters were HIV +ve This is some assumption you have jumped to It was the overall way in which themes and behaviours were unilaterally glamorised that I found annoying And if challenging this behaviour means you get jumped on like this Then it explains a lot about the current world we live in |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:06:26 GMT
You can keep digging and backtracking, parsley. You used the word perverted. And I don’t want a simple apology if you didn’t mean to use that word. I want action taken to make sure comments like that don’t go unnoticed. God fine I will leave the board I hope you are happy |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jan 19, 2019 21:07:55 GMT
You can keep digging and backtracking, parsley. You used the word perverted. And I don’t want a simple apology if you didn’t mean to use that word. I want action taken to make sure comments like that don’t go unnoticed. God fine I will leave the board I hope you are happy That’s completely your call People simply expressed their opinions and you didn’t like that i guess that’s what medicine tastes like. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:15:28 GMT
I don’t know what the rules are for banning people from the board. I would very much hope that Parsley leaving the board of their own volition doesn’t mean they dodge a ban.
It saddens me that the thread about this play devolved into this, especially at the end of its run. Let’s make sure the swan song of this thread is not predjudice and homophobia.
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Post by Dr Tom on Jan 19, 2019 23:27:45 GMT
Very glad that this excellent and moving play sold so well towards the end of its run.
I'm sure it will be very successful in New York.
Was anyone able to get a ticket for part 2? Keen to hear how closing night went.
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Post by jamb0r on Jan 20, 2019 0:16:13 GMT
Was lucky enough to get tickets for both parts today. The queue for returns for part 2 was going right around the building, and I felt a bit guilty walking past them and going in for my 7th visit (the guilt passed within around 2 seconds!)
Performances were all excellent as usual, and the cast were noticeably emotional towards the end, Samuel Levine especially - he was in bits for the last few minutes. During the bows the cast were given flowers, but they were the kind that are full of water, meaning they were being spilled all over the place when they were bowing and walking off and on causing the stage to turn into an ice skating rink - Vanessa looked terrified bless her! Matthew Lopez (and the other two child actors) joined the cast for more bows, and the standing ovation went on for what felt like forever. House lights had to be turned off again after a while because it didn’t stop.
Am so glad I had the chance to see this masterpiece as many times as I did. Being a gay man in my mid 30s living in Central London I could see myself and my friends all portrayed through these characters, and a lot of the experiences directly mirrored that of my own. For example - Adam’s summer with Toby and Eric was pretty much exactly how my polyamorous relationship started. I’ve skipped over a lot of the above posts, but I will say that no matter how far fetched some of the play feels, a lot of city dwelling gay men do have the experiences that are portrayed here.
I can’t wait for this to transfer to Broadway already, I need another excuse to get out there!
Just out of interest, has anyone seen any understudies apart from for Vanessa Redgrave in this? In total across both parts I had 12 visits and didn’t see a single one
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 10:23:50 GMT
When I saw this two weeks ago I spent most of it transfixed, barely blinking for fear of missing a second. It is a piece that spoke to so many people on many levels, and deserves to be seen again in London in the near future. Unfortunately I know a large number of people who became aware of it far too late to enjoy it in the theatre, I can see there being a great potential for a return at the Young Vic sometime soon.
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Post by lolli on Jan 20, 2019 12:28:37 GMT
Truly a landmark. That ending of Part One is a theatrical coup like no other, and is so viscerally moving. As are so many other moments. Will be spoken about at dinner tables in 30 years time. Wonder what’s next for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 13:02:32 GMT
To distract from the unpleasantness of last night, I'm so thrilled so many more people found this play towards the end of the run. I didn't have the need (or more accurately the time!) to revisit a second time, but it's been wonderful hearing how moved people have been, and how it's resonated with them.
Now, who wants to start the fight for John Benjamin Hickey's cardigan now the run is over...
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Post by n1david on Jan 20, 2019 15:29:36 GMT
I just want to add that this was a significant and wonderful theatrical event for me. I saw it twice, once at the Young Vic and once on transfer, and I wish I’d had the opportunity to see it again. I’m lucky enough to see a lot of theatre, and sometimes I look back on lists of what I saw a few years ago - or even last year - and I struggle to remember a show (but maybe that’s down to age). But there was something special about The Inheritance, in the way it ranged over such a long period, touching on contemporary gay issues like adoption and marriage, the desperation of the AIDS crisis, and the tyranny of the closet, and how those generational issues reflect on each other; which in turn has a resonance beyond the gay community in considering what responsibilities we living today have to honouring the past and respecting the future.
I thought it was a remarkable work and I feel privileged to have seen it.
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Post by sf on Jan 20, 2019 16:51:31 GMT
I just want to add that this was a significant and wonderful theatrical event for me. I saw it twice, once at the Young Vic and once on transfer, and I wish I’d had the opportunity to see it again. I’m lucky enough to see a lot of theatre, and sometimes I look back on lists of what I saw a few years ago - or even last year - and I struggle to remember a show (but maybe that’s down to age). But there was something special about The Inheritance, in the way it ranged over such a long period, touching on contemporary gay issues like adoption and marriage, the desperation of the AIDS crisis, and the tyranny of the closet, and how those generational issues reflect on each other; which in turn has a resonance beyond the gay community in considering what responsibilities we living today have to honouring the past and respecting the future. I thought it was a remarkable work and I feel privileged to have seen it.
So do I. I wish I could have seen it more than once, and if I lived closer to London I would have, but I couldn't justify a second overnight stay for it and Part 2 finished just late enough to make getting to the last train home on a Wednesday night (11pm) a big gamble. I had a few bones to pick with the writing, but that doesn't mean I didn't think it was a work of remarkable, unusual brilliance. And the production and performances were flawless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:27:31 GMT
I would very much hope that Parsley leaving the board of their own volition doesn’t mean they dodge a ban. We remember posters' punishments, and if someone returns and misbehaves we restore their old levels of warning points along with any new ones that are warranted. Leaving and rejoining achieves nothing but resetting the post count to zero. It's an entirely empty gesture, so I don't know why people do it. |
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Post by yokollama on Jan 20, 2019 19:46:08 GMT
This was a special piece, indeed.
They were swift to take down the set last night and never in my life have I been so excited to catch glimpses of two trees.
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Post by andrew on Jan 20, 2019 22:54:20 GMT
I really hope it comes back after its run on Broadway (which I don't think is 100% confirmed in terms of theatre, etc) but I don't know how likely this is.
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